Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

Halfway through. This should take us to the bittersweet end.

SOILER

BOB is a cylon

That you can only see if you're high on the drugs.

What are you talking about, there are no drugs in this season, just a couple of alcoholics

Few can see him: the gifted... and the daaaaamn dude how much did you take?

wow you guys are hilarious remind me to never write a post in 1 minute without thinking it through before a bunch of know it alls jump down my throat

fuck me for writing a few sentences about a tv show at lunch time and not being consistent. what a horrible, stupid person i am

Time for a new thread guys

We did our best.

nobody called you horrible or stupid Adam, ppl are just goofin

anyway this show is awesome

really wish there were some animated gifs from ep 8 that I could use as a screensaver or something

I made this thread to get off that subject!

I love how much Briggs there was in the last episode. You can feel how much both lynch and frost really love the character. Charlotte Stewart, although she had v little to do in the original series, is part of Lynch's Eraserhead family along with the much-missed nance & coulson, and I remember Dana ashbrook saying in interviews that he always looked upon Stewart and Davis as surrogate parents; this all comes through v strongly in the chair scene. It's also interesting to think that the Briggses are very devout Catholics (this is emphasised again in the missing pieces although it's played somewhat for laughs which is a slight return to the s1 characterisation of garland as the pompous, oblivious parent) - their faith feels key to understanding garland's message, given just before he "died", and Betty's just accepting what she had to have known was a farewell & subsequently keeping the secret till the right time.

huh I must've missed/forgotten the Catholic stuff

I only know the denomination because the frost book makes a big point of it but their Christianity was in the first season & in the missing pieces he's reading aloud to Betty from the book of revelations at the dinner table(!)

I didn't realize until embarrassingly recently that that was Charlotte Stewart in Eraserhead (which I've seen at least as many times as I've seen any of the Twin Peaks episodes she was in).

he reads from the book of revelation. that's all i remember regarding him and religiosity.

xp. are we considering the frost book as canon? i wouldn't personally

I think of Frost's book as another facet of the TP jewel. Its perspective (not to mention some of the pertinent details) doesn't quite jibe with that of the show but it's an intersting alternate take.

Which is basically Lynch's stated perspective on it, as well, iirc.

Lynch and frost are both like "canon schmanon" which is kinda my attitude too but I think we can get an idea of his conception of the character from the book

In general tho I feel like the log lady introductions and palmer family interview are more relevant than the book even though they can't logically exist in the world of the show

thanks to the allure of the ridiculous amazon prime day, I have given in and will be reading the Secret History book this weekend

what have you people done to me

I think of Frost's book as another facet of the TP jewel. Its perspective (not to mention some of the pertinent details) doesn't quite jibe with that of the show but it's an intersting alternate take.

Yeah this basically. All the books are like different approaches to the same story. Even with fwwm I remember reading that lynch told a member of the crew re discontinuity (hairstyles, locations, weather, you name it) "think of it as a parallel universe"

I'd just got used to where the tp link was in my list of bookmarks, damn it!

important erratum: in the previous thread where we were discussing that Crossroads film which seems like an important influence on the nuke sequence in episode 8, i said that the Terry Riley album that was very similar to his score to Crossroads was Persian Surgery Dervishes, but it's not, I meant to say Descending Moonshine Dervishes. I don't even own Persian Surgery Dervishes. As you were!

sorry mr. lynch pic.twitter.com/ZICATyxBwP

— Chris Person (@Papapishu) July 12, 2017

Showtime says the show is averaging around 2 million viewers across all platforms.
http://www.indiewire.com/2017/07/twin-peaks-ratings-2017-season-4-game-of-thrones-1201853930/

is that good or bad

I think that's very good in terms of the viewership of today.

I'm picturing Gordon yelling, "These are some good numbers, Tammy!"

it's not bad from what I know, but I also could not give less of a shit either way, can't imagine there'll be more episodes after this in any case

don't really see this as competition with GoT which I would think has a totally different (and stupider) audience

just gettin some ad homs in for laffs there

I'm picturing Gordon yelling, "These are some good numbers, Tammy!"

