Let us Anticipate "Call Me By Your Name"

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Luca Guadagnino adapts James Ivory's script of André Caiman's overripe little novel about a 17-year-old boy of Italo-American descent who strikes up a flirtation and eventual affair with the 24-year-old translator staying with his parents. Timothée Chalet plays the young man, Armie Hammer the translator. For anyone who's read the novel, The Peach Scene apparently made it into the film. Lots of buzz.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 29 September 2017 14:03 (one year ago) Permalink

seeing Wednesday. Please God, let there be no voiceover... drama queen internal monologue, even at 17, is just tolerable on the page.

Do I dare to eat a peach? yuck

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 29 September 2017 14:33 (one year ago) Permalink

I'm watching it Thursday.

What'd you think of the novel? Once I accepted the novel's monomania I loosened up, and the last 80 pages are moving.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 29 September 2017 14:38 (one year ago) Permalink

Anticipate's a strong word.

Anne of the Thousand Gays (Eric H.), Friday, 29 September 2017 14:42 (one year ago) Permalink

I don't usually get a seat on the subway, so I have 40 pages yet to go.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 29 September 2017 14:43 (one year ago) Permalink

Having found Guadagnino's last two features of interest but ultimately annoying, I'm glad to see other people in that camp like this one.

btw Alfred it's Chalamet no matter how much you want him in your chalet.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 29 September 2017 14:49 (one year ago) Permalink

link i'm inclined not to click on

Armie Hammer on gay romance Call Me By Your Name: ‘There were fetishes I didn’t understand’

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 29 September 2017 14:50 (one year ago) Permalink

btw Alfred it's Chalamet no matter how much you want him in your chalet.

― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius),

it's autocorrect

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 29 September 2017 14:57 (one year ago) Permalink

fortunately the computer didn't turn it into "autocock"

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 29 September 2017 14:58 (one year ago) Permalink

armie hammer has always seemed to me like there's a lot of things he doesn't understand tbf

Mr. Eulon Mask, urging the UN to ban the "homicide robot" (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 29 September 2017 14:59 (one year ago) Permalink

I've seen A.H. in no films besides The Social Network, because look at that filmography.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 29 September 2017 15:02 (one year ago) Permalink

armie hammer has always seemed to me like there's a lot of things he doesn't understand tbf

― Mr. Eulon Mask, urging the UN to ban the "homicide robot" (bizarro gazzara)

He's ideally cast as an aloof guy of modest blond looks idealized beyond comprehension and modest intelligence.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 29 September 2017 15:03 (one year ago) Permalink

Saw it on Tuesday. There's a lot of great things about it, but I never really felt, umm, invested in the two's attraction/relationship as much as I wanted to so the whole thing kinda fell apart for me (like, I found the parts about Jewish identity more compelling than the more-discussed queer relationship, if I could disentangle the two for a second). Fortunately, the age difference (which really manifests itself in how Chalamet looks like he's 14 and Hammer is...well, he's not 24) became less of an issue as the movie progressed.

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Friday, 29 September 2017 16:14 (one year ago) Permalink

What are some great things?

The Jewishness was mentioned in the novel but not lingered over.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 29 September 2017 16:28 (one year ago) Permalink

The performances in of themselves, some of the directorial choices, also not much of a spoiler since many of the reviews already mention it but Michael Stuhlbarg has a closing monologue that I found quite moving, all the more considering my aforementioned indifference to the central relationship.

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Friday, 29 September 2017 16:33 (one year ago) Permalink

I should have prefaced all this with how I haven't read the novel, but I'm definitely interested in doing so now.

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Friday, 29 September 2017 16:34 (one year ago) Permalink

I probably would've if they'd just called it Peach.

Anne of the Thousand Gays (Eric H.), Friday, 29 September 2017 16:35 (one year ago) Permalink

I think I let out an almost-involuntary "oh no" when I realized what was going to happen

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Friday, 29 September 2017 16:45 (one year ago) Permalink

Elio doesn't whine constantly before they fuck, right?

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 29 September 2017 16:57 (one year ago) Permalink

I keep reading conflicting reports about how much fucking Guadagnino films.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 29 September 2017 16:58 (one year ago) Permalink

This is on shortlists for Oscar contention, so I'd assume there's probably very little there.

