Let us Anticipate "Call Me By Your Name"

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Luca Guadagnino adapts James Ivory's script of André Caiman's overripe little novel about a 17-year-old boy of Italo-American descent who strikes up a flirtation and eventual affair with the 24-year-old translator staying with his parents. Timothée Chalet plays the young man, Armie Hammer the translator. For anyone who's read the novel, The Peach Scene apparently made it into the film. Lots of buzz.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 29 September 2017 14:03 (four months ago) Permalink

seeing Wednesday. Please God, let there be no voiceover... drama queen internal monologue, even at 17, is just tolerable on the page.

Do I dare to eat a peach? yuck

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 29 September 2017 14:33 (four months ago) Permalink

I'm watching it Thursday.

What'd you think of the novel? Once I accepted the novel's monomania I loosened up, and the last 80 pages are moving.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 29 September 2017 14:38 (four months ago) Permalink

Anticipate's a strong word.

Anne of the Thousand Gays (Eric H.), Friday, 29 September 2017 14:42 (four months ago) Permalink

I don't usually get a seat on the subway, so I have 40 pages yet to go.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 29 September 2017 14:43 (four months ago) Permalink

Having found Guadagnino's last two features of interest but ultimately annoying, I'm glad to see other people in that camp like this one.

btw Alfred it's Chalamet no matter how much you want him in your chalet.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 29 September 2017 14:49 (four months ago) Permalink

link i'm inclined not to click on

Armie Hammer on gay romance Call Me By Your Name: ‘There were fetishes I didn’t understand’

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 29 September 2017 14:50 (four months ago) Permalink

btw Alfred it's Chalamet no matter how much you want him in your chalet.

― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius),

it's autocorrect

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 29 September 2017 14:57 (four months ago) Permalink

fortunately the computer didn't turn it into "autocock"

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 29 September 2017 14:58 (four months ago) Permalink

armie hammer has always seemed to me like there's a lot of things he doesn't understand tbf

Mr. Eulon Mask, urging the UN to ban the "homicide robot" (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 29 September 2017 14:59 (four months ago) Permalink

I've seen A.H. in no films besides The Social Network, because look at that filmography.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 29 September 2017 15:02 (four months ago) Permalink

armie hammer has always seemed to me like there's a lot of things he doesn't understand tbf

― Mr. Eulon Mask, urging the UN to ban the "homicide robot" (bizarro gazzara)

He's ideally cast as an aloof guy of modest blond looks idealized beyond comprehension and modest intelligence.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 29 September 2017 15:03 (four months ago) Permalink

Saw it on Tuesday. There's a lot of great things about it, but I never really felt, umm, invested in the two's attraction/relationship as much as I wanted to so the whole thing kinda fell apart for me (like, I found the parts about Jewish identity more compelling than the more-discussed queer relationship, if I could disentangle the two for a second). Fortunately, the age difference (which really manifests itself in how Chalamet looks like he's 14 and Hammer is...well, he's not 24) became less of an issue as the movie progressed.

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Friday, 29 September 2017 16:14 (four months ago) Permalink

What are some great things?

The Jewishness was mentioned in the novel but not lingered over.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 29 September 2017 16:28 (four months ago) Permalink

The performances in of themselves, some of the directorial choices, also not much of a spoiler since many of the reviews already mention it but Michael Stuhlbarg has a closing monologue that I found quite moving, all the more considering my aforementioned indifference to the central relationship.

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Friday, 29 September 2017 16:33 (four months ago) Permalink

I should have prefaced all this with how I haven't read the novel, but I'm definitely interested in doing so now.

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Friday, 29 September 2017 16:34 (four months ago) Permalink

I probably would've if they'd just called it Peach.

Anne of the Thousand Gays (Eric H.), Friday, 29 September 2017 16:35 (four months ago) Permalink

I think I let out an almost-involuntary "oh no" when I realized what was going to happen

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Friday, 29 September 2017 16:45 (four months ago) Permalink

Elio doesn't whine constantly before they fuck, right?

