Is the West Experiencing a Left-Wing Drift? (the international left politics activism, news, and strategy thread)

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hottt off the DSA's local wins a couple of days ago, here's a place to discuss current left movements and orgs, ponder strategy and all that fun stuff. not gonna police/define what "left" means too rigidly except to say there's already a democratic party thread

Simon H., Thursday, 9 November 2017 14:44 (nine months ago) Permalink

I guess the only hard-and-fast rule is no comedy podcasts allowed

Simon H., Thursday, 9 November 2017 14:49 (nine months ago) Permalink

anyway some fun things to talk about might be

- the DSA's electoral strategy plank and where it stands (or should stand) in relation to other strategies, also the challenges presented by growing 4-fold in the space of a year
- Corbyn's Labour and its prospects for forming government and/or its ability to potentially productively disrupt the Brexiting "process" (such as it is)
- wtf is happening with the Canadian left
- wtf is happening in other places

Simon H., Thursday, 9 November 2017 14:57 (nine months ago) Permalink

oh and
- talk about what orgs yr involved with, if any!

Simon H., Thursday, 9 November 2017 14:58 (nine months ago) Permalink

Olympia WA just elected a fierce and principled homeless advocate, running for office for the first time, to the city council. She beat the incumbent, a real estate developer. This is fantastic news for a small city with an escalating housing crisis.

sciatica, Thursday, 9 November 2017 15:03 (nine months ago) Permalink

That is v cool! I was just reading about that.

On the more theoretical end, here's a centrist tackling the Corey Robin book on the history of conservative pols/thinkers

http://theweek.com/articles/735841/lefts-myopic-obsession-fairness

Simon H., Thursday, 9 November 2017 15:05 (nine months ago) Permalink

in the panel kingfish posted in the chapo thread Chibber argues that fascism only succeeds when there isn't a viable leftist alternative and that the right-wing drift in the West was a temporary phenomenon that is now receding as options like corbyn/sanders become more viable. i'm not so sure how that comports w/ his theory of ww2 (where he argues precisely the opposite - that the strength of the left is what led capital to throw its lot in with fascism) - these two ideas seem to be in tension. maybe he's just pushing for a middle ground - a left powerful enough to be a viable alternative to fascism for the downtrodden, and he's not too worried about labor challenging capital anytime soon since we're a long way off from another dictatorship of the proletariat.

Mordy, Thursday, 9 November 2017 15:07 (nine months ago) Permalink

On the front of "capital throwing its weight around" in the face of a strengthened left, I was heartened to see talk of Labour preparing to counteract capital flight should they ever take power

Simon H., Thursday, 9 November 2017 15:09 (nine months ago) Permalink

- wtf is happening with the Canadian left

Would appreciate any kind of discussion on this, even pointers to good news/commentary sources.

jmm, Thursday, 9 November 2017 15:15 (nine months ago) Permalink

idk how accurate this is but I don't think this is so much a left-wing "drift" as much as it is 18-35 year olds in this country realizing what happens when they don't vote

frogbs, Thursday, 9 November 2017 15:19 (nine months ago) Permalink

slash realizing they have no viable economic future under the current order

Simon H., Thursday, 9 November 2017 15:19 (nine months ago) Permalink

this moral foundations stuff that is deployed like a trump card in that damon linker article (& elsewhere) could do with some more discussion

ogmor, Thursday, 9 November 2017 15:38 (nine months ago) Permalink

CR definitely took notice of the review and will probably provide a rebuttal of some kind, I feel a bit out of my depth as I haven't read The Reactionary Mind

Simon H., Thursday, 9 November 2017 15:41 (nine months ago) Permalink

hate reading a whole book so i can pull it apart is where i draw the line

ogmor, Thursday, 9 November 2017 15:46 (nine months ago) Permalink

wrt haidt i mean

ogmor, Thursday, 9 November 2017 15:46 (nine months ago) Permalink

there's a pun in there somewhere

imago, Thursday, 9 November 2017 15:48 (nine months ago) Permalink

re: the Cdn left, my current summary would be "we're all watching to see what Jagmeet inevitably waffles on" and that our general terminal smugness is our biggest impediment. I haven't even noticed the Trudeau Paradise Papers stuff get much traction.

