PHANTOM THREAD: Paul Tomas Anderson, Daniel Day-Lewis, Fifties London

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Eazy, Friday, 13 October 2017 20:00 (eight months ago) Permalink

Thomas typo.

Eazy, Friday, 13 October 2017 20:00 (eight months ago) Permalink

Thomas Typo Types Tentatively

Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Friday, 13 October 2017 20:16 (eight months ago) Permalink

The thread of threads.

Anyway, trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNsiQMeSvMk

Ned Raggett, Monday, 23 October 2017 14:43 (eight months ago) Permalink

this looks insanely boring

Simon H., Monday, 23 October 2017 14:57 (eight months ago) Permalink

So apparently DDL is not a gay dude in this

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 23 October 2017 14:59 (eight months ago) Permalink

PTA does M/I.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 23 October 2017 15:21 (eight months ago) Permalink

this looks insanely boring

― Simon H., Monday, October 23, 2017 7:57 AM (twenty-five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

interest piqued

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 23 October 2017 15:23 (eight months ago) Permalink

this does not appeal

Οὖτις, Monday, 23 October 2017 15:26 (eight months ago) Permalink

well I live in hope that it's not actually about fashion, the most boring topic on earth.

Like one of those Saint Laurent films.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 23 October 2017 15:27 (eight months ago) Permalink

My gf has been super into sewing and making clothes lately, so I'm excited for beautifully-shot sewing action scenes on her behalf.

change display name (Jordan), Monday, 23 October 2017 15:30 (eight months ago) Permalink

looks good to me ... is this the first PTA movie to have nothing to do with California?

tylerw, Monday, 23 October 2017 15:32 (eight months ago) Permalink

I'm sure this will be good, because PTA usually delivers the goods, but for all you folks who complained how boring the new Blade Runner is, man, it was a relative struggle for me to make it through this 2-minute trailer.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 23 October 2017 15:35 (eight months ago) Permalink

I'll watch DDL be boring anytime, though.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 23 October 2017 15:36 (eight months ago) Permalink

Y'all are nuts this looks great

.oO (silby), Monday, 23 October 2017 15:36 (eight months ago) Permalink

I liked The Dressmaker (2015)! Although that combined costume porn with Western tropes.

Previous word on this film suggests that Phantom Thread's story is based on the life of Charles James (1906-1978).

Virulent Is the Word for Julia (j.lu), Monday, 23 October 2017 15:38 (eight months ago) Permalink

looks good to me ... is this the first PTA movie to have nothing to do with California?

Hard Eight?

Οὖτις, Monday, 23 October 2017 15:42 (eight months ago) Permalink

oh right!

tylerw, Monday, 23 October 2017 16:00 (eight months ago) Permalink

I'll probably watch this, but yeah, it looks pretty dull

Moodles, Monday, 23 October 2017 16:43 (eight months ago) Permalink

looks good to me ... is this the first PTA movie to have nothing to do with California?

There Will Be Blood is all Texas, isn't it?

Ned Raggett, Monday, 23 October 2017 16:51 (eight months ago) Permalink

Southern California

Οὖτις, Monday, 23 October 2017 16:52 (eight months ago) Permalink

Looks insanely boring & I fear he shot without a complete script again

flappy bird, Monday, 23 October 2017 16:59 (eight months ago) Permalink

why do you all say "boring" like it's a bad thing?

.oO (silby), Monday, 23 October 2017 17:00 (eight months ago) Permalink

i only hold films in high esteem if i nod off during them

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 23 October 2017 17:02 (eight months ago) Permalink

There Will Be Blood has aged pretty poorly (mostly because the last 10 minutes have been parodied and referenced so much - a shame because the ending was so powerful when I first saw it), but The Master has aged really well... I saw that one by myself opening night & then the next day with a bunch of friends and we were all left scratching our heads... haven't seen it since, but it's bloomed in my mind in a way that TWBB hasn't, quite the opposite... maybe the difference between DDL & PSH...

why do you all say "boring" like it's a bad thing?

the cardinal sin in movies is being boring, i don't understand the question

flappy bird, Monday, 23 October 2017 17:04 (eight months ago) Permalink

yeah i watched Louis XIV die in bed for 2 hours last night

xp

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 23 October 2017 17:05 (eight months ago) Permalink

flappy, have you dodged the entire Slow Cinema trend?