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 29 September 2017 16:57 (four months ago) Permalink

I keep reading conflicting reports about how much fucking Guadagnino films.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 29 September 2017 16:58 (four months ago) Permalink

This is on shortlists for Oscar contention, so I'd assume there's probably very little there.

Anne of the Thousand Gays (Eric H.), Friday, 29 September 2017 17:17 (four months ago) Permalink

apparently so, unless James Ivory wrote tons of hardcore descriptive italics

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 29 September 2017 17:29 (four months ago) Permalink

Buggery scored to Satie

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 29 September 2017 18:31 (four months ago) Permalink

i'll be seeing that from the 4th row

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 30 September 2017 11:30 (four months ago) Permalink

Well, it's real good. The kid shows great range, and the absence of the interior monologue that floods the book makes Elio seem as savvy and manipulative as he is awkward.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 October 2017 02:28 (four months ago) Permalink

seein this this weekend

flopson, Thursday, 5 October 2017 02:34 (four months ago) Permalink

bring peaches?

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 5 October 2017 02:42 (four months ago) Permalink

Something about that scene bugged me more than the 'discreet' sex, but I don't want to say yet.

Armie said in the Q&A he was scared that he didn't have the chops for this. (He did.) Then someone asked Chalamet if he had similar anxieties. "No, because no one knows who I am."

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 October 2017 02:48 (four months ago) Permalink

awww

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 5 October 2017 02:51 (four months ago) Permalink

so Hammer was well cast then. I worried the casting might even be too on the nose.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 5 October 2017 02:51 (four months ago) Permalink

T.C. will come out of this very well; he'd be on my best actor shortlist. And Guadagnino gazes appreciatively at him.

Hammer is not really my type, but when he came out on the stage... lemme say the camera doesn't do him justice.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 October 2017 02:54 (four months ago) Permalink

sorry i lied, i'm seeing this on Thursday October 12th

flopson, Thursday, 5 October 2017 04:12 (four months ago) Permalink

Same. I think I can hold on till then.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 5 October 2017 10:28 (four months ago) Permalink

i won't tell you what band Armie has his Ralph Fiennes moment to.

It's not Sufjan, who i guess might be on the Oscars next year.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 October 2017 11:28 (four months ago) Permalink

I don't think I'll get to see it until November, but I'm looking forward. I loved the book.

There's a good discussion between Aciman and Tóibín from 2007 in which they talk a lot about Call Me By Your Name. (here)

jmm, Thursday, 5 October 2017 14:33 (four months ago) Permalink

i won't tell you what band Armie has his Ralph Fiennes moment to.

splendid marimba part

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 12 October 2017 12:28 (four months ago) Permalink

My excitement for this never really existed, but it's quickly dimming.

Anne of the Thousand Gays (Eric H.), Thursday, 12 October 2017 12:54 (four months ago) Permalink

but that's been your mantra since 1980?

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 12 October 2017 13:00 (four months ago) Permalink

1979

Anne of the Thousand Gays (Eric H.), Thursday, 12 October 2017 13:02 (four months ago) Permalink

meh, those pics don't do much for me... but they have good chemistry in the motion picture.

In (Fame) high school, Chalamet dated Madonna's daughter, so he may be gay.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 October 2017 18:30 (four months ago) Permalink

Agree with Morbs: this was rather good and in some places excellent -- perhaps the best gay movie intended for a wide release Oscar crowd. I was relieved that Guardagino ditched the novel's lugubriousness: Ellio wants Oliver, and Chalamet's beautifully physical performance -- legs tossed over chairs, bare toes curled on stones, his eyes watching his parents' boredom with '80s Italian politics -- makes this clear.

Also, what is James Ivory complaining about? This was more explicit than I expected: shoulders getting gnawed, balls getting squeezed, foot massages. Even the peach scene, I realized, would not have worked as written in the novel -- the audience would have laughed it off the screen. The way Guardagino shoots it as a mix of shame and pleasure and relief after Oliver finds out is the film's most fully realized moment; I laughed out loud.