Simon H., Thursday, 9 November 2017 15:49 (nine months ago) Permalink

fwiw that article above is essentially my complaint about CR's book. it smooths out an awful lot of [to my mind] legitimate concerns of conservatism in order to make a moral argument. and esp a moral argument that is easily made in practically any situation - there is no ideology where you cannot find losers of the ideology being oppressed. iow there's no exclusively liberatory ideology cf the great Leftist States of the 20th century.

Mordy, Thursday, 9 November 2017 15:57 (nine months ago) Permalink

i just realized tho why are we talking about conservatism itt?

Mordy, Thursday, 9 November 2017 16:01 (nine months ago) Permalink

but the degree of inequality does vary. the fact that something can't be completely eliminated is no argument against reducing it

ogmor, Thursday, 9 November 2017 16:49 (nine months ago) Permalink

what i meant is that one could v easily make the argument that the left is about oppression and inequality and you can see bc every time there's a communist state they end up killing millions of ppl through the rigid enforcement of dogma. the question is always who is oppressing whom. now rightly you could argue that soviet + chinese communism should not be how we measure the motivations underlining leftism but then you can do the same for conservatism. my point is just that if you're looking to defame your political opponents on oppression grounds you'll have plenty of fodder no matter your ideology.

Mordy, Thursday, 9 November 2017 16:52 (nine months ago) Permalink

ha, i think real world examples are salient, but for what they tell you about power rather than what they tell you about ideology

ogmor, Thursday, 9 November 2017 17:05 (nine months ago) Permalink

I haven't even noticed the Trudeau Paradise Papers stuff get much traction.

Do you mean the stuff about Bronfman's offshore accounts? Was JT or the LPC directly implicated?

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Thursday, 9 November 2017 17:20 (nine months ago) Permalink

I imagine Canada will probably remain a country of milquetoast centrist liberalism for a while. We never drifted as far right as some of our allies and will probably not experience as intense of a left-wing backlash?

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Thursday, 9 November 2017 17:24 (nine months ago) Permalink

That said, there have been some legitimately good ideas coming from the NDP, especially Ashton (and the Greens). I'm eager to see more advocacy for things like a green energy transition Crown corporation, socialized finance options, socialized pharma care coverage, someone actually standing against more pipelines. In a minority govt situation, this Liberal govt might be more push-able than the last one.

An NDP provincial government may well be likely in SK, I think?

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Thursday, 9 November 2017 17:30 (nine months ago) Permalink

challops: soviet + chinese communism is actually right-wing

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 9 November 2017 17:32 (nine months ago) Permalink

That said, there have been some legitimately good ideas coming from the NDP, especially Ashton (and the Greens).

I (along with all the Marxist goons I roll w/) voted for Ashton even though she was disappointing on QC, hoping she remains a prominent voice for the party going forward. I really got the feeling she pushed the overall tenor of the leadership race significantly left.

Simon H., Thursday, 9 November 2017 17:54 (nine months ago) Permalink

Everything is an angry centrist overreaction to the last shit

Gary Synaesthesia (darraghmac), Thursday, 9 November 2017 17:58 (nine months ago) Permalink

Maybe this belongs more on the CDN politics thread, but curious to hear what other leftists/Canadians on this thread think.

I voted for Ashton and am definitely far to the left of Jagmeet, but from a tactical POV, do you think he may be - in an instrumental way - better for the medium to longer term prospects of the party insofar as he will likely be able to win over some of the more left(ish) or progressive people who voted for Trudeau in 2015 (and either moved more to the left since or have been disillusioned by the betrayal of campaign promises, etc.).

I know this way of thinking can lead to a slippery slope, but I wonder if his leadership of the party might help - to some degree - galvanize (or at least sustain some forward momentum for) the NDP in a way that an Ashton, Angus or Caron victory may have?

Federico Boswarlos, Thursday, 9 November 2017 20:53 (nine months ago) Permalink

I voted for Ashton but I don't think her platform would have been electorally successful, if I'm honest. But I am of the pessimistic view that liberal centrism is the best we can expect from a federal government in Canada and so the federal NDP can best function as a sort of parliamentary pressure group.

-_- (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 9 November 2017 21:07 (nine months ago) Permalink

Two huge problems for left politics in Canada: the national dependence on oil leads to a situation in which a large proportion of the public view the oil patch as a sacred cow which precludes widespread popularity for environmentalism which must be a pillar for any left-wing movement; another important part of any left movement in canada must be indigenous rights, decolonization, reconciliation. these ideas are given plenty of lip service in mainstream canadian discourse but anything that actually threatens entrenched interests or even, you know, calls a spade a spade - wrt the opprobrium that comes from many corners the second someone uses the words "settler colonialism" or "genocide" etc. - is anathema to a large proportion of the canadian population.