Anne of the Thousand Gays (Eric H.), Friday, 29 September 2017 17:17 (one year ago) Permalink

apparently so, unless James Ivory wrote tons of hardcore descriptive italics

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 29 September 2017 17:29 (one year ago) Permalink

Buggery scored to Satie

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 29 September 2017 18:31 (one year ago) Permalink

i'll be seeing that from the 4th row

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 30 September 2017 11:30 (one year ago) Permalink

Well, it's real good. The kid shows great range, and the absence of the interior monologue that floods the book makes Elio seem as savvy and manipulative as he is awkward.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 October 2017 02:28 (one year ago) Permalink

seein this this weekend

flopson, Thursday, 5 October 2017 02:34 (one year ago) Permalink

bring peaches?

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 5 October 2017 02:42 (one year ago) Permalink

Something about that scene bugged me more than the 'discreet' sex, but I don't want to say yet.

Armie said in the Q&A he was scared that he didn't have the chops for this. (He did.) Then someone asked Chalamet if he had similar anxieties. "No, because no one knows who I am."

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 October 2017 02:48 (one year ago) Permalink

awww

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 5 October 2017 02:51 (one year ago) Permalink

so Hammer was well cast then. I worried the casting might even be too on the nose.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 5 October 2017 02:51 (one year ago) Permalink

T.C. will come out of this very well; he'd be on my best actor shortlist. And Guadagnino gazes appreciatively at him.

Hammer is not really my type, but when he came out on the stage... lemme say the camera doesn't do him justice.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 October 2017 02:54 (one year ago) Permalink

sorry i lied, i'm seeing this on Thursday October 12th

flopson, Thursday, 5 October 2017 04:12 (one year ago) Permalink

Same. I think I can hold on till then.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 5 October 2017 10:28 (one year ago) Permalink

i won't tell you what band Armie has his Ralph Fiennes moment to.

It's not Sufjan, who i guess might be on the Oscars next year.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 October 2017 11:28 (one year ago) Permalink

I don't think I'll get to see it until November, but I'm looking forward. I loved the book.

There's a good discussion between Aciman and Tóibín from 2007 in which they talk a lot about Call Me By Your Name. (here)

jmm, Thursday, 5 October 2017 14:33 (one year ago) Permalink

i won't tell you what band Armie has his Ralph Fiennes moment to.

splendid marimba part

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 12 October 2017 12:28 (one year ago) Permalink

My excitement for this never really existed, but it's quickly dimming.

Anne of the Thousand Gays (Eric H.), Thursday, 12 October 2017 12:54 (one year ago) Permalink

but that's been your mantra since 1980?

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 12 October 2017 13:00 (one year ago) Permalink

1979

Anne of the Thousand Gays (Eric H.), Thursday, 12 October 2017 13:02 (one year ago) Permalink

meh, those pics don't do much for me... but they have good chemistry in the motion picture.

In (Fame) high school, Chalamet dated Madonna's daughter, so he may be gay.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 October 2017 18:30 (one year ago) Permalink

Agree with Morbs: this was rather good and in some places excellent -- perhaps the best gay movie intended for a wide release Oscar crowd. I was relieved that Guardagino ditched the novel's lugubriousness: Ellio wants Oliver, and Chalamet's beautifully physical performance -- legs tossed over chairs, bare toes curled on stones, his eyes watching his parents' boredom with '80s Italian politics -- makes this clear.

Also, what is James Ivory complaining about? This was more explicit than I expected: shoulders getting gnawed, balls getting squeezed, foot massages. Even the peach scene, I realized, would not have worked as written in the novel -- the audience would have laughed it off the screen. The way Guardagino shoots it as a mix of shame and pleasure and relief after Oliver finds out is the film's most fully realized moment; I laughed out loud.