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 23 October 2017 17:06 (eight months ago) Permalink

what are some examples

flappy bird, Monday, 23 October 2017 17:07 (eight months ago) Permalink

First person that came to mind when I read "slow cinema" was Kelly Reichardt, who's one of my favorite working directors. Certain Women is slow but it's anything but boring.

flappy bird, Monday, 23 October 2017 17:07 (eight months ago) Permalink

yeah slow =/= boring. "PTA fashion movie" is my idea of hell if that's really what this is

Simon H., Monday, 23 October 2017 17:09 (eight months ago) Permalink

you can def nap to the work of apichatpong weerasethakul, one of my favorite directors

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 23 October 2017 17:13 (eight months ago) Permalink

Guessing it was made with self-awareness of The Age of Innocence and Gosford Park as context, wild energetic American filmmakers telling a story in a restrained and refined world.

Eazy, Monday, 23 October 2017 17:14 (eight months ago) Permalink

wild energetic

this is not a fitting descriptor for PTA imo.

Οὖτις, Monday, 23 October 2017 17:15 (eight months ago) Permalink

I mean, anxiety is also a form of energy I guess

Simon H., Monday, 23 October 2017 17:16 (eight months ago) Permalink

I keep hearing that the Paul Thomas Anderson/Daniel Day-Lewis movie is sort of an art-house FIFTY SHADES OF GREY...

— Kyle Buchanan (@kylebuchanan) August 7, 2017

This tweet (coupled with some hints in the trailer) suggest that this movie is not primarily about fashion

Number None, Monday, 23 October 2017 18:07 (eight months ago) Permalink

Oh hell yeah

flappy bird, Monday, 23 October 2017 18:10 (eight months ago) Permalink

Unfortunately, 'art house 50 Shades of Grey' sounds like a movie full of the scenes where he's asking her why isn't she eating and then making her eat.

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 23 October 2017 18:33 (eight months ago) Permalink

That does look decidedly boring

He should play WB Yeats soon

Gary Synaesthesia (darraghmac), Monday, 23 October 2017 19:03 (eight months ago) Permalink

don't you remember he retired? (lol)

flappy bird, Monday, 23 October 2017 19:04 (eight months ago) Permalink

unless he has some sort of second coming...

Number None, Monday, 23 October 2017 19:04 (eight months ago) Permalink

There's totally going to be a scene where he sews a dildo into one of those secret pockets

Simon H., Monday, 23 October 2017 19:46 (eight months ago) Permalink

The strange thing is that in real life Daniel Day-Lewis is actually a cobbler and his specialty is embedding dildoes in the soles of his shoes. It's kind of ridiculous when you think about it, this presumption that knowing one thing could actually translate into a meaningful ability to represent the other thing. Hardly method acting, if you ask me.

Moodles, Monday, 23 October 2017 20:07 (eight months ago) Permalink

daniel dild-shoeis morelike amirite

clammy marinara (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 23 October 2017 20:13 (eight months ago) Permalink

I regret this.

Simon H., Monday, 23 October 2017 20:14 (eight months ago) Permalink

daniel dild-shoeis morelike amirite

hahahaha

Susan Stranglehands (jed_), Monday, 23 October 2017 21:06 (eight months ago) Permalink

This looks great, not boring at all. The photography looks absolutely beautiful. Very excited to see it.

Susan Stranglehands (jed_), Monday, 23 October 2017 21:08 (eight months ago) Permalink

This looks great.

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 24 October 2017 00:15 (eight months ago) Permalink

Is that Julia Davis playing the "rival" at the dinner table 1:15 in? She's not on the cast list.

Susan Stranglehands (jed_), Tuesday, 24 October 2017 00:49 (eight months ago) Permalink

I won't watch the trailer (I don't really watch them) but PTA, whom I don't like much, made Inherent Vice and The Master back to back, both of which tickled me.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 October 2017 02:55 (eight months ago) Permalink

i'd like to know what you think of the aesthetic fwiw, and it doesn't give much away. in fact it does the opposite. such a shock to see PTA shoot grey skies, rainy cobbled streets and wild green coastlines.