The dad's well-meaning, beautifully modulated monologue, to which Ivory added sentimental flourishes, came too late and was too I'm-ready-for-my-Oscar.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 13 October 2017 03:01 (four months ago) Permalink

Excuse Spellcheck-corrected name mistakes.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 13 October 2017 03:14 (four months ago) Permalink

I didn't realize this was being pitched as Oscarbait, but all that means is that I'd missed the Ivory connection until now. I'm not worried, though; all of your reviews (and others) have been encouraging, and it may actually play at a theatre near me now.

iCloudius (cryptosicko), Friday, 13 October 2017 03:59 (four months ago) Permalink

saw it this pm, thought it was just lovely

flopson, Friday, 13 October 2017 04:28 (four months ago) Permalink

it's probably my favourite novel from this millennia. I don't like The SPL very much but it's a debut. The Spell is the underrated one.

Heavy Messages (jed_), Monday, 8 January 2018 23:05 (one month ago) Permalink

I also liked The Folding Star

Dan S, Monday, 8 January 2018 23:09 (one month ago) Permalink

The Folding Star has a CMBYN-esque plot but reversed. It has one of the hottest sex scenes I've read in serious lit.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 8 January 2018 23:36 (one month ago) Permalink

lol yes!

Dan S, Monday, 8 January 2018 23:43 (one month ago) Permalink

I also really liked the echoes of Tonio Kröger and Death In Venice

Dan S, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 00:24 (one month ago) Permalink

and apparently (although I have never read it) Bruges-La-Mort by Georges Rodenbach

Heavy Messages (jed_), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 01:13 (one month ago) Permalink

but yes, I've always read Folding... as a version of Death In Venice for our vulgar age. Luc is as blank as Tadzio, it's all projection. Thankfully, other than weekly checking the facebook page of a young actor I worked on a play with, I'm past that stage in my life.

Heavy Messages (jed_), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 01:23 (one month ago) Permalink

lol

Dan S, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 01:39 (one month ago) Permalink

I love this bit on the film from Walter Chaw's year-end round up:

There's a conversation between lovers I come back to a lot where they ask why they wasted so much time in the beginning and then tell their story to each other over and over. I do that with my wife sometimes. I start with "Remember when we met?" or, "Remember our first date, when..." I do it as a bulwark against the realities of the day-to-day. It makes me feel good. Another conversation, between father and son, is justifiably lauded as one of the great moments in 2017 cinema--maybe of any year. It's become a model for how I want to be as a parent: open enough to be able to be vulnerable with my children--to show them where I've been hurt, as well as where I'm strong.

iCloudius (cryptosicko), Thursday, 11 January 2018 00:38 (one month ago) Permalink

So this is everything cinema should be i've decided, 10/10, as good as faultless. Minor gripe; i do wish characters would stop doing that 'look into the camera in the closing shot' thing. Happens in The Florida Project too iirc. Nit picking though.

piscesx, Saturday, 20 January 2018 14:37 (one month ago) Permalink

It has been a wonderful time, coming up with new names for Timothy Swiss Chalet, Timberly Chaturbate

flamboyant goon tie included, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 17:11 (three weeks ago) Permalink

In an interview designed to piss off goon, Frank Ocean talks to Chalamet.

FO The time period of 20th Century Women seems close to Call Me By Your Name, that ’80s time period. Did you get into these past eras of fashion and shit when you were doing the film?