The dad's well-meaning, beautifully modulated monologue, to which Ivory added sentimental flourishes, came too late and was too I'm-ready-for-my-Oscar.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 13 October 2017 03:01 (one year ago) Permalink

Excuse Spellcheck-corrected name mistakes.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 13 October 2017 03:14 (one year ago) Permalink

I didn't realize this was being pitched as Oscarbait, but all that means is that I'd missed the Ivory connection until now. I'm not worried, though; all of your reviews (and others) have been encouraging, and it may actually play at a theatre near me now.

iCloudius (cryptosicko), Friday, 13 October 2017 03:59 (one year ago) Permalink

saw it this pm, thought it was just lovely

flopson, Friday, 13 October 2017 04:28 (one year ago) Permalink

but yeah i see what you mean

flappy bird, Thursday, 8 February 2018 17:55 (one year ago) Permalink

couple that with my powerful voodoo spells counteracting the film's commercial prospects

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 February 2018 17:55 (one year ago) Permalink

Alfred fucked up Florida Project

"Minneapolis" (barf) (Eric H.), Thursday, 8 February 2018 17:57 (one year ago) Permalink

that was MY Florida Project.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 February 2018 18:01 (one year ago) Permalink

watched this last night. knew i'd be a sucker for the story but i thought the movie was best in its silence moments. some of the interactions between the two were a little stiff i thought, and i didn't think either really sold their character's reluctance well. there was a lot of subtle stuff i enjoyed tho... it was a well made and thoughtful movie, more gay than i expected in some regards but also a little too conservative. i don't begrudge all the praise but i get why it's hit a bit of a ceiling come awards season.

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 14 February 2018 02:41 (one year ago) Permalink

Was Elio ever reluctant? The only moment he is happens when he finally gets what he wants.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 02:51 (one year ago) Permalink

the way the conclusion of the peach scene, at least for a second. but it was really more of armie's job and he wasn't great at it.

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 14 February 2018 03:04 (one year ago) Permalink

it was 1983, some things were a little more conservative.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 12:35 (one year ago) Permalink

how did gay men eat cum-filled peaches in 1983

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 13:38 (one year ago) Permalink

very carefully

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 15:06 (one year ago) Permalink

bae: come over

me: cant pontificating on etymology

bae: microgenerational advances in libidinal liberties occur when fervent youths buttressed by loving parents within a progressive society pursue overt actualization of once-furtive acts, paving paths for exponential gains

me: pic.twitter.com/azrHNCtAyB

— Eric Allen Hatch (@ericallenhatch) February 15, 2018

flappy bird, Thursday, 15 February 2018 04:33 (one year ago) Permalink

I thought for a second fgti might've written this comment on a CMBYN puff piece:

https://www.theguardian.com/film/filmblog/2018/feb/20/call-me-by-your-name-2018-best-picture-oscar-should-win-luca-guadagnino-timothee-chalamet#comment-112482443

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 16:18 (eleven months ago) Permalink

"It didn’t feel edgy enough, so when Cera and Hammer come back together it’s for long sequences of violent sado-masochistic sex. Like something properly European."

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 16:24 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Somebody posted this on FB: "this was my take: Not interested in the overplayed narrative of the younger boy and the older experienced man. Gag! The ever present affluent white euro gay experience. Double gag! Or the ends up with a woman trope! How scandalous!! And for anybody praising this yr in luck because there's at least 50 years of gay cinema that already covers all of these blatant cliches. This type of movie exists for 2 reasons. To make straight people feel cultured and to make gay people feel terrible"

Nice

flamboyant goon tie included, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 17:19 (eleven months ago) Permalink

that's a fairly commonplace, clichéd conclusion, actually.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 18:03 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Gays are fairly commonplace and cliched

"Minneapolis" (barf) (Eric H.), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 20:09 (eleven months ago) Permalink

https://goo.gl/images/HNBc7C

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 20:15 (eleven months ago) Permalink

i'll just leave this here

To be sure, the father’s speech deserves unpacking; it’s an artful, stylized speech with formal language (“I am not such a parent,” Samuel Perlman tells his son, noting that most parents would have at best discouraged Elio from engaging in his relationship with Oliver). But the majority of gay viewers I’ve spoken with about this speech have found it intensely moving – and I think this response has to do with the speech’s novelty. It’s at heart a fantasy of what a queer person would be able to count on experiencing if the world were consistently just – if gay experience was no less affirmed and sanctioned than heterosexual experience, if queer people were free to pursue their desires without fear. My own working-class, immigrant, mixed-race parents certainly would never have given me such a benediction at that age, and in this I’m far from alone.