― mh, Thursday, July 13, 2017 6:47 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

haha

Seems like Showtime is genuinely pleased, so good enough.

I mean on the off chance they greenlight On the Air: The Return.

oh yeah game of thrones that reminds me

sky atlantic is gonna simulcast it which means they're not gonna simulcast twin peaks any more, it's gonna be on at 3am instead of 2am :-(

(still gonna watch it then obv)

I'm on the hook for a GoT viewing at my neighbors' sunday night which means I have to ask my Twin Peaks team to postpone to Monday night

I do not prefer this, needless to say

I did not realize GoT was going to be airing at the same time as TP. That seems unnecessarily prickish of HBO.

Andy and Lucy are really reminiscent of something about the French clowning tradition. On the Air had a lot of the same feel to it, too. Can't put my finger on it--the way they're "funny" instead of actually being funny.

shrug, nobody watches tp live anyway as documented above so whatever

xp

Was struck by how much they are literally clowns. Andy's paunch is part of the costume, but if you slapped the make up on them you wouldn't have to change their behavior one bit. xpost

why would Showtime's competition be concerned anyway? GoT is a juggernaut, i doubt HBO's much concerned about what else happens to be airing at the time.

xpsss

I did not realize GoT was going to be airing at the same time as TP. That seems unnecessarily prickish of HBO.

pretty sure they're airing it at the same time as the last 6 seasons.

my plan is to watch GoT and then TP, in that order, on sunday nights. it's really hard to do the other way around.

What shows before TP Sundays on Showtime?

the previous week's tp, by the look of it

also looks like they're changing the time - starting in august it'll be on an hour earlier. 8pm there, 1am here

TP is the first show in ages that I've made the effort to watch as its airing.

http://nerdist.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Johnny2.jpg

kinda haunted by this shot. happened so quickly i barely noticed the photo.

oops

http://nerdist.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Johnny2.jpg

Andy and Lucy are really reminiscent of something about the French clowning tradition. On the Air had a lot of the same feel to it, too. Can't put my finger on it--the way they're "funny" instead of actually being funny.

― Dan I., Thursday, July 13, 2017 8:15 PM (fourteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Was struck by how much they are literally clowns. Andy's paunch is part of the costume, but if you slapped the make up on them you wouldn't have to change their behavior one bit. xpost

― Dan I., Thursday, July 13, 2017 8:16 PM (thirteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This is a great observation. I was trying to think of what was so weird and creepy about goaz's performance here, I think you nailed it. I normally love the a&l scenes in the return but where I think it loses something in this mode is when they go for tenderness. the way he like air-nuzzles her gives me the willies

that short has definitely not lost its power.

I watched s3e8 and a bunch of his shorts the other night. I had not seen these since about 14-15 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnYJ6gjZOCc&list=PLAqDCLWD9bNNz6gluJN583d_gbCXIjB4A&index=11&t=0s

aah well i was trying to post the playlist but here's the short i was hoping to embed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnYJ6gjZOCc

back to alleged thread topic

wtf Cockney green-gloved YouTube star

I have a theory about him that I will save until you get through the rest of the series, but yeah, he is a whole lot of wtf.

Green glove was originally going to be worn by Jack Nance, but he up and died.

oh man :( that would have been perfect.

I dunno, it’s so goofily discordant for me that I think I prefer it on this complete sore-thumb character. Though obv we’ve no idea what 2017’s Pete would be like.

had no idea Gordon Cole's name was a Sunset Blvd ref

omg you're so close

surprised that one went past Morbz tbh

I don't think he's even a character that appears onscreen in SB, fer chrissake.

brb gonna stick a fork in the socket

Viewing complete.

Final two eps had two of the worst moments of the series, ie (17) fucking Freddy punching BOB's volleyball and (18) the ludicrous Diane-Cooper sex scene.

I did like the resolution, which I interpret as... get ready...