TC Absolutely. I’m a total “nostalgist” and Call Me By Your Name’s director, Luca, grew up in that time period. In fact, the book is set in ’88 and he changed it to ’83 because he said that was the year in your life you can hear music from. In the movie, there’s Talking Heads, The Psychedelic Furs, or just the Bach or Beethoven—those are all songs from Luca’s youth, what it was like for him in Italy in the ’80s. Also, in 1988, the AIDS crisis had already hit and that was part of the reasoning for making [the film] a little bit earlier too, so it wasn’t as intense, and could be a little more utopic. What a tragedy for movies now that if you want to be contemporary, phones have to be involved, with texting and FaceTime. I don’t know if [the characters in] Call Me By Your Name would ever have that relationship if there was passive-aggressive commenting and “likes.” They actually had to talk, figure each other out, and struggle with their emotions.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 February 2018 13:58 (two weeks ago) Permalink

If he wasn't a client I'd tweet that FO'd obviously been catfished into that interview

flamboyant goon tie included, Thursday, 8 February 2018 15:14 (two weeks ago) Permalink

TC otm on electronic living

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 February 2018 16:48 (two weeks ago) Permalink

did someone itt post that article about how the 'limited release' distribution plan is outdated and really screwed this movie and The Florida Project? it's strange, the more straightforward indie / art house theater here is playing every awards season movie (they've had Lady Bird since early November), CMBYN opened at the end of December and it's already gone. at least CMBYN got nominations- back in October I was sure The Florida Project would be nominated multiple times.

flappy bird, Thursday, 8 February 2018 17:30 (two weeks ago) Permalink

yeah the studio badly fucked up this film's rollout. The good press built and crested just after Thanksgiving. It didn't open in limited release in Miami – where gay films do as well as T-shirt vendors – until the weekend before Xmas; it didn't go wide until the second week of January.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 February 2018 17:38 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Didn't hurt Phantom Thread any.

"Minneapolis" (barf) (Eric H.), Thursday, 8 February 2018 17:38 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Lady Bird has made $45 million and counting on a $10 million budget.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 February 2018 17:39 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I saw Lady Bird a day after it opened here in the middle of November, and it was sold out. from what I've heard that's basically maintained for 2+ months. Phantom Thread only opened in NY & LA in 2017, its rollout was a little bit later than others. hype and word of mouth for Phantom Thread hasn't peaked yet, quite the opposite, feel like it's getting stronger every day. Also Phantom Thread benefits from people seeing it multiple times, to be expected from any PTA movie.

flappy bird, Thursday, 8 February 2018 17:42 (two weeks ago) Permalink

It's not so surprising that Lady Bird would have more universal appeal than Florida Project and CMBYN, no?

"Minneapolis" (barf) (Eric H.), Thursday, 8 February 2018 17:43 (two weeks ago) Permalink

(I doubt Phantom Thread is going to make much more than $25m when all's said and done.)

"Minneapolis" (barf) (Eric H.), Thursday, 8 February 2018 17:45 (two weeks ago) Permalink

absolutely

where is Phantom Thread at right now box office wise? aren't most of PTA's movies loss leaders?

flappy bird, Thursday, 8 February 2018 17:46 (two weeks ago) Permalink

(absolutely re: broad appeal of Lady Bird)

flappy bird, Thursday, 8 February 2018 17:46 (two weeks ago) Permalink

it's made $15 million and doing very well per screen. At one of our art houses, I learned last weekend, it's been sold out every screening since early January.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 February 2018 17:46 (two weeks ago) Permalink

PTA, even adjusted for inflation, does not dominate box-office charts ...

Rank	Title (click to view)	Studio	Adjusted Gross	Unadjusted Gross	Release
1 Boogie Nights NL $52,801,300 $26,400,640 10/10/97
2 There Will Be Blood ParV $51,433,500 $40,222,514 12/26/07
3 Magnolia NL $38,309,100 $22,455,976 12/17/99
4 Punch-Drunk Love SonR $28,194,500 $17,844,216 10/11/02
5 The Master Wein. $18,955,600 $16,377,274 9/14/12
6 Phantom Thread Focus $14,697,700 $14,697,709 12/25/17
7 Inherent Vice WB $9,151,100 $8,110,975 12/12/14
8 Hard Eight Gold. $445,100 $222,559 2/28/97

"Minneapolis" (barf) (Eric H.), Thursday, 8 February 2018 17:47 (two weeks ago) Permalink

all threads are box office

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 February 2018 17:48 (two weeks ago) Permalink

poison

"Minneapolis" (barf) (Eric H.), Thursday, 8 February 2018 17:48 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Anyway, my point was that I don't think the release was particularly fucked up for CMBYN and I think it did as well as it probably could've ever been expected to do, financially.