What High Queer Theory, which (D.A.) Miller emblematizes, specializes in is a critique of liberalism as pernicious, the fanged menace beneath the smiling surface of middle-class politesse and “tolerance.” Foucault taught us only too well to see in the seeming benedictions of normalizing society a crushing program of control. Though a Freudian, I have a lot of sympathy for this Foucauldian outlook – at times. The problem is that Foucault as a centrally defining guide is a catastrophe for gay and queer subjects, despite the hype. Foucault’s work, as Graham Robb has shown, has denied, or has been used to deny, gay/queer history. Miller’s essay, with an almost admirable explicitness, expresses the defining logic of his version of queer theory, the strict separation of sex/uality from the emotional life.

http://filmint.nu/?p=23937

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 15 March 2018 14:41 (eleven months ago) Permalink

"emblematizes"

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 March 2018 14:42 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Phantom Thread had as-good-as a limited release in the Uk, it was crazy. It wasn't on at all afaict in big town multiplexes with 12-15 screens, barely on in city-based ones and vanished in a fortnight from the arthouse/indies even with all the buzz/hype.

piscesx, Thursday, 15 March 2018 15:17 (eleven months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

A long-distance old friend -- straight liberal woman, about 50, with a queer daughter -- just saw the film and did an FB post linking to a Boston Globe op piece calling the relationship "abuse." I did one brief eyerolling post but won't push it further.

She lives, of course, in Portlandia. Save us from the lefty puritans.

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 14:57 (nine months ago) Permalink

I saw the last 40 minutes again last Saturday, whispering whenI saw Elio LORD SOTOSYN LORD SOTOSYN LORD SOTOSYN

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 15:03 (nine months ago) Permalink

I was sure this revive would be for

http://www.indiewire.com/2018/04/luca-guadagnino-suspiria-dakota-johnson-therapy-1201955909/

Simon H., Tuesday, 24 April 2018 15:17 (nine months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgOEg2Drs3w&

Police, Academy (cryptosicko), Saturday, 14 July 2018 20:33 (seven months ago) Permalink

three months pass...

hey guys once again I'm six months late to a buzzworthy film!

this wasn't badly made or poorly acted or offensive or anything but I did find it fairly dull. the classical Greek sculpture backdrop seemed very DO U SEE and the general arc of their relationship made me wonder if the structure of escalating sexual tension > dramatic consummation > dissappointment/betrayal (also evident in Y Tu Mama Tambien and Brokeback Mountain and probably some others I can't recall right now) is turning into some kind of cliche'd template for gay love stories in these kind of "prestige" pictures.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 20:17 (four months ago) Permalink

Y Tu Mamá También is a gay love story?

FRE SHA VAC ADO (jed_), Wednesday, 17 October 2018 20:28 (four months ago) Permalink

in the sense that ppl seemed to get *really* wound up about the buildup to TWO GUYS KISSING ON-SCREEN yeah, it was treated as such imo

I didn't really like it either tbf

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 20:31 (four months ago) Permalink

I admit I'm hard-pressed to think of a depiction of a gay couple in a nominally mainstream film that I find at all engaging. comedies and weirder stuff (Fassbinder's "Fox and Friends" etc), sure

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 20:48 (four months ago) Permalink

Gay relationships do admittedly lend themselves to comedy and weirder stuff, tbh.

I Never Promised You A Hose Harden (Eric H.), Wednesday, 17 October 2018 20:56 (four months ago) Permalink

lol

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 20:57 (four months ago) Permalink

now that I think about it, most dramas that focus on the minutiae of a hetero couple's relationship bore me too. maybe I just hate ppl lol. but there always has to be something *else* going on beyond "omg when are they going to have hot sex" to maintain my interest.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 21:09 (four months ago) Permalink

shakey have you come around on Fassbinder?

flappy bird, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 23:21 (four months ago) Permalink

I have always been a fan of certain things of Fassbinder's! def not all of it, he can get p tiresome

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 23:22 (four months ago) Permalink

ah gotcha. yeah I like Fassbinder but have only seen like 13 of his movies, like most of them a lot, but I don't hold any of them dear. except maybe The Merchant of Four Seasons. too brutal and hopeless. I was just reading this thread last night, some really great discussion about Fassbinder's work being "horizontal" - no underbelly, no success, everyone is equally fucked. Tarkovsky otoh I worship

flappy bird, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 23:29 (four months ago) Permalink