-_- (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 9 November 2017 21:13 (nine months ago) Permalink

I voted for Ashton and am definitely far to the left of Jagmeet, but from a tactical POV, do you think he may be - in an instrumental way - better for the medium to longer term prospects of the party insofar as he will likely be able to win over some of the more left(ish) or progressive people who voted for Trudeau in 2015 (and either moved more to the left since or have been disillusioned by the betrayal of campaign promises, etc.).

my concern is that his platform may not wind up distinct enough from the Libs for a significant number of voters to even consider jumping ship

Simon H., Thursday, 9 November 2017 21:14 (nine months ago) Permalink

and JiV otm, Canada is much more backwards than the US on these issues in some respects

Simon H., Thursday, 9 November 2017 21:14 (nine months ago) Permalink

On oil, possibly. I don't agree that the US is more progressive on aboriginal issues. Afaict, these barely even register as an issue on the national level in the US.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Thursday, 9 November 2017 21:19 (nine months ago) Permalink

Simon, that's totally a fair point, though I also wonder if Singh will be able to bring some amount of first-time voters to the NDP (I doubt it will be massive, but stil...) or people who had formerly been unaffiliated with any party. He may also be appealing to culturally conservative immigrant groups who vote PC (to generalize) and win over more votes.

Jim, yes, both are also two massive problems that any progressive force will have to reckon with and, in the near future, am not sure how they will be able to reconcile.

Federico Boswarlos, Thursday, 9 November 2017 21:31 (nine months ago) Permalink

Young/new voters are definitely where I'd be focusing on trying to mobilize if I were an NDP strategist, yeah.

Simon H., Thursday, 9 November 2017 21:34 (nine months ago) Permalink

I know Habermas has been progressively lurching to the centre over the course of his life, but even I'm quite surprised he wrote this glowing article on Macron.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/juergen-habermas-on-the-european-vision-of-emmanuel-macron-a-1174721.html

Federico Boswarlos, Friday, 10 November 2017 19:19 (nine months ago) Permalink

Fun with (American) history:

https://soundcloud.com/deadpundits/ep-34-the-democratic-party-the-left-w-adam-hilton

Dead Pundits Society - Ep. 34: The Democratic Party & the Left w/ Adam Hilton

Adam Hilton, visiting lecturer in Politics at Mount Holyoke College, is on the show to talk about the history of the Democratic Party and its interaction with the left. Can the Democratic Party be used as an instrument of socialist advance? And what is the nature of the Democratic Party, anyway? Tune in to find out.

Find some of Adam's writings here:
-"Bernie and the Search for New Politics," https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/06/bernie-president-unions-mcgovern
-"Searching for New Politics," https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/02/bernie-sanders-new-politics-democratic-party-realignment-primary

Google Murray Blockchain (kingfish), Friday, 10 November 2017 19:20 (nine months ago) Permalink

I know Habermas has been progressively lurching to the centre over the course of his life, but even I'm quite surprised he wrote this glowing article on Macron.

He seems to be using Macron as a stick to beat the German political establishment with. They need beating, but get a better stick.

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 10 November 2017 19:28 (nine months ago) Permalink

thanks for that kingfish, SPD is a reliably good cast even if I find the main guy mysteriously grating

Simon H., Friday, 10 November 2017 20:11 (nine months ago) Permalink

Proctor likes to stir shit for better or for worse but I enjoy his guests most of the time

Google Murray Blockchain (kingfish), Friday, 10 November 2017 22:42 (nine months ago) Permalink

One of the socialist candidates I can vote for in municipal elections later this month is named Charisma Fries. I might vote for her just for that reason. I will probably just vote for the party, though.