Susan Stranglehands (jed_), Tuesday, 24 October 2017 03:54 (eight months ago) Permalink

now let's go back to teacups and mushroom soup

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 March 2018 19:21 (three months ago) Permalink

lmao wtf

flappy bird, Friday, 2 March 2018 19:23 (three months ago) Permalink

have you met many millennials who like old movies? they tend to be a minority.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 March 2018 19:24 (three months ago) Permalink

they have a flinty resolution

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 2 March 2018 19:26 (three months ago) Permalink

Jennifer Lawrence dismissing b&w movies is basically Vince Staples saying he doesn't listen to Nas. It might rile up purists but it doesn't diminish their craft

Evan R, Friday, 2 March 2018 19:26 (three months ago) Permalink

Phantom Thread is basically the anti-mother! when it comes to the genius-creator trope.

I still find it hilarious that people watched mother! and thought "this movie thinks creative geniuses are cool and their interpersonal dynamics are fine" (not that this is necessarily the argument you were making)

Simon H., Friday, 2 March 2018 19:30 (three months ago) Permalink

have you met many millennials who like old movies? they tend to be a minority.

― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, March 2, 2018 2:24 PM (seventeen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

well yeah but when you're in the movie-making business i imagine the % is higher

flappy bird, Friday, 2 March 2018 19:43 (three months ago) Permalink

that reminds me, Brie Larson's Criterion top 10 is really great: https://www.criterion.com/explore/180-brie-larson-s-top-10

flappy bird, Friday, 2 March 2018 19:44 (three months ago) Permalink

jennifer lawrence is the queen of the normies

khat person (jim in vancouver), Friday, 2 March 2018 19:49 (three months ago) Permalink

xp I'd judge someone's ability to say why they like a studied list of classic films more than the construction of a list and, although brief, those are some decent quotes. Brie Larson otm about how they say "Lime" in Third Man

mh, Friday, 2 March 2018 19:56 (three months ago) Permalink

I’d rather read KStew’s thoughts on film than JLaw’s

direct to consumer online mattress brand (silby), Friday, 2 March 2018 19:58 (three months ago) Permalink

I mean, you can be personally uninterested in film and make good movies, but it's nice to actually be interested in the medium

mh, Friday, 2 March 2018 19:59 (three months ago) Permalink

me too

xxp- yes i agree, i didn't just mean it was a good list, her thoughts are great tho brief

flappy bird, Friday, 2 March 2018 19:59 (three months ago) Permalink

hey wait a minute Criterion put out The Third Man on blu? and it's out of print???????????????????????

flappy bird, Friday, 2 March 2018 20:03 (three months ago) Permalink

well yeah but when you're in the movie-making business i imagine the % is higher

lol, why? how many current baseball players know who Honus Wagner was?

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 March 2018 20:05 (three months ago) Permalink

have you met many millennials who like old movies? they tend to be a minority.

― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, March 2, 2018 2:24 PM (forty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It's not "Filmstruck and Chill"

Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 2 March 2018 20:07 (three months ago) Permalink

Millennials basically decided for American that the first century of film is unimportant to keep in regular circulation, but Adam Sandler getting an 8-picture deal Netflix is better because we can watch them right away

Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 2 March 2018 20:11 (three months ago) Permalink

lol baseball is a terrible analogy

flappy bird, Friday, 2 March 2018 20:12 (three months ago) Permalink

People that love movies & make movies generally got there by... watching a lot of movies. How many baseball players study old games?

flappy bird, Friday, 2 March 2018 20:13 (three months ago) Permalink

flappy, most actors can barely find the doorknob in the morning.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 March 2018 20:20 (three months ago) Permalink

ok mr. hitchcock

flappy bird, Friday, 2 March 2018 20:20 (three months ago) Permalink

BLOOM (screaming) Have you lost your mind? What are you talking about? Kill the actors. You can't kill the actors -- they're not animals, they're human beings!

BIALYSTOCK They are? Have you ever eaten with one?

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 March 2018 20:22 (three months ago) Permalink

This man should be in a straightjacket.