You can't save anybody.

The scene where they are sitting in the car not saying anything for like 10 minutes is the one that broke me

My theory about Freddie and his glove is that it is Lynch's take on Marvel-style superhero films

freddie the glove is heroism as bathos

That immensely long YouTube piece arguing for the true nature of Twin Peaks as an exegesis of television itself is quite illuminating on those plot elements. I found it pretty convincing overall.

gotta light link?

lol

Maybe that's DoppelDiane instead of Real Diane.
― Cannibal Adderley (WilliamC), Monday, July 17, 2017 9:27 AM

Kudos!

Also to Simon's podcast partner who called Diane as Naido.

I enjoyed the series very much.

And is the case with almost all of Lynch works, 10-20% of it was shit.

btw when Cooper showed up at Carrie Page's door, she was speaking and acting very much like Kim Novak's Judy (her second incarnation) in her early scenes in Vertigo. I suspect that was conscious.

What did you make of Audrey by the end of her appearances, Morbs?

xxxp it’s at https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7AYnF5hOhuM

Be warned it’s 4.5 hours but I suppose many folks have time on their hands. I watched it at 1.5 speed over a few days. It’s a little self-satisfied but I was persuaded by a lot of it.

jesus fuck

why is it so long

what I made of it, sic, is Lynch being cruel to the fans. Audrey is probably institutionalized.

I guess I was right! though I don't give a shit about anything that wasn't on the teevee.

https://www.indiewire.com/2017/10/twin-peaks-audrey-horne-truth-revealed-spoilers-1201892814/

yeah I don’t care about anything in Frost’s books (Jennifer Lynch’s Secret Diary Of Laura Palmer is proper Twin Peaks though)

(and Frost should always be part of TV Peaks)

I agree, but the "explanatory" video has no truck with anything off-screen. I have no idea why it needs to be *quite* that long, but the presenter is anxious to demonstrate that every single thing in S1, S2 up to the reveal and final 2 eps, FWWM, Missing Pieces and S3 can be understood in that framework. I guess it's 40ish hours of material to cover. I was impressed, anyway.

i am intrigued, but i'll have to get over my natural distrust of a person who posted a 4.5 hour video on youtube

shoulda done about 20,000 posts instead

I have similar distrust of "what's up YouTube" narcissists but the ideas are worth sticking around for

Also to Simon's podcast partner who called Diane as Naido.

Thanks for listening :)

before the return came out i watched a 4+ hour video essay about peaks. lost in the movies' journey through twin peaks iirc? it was remarkable, and i think i was linked to it from here

guy who opens the TWIN PEAKS EXPLAINED video shouting "SPOILER ALERT" is a major dealbreaker

yeah no one can really rival Bocko's Peaks scholarship

I watched the first 15 minutes or so of that YouTube explainer video and I just could not stand the terrible Lynch impression the guy insists on slipping into every time he reads a quote.

BTW, The Lodgers was the best Twin Peaks podcast by far, y'all should team up again some time.

Bocko is good

Guy who made TWIN PEAKS EXPLAINED taking four hours to explain that one very very very very obvious lens through which to view twin peaks is the only one is, I’m guessing here, bad

y'all should team up again some time

We're thinking about it :)

do the works of Tati! :D

Felt good that I wasn’t alone upon my rewatch of the original run in thinking that Dick Tremayne is Wally Brando’s father.

The return of Dick Tremayne is definitely the ace up the sleeve for s4

Just know Ian Buchanan would be up for it. Me too; call me Chris Kraus, cause I love Dick

Look, I know he was the only character from the original series to get his own spin-off film, but I still feel like we haven't seen enough of Little Nicky.

Just know Ian Buchanan would be up for it. Me too; call me Chris Kraus, cause I love Dick

well formed joke, thank you

You should license that one out to Megan.

I've thought about Run Silent Run Drapes every morning for years now (the blinds in my living room are really loud)

https://www.blindhushers.com/
i feel she'd approve