Frederik B, Friday, 10 November 2017 22:59 (nine months ago) Permalink

Sounds like the name of one of the bands on scott's Leftover College Radio Station Indie Rock Records thread

Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Friday, 10 November 2017 23:16 (nine months ago) Permalink

Latin America seen as part of the West? I think that's where the latest drift began. Different forms of a populist left to varying degrees in Venezuela, Bolivia, Brazil and so on. Its under tension - and in Brazil its collapsed to quite a dangerous situation for the environment..

xyzzzz__, Friday, 10 November 2017 23:32 (nine months ago) Permalink

On the front of "capital throwing its weight around" in the face of a strengthened left, I was heartened to see talk of Labour preparing to counteract capital flight should they ever take power

― Simon H., Thursday, 9 November 2017 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Due to Brexit capital flight could happen anyway. Business is practically telling Labour they could put up with a erm diminished influence and profits as long as Brexit is the softer option (access to the single market). That's an opening, of sorts, to bring more things to the forefront and keep those ppl on their toes.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 10 November 2017 23:36 (nine months ago) Permalink

skip to about 13:30 in the latest Trillbilly Workers' Party for a very good RL Stephens segment on DSA/American left stuff, particularly the old race/class question

https://soundcloud.com/user-972848621-463073718/episode-35-who-are-we-w-special-guest-rl-stephens

Simon H., Saturday, 11 November 2017 03:24 (nine months ago) Permalink

or 18:30ish if you're feeling impatient

Simon H., Saturday, 11 November 2017 03:29 (nine months ago) Permalink

this is all pretty dope imho

Good thread of what DSA has been up to this week. https://t.co/0mv1eo63k0

— Sturgeon's Law (@Sturgeons_Law) November 13, 2017

Simon H., Monday, 13 November 2017 04:53 (nine months ago) Permalink

not even the jokers in the PLP who're actively organizing inside the armed forces think they're gonna beat history's greatest superpower through open armed insurrection tomorrow, though. if there's a benefit to organizing in the armed forces it's one that works just as well for strategic nonviolent conflict, namely that you're moving the enactors of institutional power to your side within the institution itself, building quietly towards a time when the right political crisis will allow for a cleave of leading elements away from the will of the institution. if you ask me, though, that's not what PLP types have in mind.

the memey joke answer to your post, jim, is a smiling picture of ho chi minh & a link to that bonkers pastebin about launching protracted people's warfare from the everglades

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 27 July 2018 19:30 (two weeks ago) Permalink

being armed seemed to work out pretty well for the Malheur occupation, wonder why

sleeve, Friday, 27 July 2018 19:37 (two weeks ago) Permalink

bonkers pastebin about launching protracted people's warfare from the everglades

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, July 27, 2018 12:30 PM (thirty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

beg your pardon?

devops mom (silby), Friday, 27 July 2018 20:01 (two weeks ago) Permalink

retweets are not endorsements ok https://pastebin.com/FBRF3VhG

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 27 July 2018 20:42 (two weeks ago) Permalink

The struggle could begin with…establishing permanent camps in the swampiest, most isolated parts of the Everglades—areas seldom penetrated by tourists. This would not be difficult.

visionary

devops mom (silby), Friday, 27 July 2018 20:51 (two weeks ago) Permalink

truly a "how many levels of communism are you on" document

devops mom (silby), Friday, 27 July 2018 20:54 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Train the gators to be foot soldiers of the revolution

louise ck (milo z), Friday, 27 July 2018 21:00 (two weeks ago) Permalink

that is amazing

sleeve, Friday, 27 July 2018 21:02 (two weeks ago) Permalink

and like, the running bit on left twitter is investigating whether it's an extended joke or if there are actually like 3 dudes swimming through north florida right now with red hats on

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 27 July 2018 21:05 (two weeks ago) Permalink

in other news, this strikes me as a fair piece even if the people representing the no-endorse view are some of my least favorite online types

https://splinternews.com/the-democratic-socialists-of-america-s-cynthia-nixon-di-1827894468

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 27 July 2018 21:14 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Well, the Communist League of Tampa is a thing...

https://communistleaguetampa.org

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Friday, 27 July 2018 21:48 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Always nice to learn there are levels of online I'm not on

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Friday, 27 July 2018 22:34 (two weeks ago) Permalink

love too be in a popular front movement

https://i.imgur.com/yMgyu2K.png

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 27 July 2018 22:43 (two weeks ago) Permalink

i got invited to a friend's bbq on may day and thats when i learned they were down with PLP and im like GIRL nah (the copies of the challenge should've been my first clue)