"Minneapolis" (barf) (Eric H.), Friday, 2 March 2018 20:38 (three months ago) Permalink

four weeks pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBmnU98uk_o

Number None, Sunday, 1 April 2018 18:20 (two months ago) Permalink

loved, loved, loved this, even though the characters/relationship seemed a bit secondary to everything else. some brilliant/lol/wtf scenes, lines and acting, but it felt like an incredibly lavish terence davies movie (maybe as i saw it on 70mm?) where the script could have had a bit more time spent on it.

StillAdvance, Monday, 2 April 2018 19:51 (two months ago) Permalink

Genteel loutishness, bad clothing, (note following shot up stairway), "she seems nice", TOAST!, mince, (wait for it), punchline.

Personally, I loved the part where the villain, an exceedingly well-starched linen handkerchief, staggers through the climactic reel of La Dolce Vita in a desperate attempt to wrest his beloved from the clutches of human happiness. Amazing scene, all bullshit aside. And the daring resolution by vomit fetishism clearly thrilled the audience with which I saw the film. As comprehension dawned, we all tightened our lips for a moment while nodding slightly. I couldn't see this, of course, but the leathery creaking of delighted flesh was unmistakable.

Strongly recommended to fans of sitting very still while eating precisely one third of a saltine.

not quite as cool as seeing damo's wang but (contenderizer), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 04:44 (two months ago) Permalink

Feel bad for anyone who saw this in an audience unwilling to laugh out loud.

valorous wokelord (silby), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 05:02 (two months ago) Permalink

I found this piece on the New Yorker website, Why Phantom Thread is Propaganda For Toxic Masculinity by Aleksandar Hemon, to be rather astoundingly stupid.

It appears to rest on the idea that the movie condones everything the main character does, and also contains a pretty shocking misreading of the relationship between Reynolds and Cyril, for which I can think of no justification except that the author needed it to make his point.

JRN, Sunday, 8 April 2018 08:46 (two months ago) Permalink

I'm actually wondering if that review is a prank by the author on the publication or something.

JRN, Sunday, 8 April 2018 08:50 (two months ago) Permalink

maybe they were checking their phone during the "i'll go right through you" bit

devvvine, Sunday, 8 April 2018 09:05 (two months ago) Permalink

haven't seen it mentioned anywhere but there's a man who's often at dinner with the trio who i read as being Cyril's lover

devvvine, Sunday, 8 April 2018 09:18 (two months ago) Permalink

That piece is the first I’ve read to get at what kept me from being more engaged with this film, while always in awe of the quality of the shots, dialogue, performances, etc.

“Phantom Thread” might appear to some as a critical exploration of male power, but for that to be the case there would have to be alternative positions that are not dependent on the hero’s centrality. The scene in which Alma arranges an intimate dinner seems to provide space for such a position, as she litigates against “all your rules and your walls and your doors and your people.” And yet she remains desperate to remain in the House of Woodcock, where she can be the well-dressed mannequin muse, replenishing with her emptiness the great man’s inner life and creativity.

... (Eazy), Sunday, 8 April 2018 11:23 (two months ago) Permalink

The second and third sentences undercut the first.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 8 April 2018 11:55 (two months ago) Permalink

lots of people who use "toxic masculinity" like table salt are... nah, i'm not gonna

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 8 April 2018 12:25 (two months ago) Permalink

That “toxic masculinity” critique is so forced it feels like a deliberate misreading of the film. It’s like saying Leaving Las Vegas was propoganda for alcohol, or Schindler’s List was promoting the holocaust. Like, how is it possible for anybody to leave that movie thinking it’s condoning Reynolds’ abusive (also childish and petty) behavior? And how did so many critics somehow even arrive at that obviously contrarian conclusion?

Evan R, Sunday, 8 April 2018 17:24 (two months ago) Permalink

haven't seen it mentioned anywhere but there's a man who's often at dinner with the trio who i read as being Cyril's lover

This is awesome and enhances the movie greatly for me. I understand that Cyril’s personal life is well outside the scope of the movie, but it’s still important to establish that she at least has one. (Early in the movie Reynolds laughs off the question of whether his sister is married, which I took as kind of a cruel, “no of course she’s not a sexual being” dismissal, but I think it makes more sense that she would conduct her relationships with the same practicality and detachment as Reynolds).