"Minneapolis" (barf) (Eric H.), Thursday, 8 February 2018 17:49 (two weeks ago) Permalink

haha holy shit Inherent Vice only made 9 mil??

xp maybe enthusiasm for it just calmed down naturally. I think there's much more of a case to be made for a studio fuck-up re: The Florida Project, which like I said, seemed like an obvious Oscar movie back in October.

flappy bird, Thursday, 8 February 2018 17:50 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Nah, I had that one pegged to be a one-nomination wonder the moment I saw it.

"Minneapolis" (barf) (Eric H.), Thursday, 8 February 2018 17:54 (two weeks ago) Permalink

(More a comment on the average Oscar voter, not the movie's worth.)

"Minneapolis" (barf) (Eric H.), Thursday, 8 February 2018 17:54 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I wasn't crazy about it either but Dafoe's performance & the topical subject matter seemed like a safe bet.

flappy bird, Thursday, 8 February 2018 17:55 (two weeks ago) Permalink

but yeah i see what you mean

flappy bird, Thursday, 8 February 2018 17:55 (two weeks ago) Permalink

couple that with my powerful voodoo spells counteracting the film's commercial prospects

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 February 2018 17:55 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Alfred fucked up Florida Project

"Minneapolis" (barf) (Eric H.), Thursday, 8 February 2018 17:57 (two weeks ago) Permalink

that was MY Florida Project.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 February 2018 18:01 (two weeks ago) Permalink

watched this last night. knew i'd be a sucker for the story but i thought the movie was best in its silence moments. some of the interactions between the two were a little stiff i thought, and i didn't think either really sold their character's reluctance well. there was a lot of subtle stuff i enjoyed tho... it was a well made and thoughtful movie, more gay than i expected in some regards but also a little too conservative. i don't begrudge all the praise but i get why it's hit a bit of a ceiling come awards season.

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 14 February 2018 02:41 (one week ago) Permalink

Was Elio ever reluctant? The only moment he is happens when he finally gets what he wants.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 02:51 (one week ago) Permalink

the way the conclusion of the peach scene, at least for a second. but it was really more of armie's job and he wasn't great at it.

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 14 February 2018 03:04 (one week ago) Permalink

it was 1983, some things were a little more conservative.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 12:35 (one week ago) Permalink

how did gay men eat cum-filled peaches in 1983

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 13:38 (one week ago) Permalink

very carefully

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 15:06 (one week ago) Permalink

bae: come over

me: cant pontificating on etymology

bae: microgenerational advances in libidinal liberties occur when fervent youths buttressed by loving parents within a progressive society pursue overt actualization of once-furtive acts, paving paths for exponential gains

me: pic.twitter.com/azrHNCtAyB

— Eric Allen Hatch (@ericallenhatch) February 15, 2018

flappy bird, Thursday, 15 February 2018 04:33 (one week ago) Permalink

"It didn’t feel edgy enough, so when Cera and Hammer come back together it’s for long sequences of violent sado-masochistic sex. Like something properly European."

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 16:24 (two days ago) Permalink

Somebody posted this on FB: "this was my take: Not interested in the overplayed narrative of the younger boy and the older experienced man. Gag! The ever present affluent white euro gay experience. Double gag! Or the ends up with a woman trope! How scandalous!! And for anybody praising this yr in luck because there's at least 50 years of gay cinema that already covers all of these blatant cliches. This type of movie exists for 2 reasons. To make straight people feel cultured and to make gay people feel terrible"

Nice

flamboyant goon tie included, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 17:19 (two days ago) Permalink

that's a fairly commonplace, clichéd conclusion, actually.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 18:03 (two days ago) Permalink

Gays are fairly commonplace and cliched

"Minneapolis" (barf) (Eric H.), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 20:09 (two days ago) Permalink


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