21st savagery fox (m bison), Friday, 27 July 2018 22:59 (two weeks ago) Permalink

yo did i ever tell you about the time a PLP "cell" in San Antonio (this is actually what they called themselves) invited me to join their underground cadre and i left because i was so weirded out

my pals invited me to a party and then not long after i got there like the music stopped and everyone turned to face me and my bud was like "well we should probably tell you, we invited you to a party, but really, we wanted to invite you to join the party" and i was like uhhh i'll think about it

ultimately i broke with them because i was weirded out but also my friend was like "the black panthers were racist" and i was like gtfo im an anarchist now

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 27 July 2018 23:24 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Wow A+

devops mom (silby), Friday, 27 July 2018 23:25 (two weeks ago) Permalink

this is when i was barely 19 years old!! what a life

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 27 July 2018 23:27 (two weeks ago) Permalink

this should really go in the conservative opinions thread but the fact that a lot of young people are getting into leftist politics is great, but the amount of them - on the internet at least - who are getting into anti-revisionistt, marxist-leninism is a real downer

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 27 July 2018 23:29 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Way overrepresented online, imo

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Friday, 27 July 2018 23:30 (two weeks ago) Permalink

yo did i ever tell you about the time a PLP "cell" in San Antonio (this is actually what they called themselves) invited me to join their underground cadre and i left because i was so weirded out

my pals invited me to a party and then not long after i got there like the music stopped and everyone turned to face me and my bud was like "well we should probably tell you, we invited you to a party, but really, we wanted to invite you to join the party" and i was like uhhh i'll think about it

ultimately i broke with them because i was weirded out but also my friend was like "the black panthers were racist" and i was like gtfo im an anarchist now

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, July 27, 2018 6:24 PM (thirty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

is there more than one PLP group in SA bc im pretty sure this is the same group.

21st savagery fox (m bison), Saturday, 28 July 2018 00:04 (two weeks ago) Permalink

or, there are some people who were probably still in it back then that are in it now

21st savagery fox (m bison), Saturday, 28 July 2018 00:04 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Wild!!

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 28 July 2018 00:09 (two weeks ago) Permalink

On a related note, there’s a nice convo here between Derick Varn and JM Colón about this stuff, like DSA as a leftist org, how civility norms can work to prevent things from sliding into Leninist shit, all the culty sects that form, and, at one point, Bordiga.

http://zero-books.net/blogs/zero/symptomatic-redness-jm-colon-on-the-dsa/

(Plus they do give my own show a shout-out late in the episode)

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Saturday, 28 July 2018 00:25 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Leftist film youtuber Lindsey Ellis posted this(w/ the help of Natalie from ContraPoints)

Wish she hadn't gone for Adorno :/

Daniel_Rf, Saturday, 28 July 2018 08:31 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I liked this, from the end of this profile of McElwee and the Abolish ICe movement:

The prospect that Abolish ICE will continue to figure prominently during the midterms has lead to angst among Democrats over whether the stance will damage them with swing voters. A recent NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll found that 69% of Republican voters viewed the agency positively, while 63% of Democrats viewed it negatively.

“These activists have become incredible effective in forcing their issues to become litmus tests,” said one Democratic strategist working on several races the party is hoping to turn from red to blue. “We are in a weird position. We are all so certain we’re going to win that they are willing to ask for things no matter the jeopardy it puts candidates in.”

McElwee said that he thinks those fears have been overstated, and he will stake his future on midterm success. He requested that BuzzFeed News put this on the record: If the Democrats do not flip the House, he will stop writing about or engaging with politics.

“I think there has to be some sort of accountability, and I wish the people who supported the Iraq War had done this ahead of time,” he said. "If I’m that off in how I understand politics and my theories of change, I should just stop doing it.”

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/stevenperlberg/abolish-ice-sean-mcelwee

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Saturday, 28 July 2018 16:50 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I also wish the neocons had done that, but I don't think it's a good idea to stake your activism on whether some suburban Republicans finally stop voting like dickheads

the bhagwanadook (symsymsym), Saturday, 28 July 2018 19:09 (two weeks ago) Permalink

the gingrich cohort were all about term limits until they got in power and changed their mind. when mcelwee says these sorts of things in a world which enforces no consequences on blatant hypocrisy and lies, there's no cause to trust him.

Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Saturday, 28 July 2018 21:58 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Man, this campaign advert from Michigan is a helluva thing:

Thousands joined @BernieSanders and I yesterday as we called for a government for the people, by the people.