Evan R, Sunday, 8 April 2018 17:31 (two months ago) Permalink

I had assumed that guy was a financier or partner in the business but this reading is much more fun

valorous wokelord (silby), Sunday, 8 April 2018 17:32 (two months ago) Permalink

That “toxic masculinity” critique is so forced it feels like a deliberate misreading of the film. It’s like saying Leaving Las Vegas was propoganda for alcohol, or Schindler’s List was promoting the holocaust. Like, how is it possible for anybody to leave that movie thinking it’s condoning Reynolds’ abusive (also childish and petty) behavior? And how did so many critics somehow even arrive at that obviously contrarian conclusion?


otm this is some daft daft shit, as in the master the fact that the film isn't interested in capital-C condemnation doesn't equal an endorsement of the relationship as ideal and healthy

scotti pruitti (wins), Sunday, 8 April 2018 17:37 (two months ago) Permalink

xp Fun fact about that guy: He's played by a shoemaker who's friends with Daniel Day-Lewis: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/03/05/a-shoemakers-acting-debut-in-phantom-thread

jaymc, Sunday, 8 April 2018 17:39 (two months ago) Permalink

They cobbled together a role for him

scotti pruitti (wins), Sunday, 8 April 2018 17:41 (two months ago) Permalink

It’s like saying Leaving Las Vegas was propoganda for alcohol, or Schindler’s List was promoting the holocaust. Like, how is it possible for anybody to leave that movie thinking it’s condoning Reynolds’ abusive (also childish and petty) behavior? And how did so many critics somehow even arrive at that obviously contrarian conclusion?

Herman's piece works its way into this by suggesting

One might argue that a similar ideology is at work in American cinema—that “Apocalypse Now” is just as loaded with imperialist racism as is John Wayne's openly propagandistic “The Green Berets”; or that “Zero Dark Thirty” is drama-coated torture advertisement, just as “The Hurt Locker” is a war-recruitment movie; or that the preponderance of superhero movies contributes more to this country’s self-image as a superpower than does the deployment of U.S. troops around the world.

Which is audacious, but after a few decades of "I love the smell of Napalm in the morning" jokes...

... (Eazy), Sunday, 8 April 2018 17:43 (two months ago) Permalink

*Hermon. F-ing autocorrect

... (Eazy), Sunday, 8 April 2018 17:45 (two months ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

What a magnificent film. I sorta love the subtle transformation of Woodcock from the first half ("DDL really is stunningly handsome, huh?") to the second (the post-surprise party argument scene, in which DDL resembles nothing so much as Mr-Burns-as-vampire in that one Treehouse of Horror episode of The Simpsons)

Favorite scene I haven't seen discussed on this thread: Woodcock's demanding of the return of the dress, Alma's retrieval of it, and the subsequent intoxication of that act apparent when they're all googly-eyed with each other afterward

I agree it's Manville ftw though

Can't wait to see this again

Paul Ponzi, Friday, 27 April 2018 12:55 (one month ago) Permalink

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— Eric Allen Hatch (@ericallenhatch) April 29, 2018

flappy bird, Sunday, 29 April 2018 04:40 (one month ago) Permalink

think about this film every day, hope pta just writes films for manville from now on

devvvine, Sunday, 29 April 2018 07:57 (one month ago) Permalink

one month passes...

what an incredibly strange little film. marketing was 100% off base on this.

akm, Sunday, 3 June 2018 16:14 (three weeks ago) Permalink

He cuts his own trailers iirc

valorous wokelord (silby), Sunday, 3 June 2018 16:15 (three weeks ago) Permalink

The trailers for this and for The Master both contained lines that didn’t make the final cut of the movie. Alma in the trailer is heard (only in v.o.? I don’t remember) admonishing Reynolds for acting “cursed”, which doesn’t happen in the film; the legend “never cursed” in the hem of the princess’ wedding dress is the only direct reference to the curse that survives i think.

valorous wokelord (silby), Sunday, 3 June 2018 16:18 (three weeks ago) Permalink

only saw the trailer and read a bit of the synopsis on wikipedia but was waiting for daniel to go pyscho on the waitress

music sounded interesting. looked it up. of course jonny greenwood

F# A# (∞), Sunday, 3 June 2018 16:28 (three weeks ago) Permalink


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