I think 'escalating sexual tension > dramatic consummation > disappointment/betrayal' is a dramatic arc of most love stories, gay or straight

there has to be something after that though.....some kind of growth, understanding

that kind of story line never gets old for me

Dan S, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 23:48 (four months ago) Permalink

*storyline

Dan S, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 23:52 (four months ago) Permalink

Dan S otm, any love story that doesn't follow that structure is usually a comedy

and not a courtship of mine (retired)

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 18 October 2018 01:50 (four months ago) Permalink

my problem with this movie is that the first hour, before the dance around the memorial, could have been pared down to around 10 minutes. i get the structure of these and the first act doesn't need to be so drawn out.

adam the (abanana), Thursday, 18 October 2018 02:12 (four months ago) Permalink

yeah i remember finding this pretty but way too long. but i am also a straight.

|Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 18 October 2018 02:23 (four months ago) Permalink

any love story that doesn't follow that structure is usually a comedy

yeah I guess that's true. Last Tango in Paris fits, for ex. Not a story form for me, I guess.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 18 October 2018 15:45 (four months ago) Permalink

yeah but wouldn't you fuck Timothee Chalamet, comedy or not?

You like queer? I like queer. Still like queer. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 October 2018 19:06 (four months ago) Permalink

maybe I'm just old but I'm past the point of getting any enjoyment out of films based on the relative attractiveness of the ppl onscreen

Οὖτις, Thursday, 18 October 2018 19:20 (four months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

I guess it's happening.

The director has offered an update on his plans for the next chapter in Elio and Oliver's life. Speaking to Italian outlet Bad Taste (translation via The Playlist), Guadagnino revealed that the opening shot of the sequel will mirror the final shot of Call Me By Your Name, which ended with Elio crying while staring into a fireplace. This time, Guadagnino said, Elio will be crying while watching a movie instead:

"I’m asking myself if in the new chapter of the life of Elio, Oliver and the Perlman family we should let them pass by Crema or not… but I don’t think so. Let’s give a small scoop: the sequel (but I don’t like to call it a sequel, their story is a ‘cycle’) will take place in Paris. And it begins with Elio crying. With this light shining into his eyes… and we wonder: are we still where we left him (in front of the fireplace)? No: he’s crying because he’s watching the ending of one of the best movies of the eighties, Paul Vecchiali’s masterpiece ‘Once More'. Absolutely consistent with the character: Elio loves Paul Vecchiali’s cinema… that is melancholic like him."

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 31 December 2018 21:44 (one month ago) Permalink

And...

André Aciman has revealed that he is writing a sequel to his bestselling novel Call Me By Your Name, which was adapted into an Oscar-winning film starring Timothée Chalamet and Armie Hammer.

A coming-of-age story detailing the poignant summer romance between teenager Elio and the slightly older Oliver, a graduate student who visits Elio’s family home in Italy, Aciman’s 2007 novel was adapted into a film last year. While the film ends with the pair still young, the novel gives a glimpse into Elio and Oliver’s future, showing a meeting between the lovers 20 years after their short affair.

Aciman revealed on Tuesday that readers would soon be given further insight into how the characters’ lives develop. “I would actually love a sequel to Call Me By Your Name. In fact I am writing one,” he tweeted.

The film’s director Luca Guadagnino has already been clear about his plans to follow the story with a series of sequels. “The novel has 40 pages at the end that goes through the next 20 years of the lives of Elio and Oliver, so there is some sort of indication through the intention of [the author] that the story can continue,” he told the Hollywood Reporter earlier this year. “In my opinion, Call Me can be the first chapter of the chronicles of the life of these people that we met in this movie, and if the first one is a story of coming of age and becoming a young man, maybe the next chapter will be, what is the position of the young man in the world, what does he want – and what is left a few years later of such an emotional punch that made him who he is?”

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 31 December 2018 21:45 (one month ago) Permalink

Oh

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Monday, 31 December 2018 21:50 (one month ago) Permalink

The Elio Crying Cycle

jmm, Monday, 31 December 2018 22:15 (one month ago) Permalink

hmmmm

flappy bird, Monday, 31 December 2018 23:21 (one month ago) Permalink

don't think I'd watch or read any of them, but good luck to both

sans lep (sic), Monday, 31 December 2018 23:43 (one month ago) Permalink


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