We are #DoneWaiting for that to be a reality. Tomorrow, we make our voices heard.

Hop on the 📞 TODAY so we can cross the finish line strong: https://t.co/0jj6eg8bwG pic.twitter.com/xuidWG8DJ6

— Abdul El-Sayed (@AbdulElSayed) August 6, 2018

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Tuesday, 7 August 2018 05:05 (one week ago) Permalink

I hope he does well - right now he seems to be polling in third among the Dem governor candidates

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Tuesday, 7 August 2018 12:15 (one week ago) Permalink

he had a decent line about that: "it's true, i'm not polling well among people who answer land lines in the middle of the day. the people we're reaching don't tend to be those people."

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 7 August 2018 15:16 (one week ago) Permalink

that's a killer ad

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 7 August 2018 15:18 (one week ago) Permalink

*bernie sanders and me

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 7 August 2018 16:31 (one week ago) Permalink

I voted for him today

joygoat, Tuesday, 7 August 2018 19:13 (one week ago) Permalink

Oh fuck I have a pointless and controversy-free primary I’m supposed to vote in, guess I’ll have to go to the dropbox

faculty w1fe (silby), Tuesday, 7 August 2018 19:31 (one week ago) Permalink

Looking rough for El-Sayed with 3% in

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Wednesday, 8 August 2018 00:52 (one week ago) Permalink

xp I threw a pointless vote to socialist and audiophile Steve Hoffman, can’t bring myself to vote Cantrell in a primary and it’s better than voting Goodspaceguy.

JoeStork, Wednesday, 8 August 2018 01:02 (one week ago) Permalink

cantwell

JoeStork, Wednesday, 8 August 2018 01:02 (one week ago) Permalink

Goodspaceguy’s got a beard now!

faculty w1fe (silby), Wednesday, 8 August 2018 01:26 (one week ago) Permalink

See you next cycle, Al-Sayed.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 8 August 2018 06:34 (one week ago) Permalink

Yeah, he's a born candidate. I daren't speculate yet just how much his name and religion hurt him.

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Wednesday, 8 August 2018 12:13 (one week ago) Permalink

On the plus side

BREAKING: Democratic Socialist @RashidaTlaib is the projected winner of #MI13. She will replace John Conyers and makes history on two fronts: she becomes both the first Muslim congresswoman and first Palestinian-American woman ever elected to Congress. https://t.co/g09MTbZ1gg

— Daniel Medina (@dmedin11) August 8, 2018

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Wednesday, 8 August 2018 12:26 (one week ago) Permalink

Counterpoint:

According to Israel lobby group ⁦@jstreetdotorg⁩, Michigan congressional candidate ⁦@RashidaTlaib⁩ supports “all current aid to Israel” – that means she supports the bullets & bombs used to kill Palestinian children and their parents in Gaza. https://t.co/TmvKfipDGx

— Ali Abunimah (@AliAbunimah) August 8, 2018

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Wednesday, 8 August 2018 18:10 (one week ago) Permalink

lmao calling JStreet an "Israel lobby group" as if it's not closer to JVP than AIPAC

faculty w1fe (silby), Wednesday, 8 August 2018 18:15 (one week ago) Permalink

Liz from Leeds is my nu-god

Last week when @AyoCaesar was on The Wright Stuff, Liz from Leeds rang in to explain communism and it was beautiful. 😍😍 pic.twitter.com/OJoCHicuey

— Novara Media (@novaramedia) August 9, 2018

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 9 August 2018 12:56 (six days ago) Permalink

novara crew are going to need a better line on the USSR etc. than that

ogmor, Thursday, 9 August 2018 13:01 (six days ago) Permalink

Are they?

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Thursday, 9 August 2018 13:09 (six days ago) Permalink

if only stalin had had more revolutionary zeal

ogmor, Thursday, 9 August 2018 13:21 (six days ago) Permalink

I don't really think it's up to present-day communists to answer for past regimes any more than it is present-day capitalists' job to answer for [insert major war or other foreign misadventure of your choice]. It's a dumb line of argumentation.

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Thursday, 9 August 2018 13:41 (six days ago) Permalink

I agree but that doesn't make no true scotsman arguments convincing

ogmor, Thursday, 9 August 2018 13:46 (six days ago) Permalink

liz from leeds i luv u

a space stewardess (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 9 August 2018 15:42 (six days ago) Permalink


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