on the whole i incline towards no
― mark s, Friday, 1 December 2017 16:50 (six years ago) link
however:
#BREAKING the government wants Martin Shkreli to hand over the Wu Tang album in forfeiture (!!!) pic.twitter.com/bOzWjlLeOx— David Mack (@davidmackau) December 1, 2017
To the extent that everyone eventually dies and thus stops doing bad things, yes.
― Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Friday, 1 December 2017 16:56 (six years ago) link
I'm white btw.
tfw entropy = justice
― hi i’m darren and i’m a bouncer from bendigo (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 1 December 2017 16:58 (six years ago) link
questionable
― j., Friday, 1 December 2017 17:00 (six years ago) link
contentious
― infinity (∞), Friday, 1 December 2017 17:01 (six years ago) link
Ridiculous enough question
Blue taupe is aiui the only thing the universe tends towards
― moyesery loves kompany (darraghmac), Friday, 1 December 2017 17:03 (six years ago) link
i think it bends toward justin bieber. kid isn't that talented but look at him go
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 1 December 2017 17:03 (six years ago) link
the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards D.A.N.C.E. y/n
― Embalming is a flirty business (DJP), Friday, 1 December 2017 17:04 (six years ago) link
https://dg7kra6zb39sn.cloudfront.net/media/spotlight/page/poster-b33d393f-6ebf-40ac-a648-7a9eee57900a.jpg
― infinity (∞), Friday, 1 December 2017 17:06 (six years ago) link
basically this was a set-up for the wu tang news, i don't actually care abt morals or justice
― mark s, Friday, 1 December 2017 17:10 (six years ago) link
^ this is the philosophically correct position, but most people are too weak-minded to accept it
― j., Friday, 1 December 2017 17:16 (six years ago) link
there is no arc. there isn't even a moral universe.
― Οὖτις, Friday, 1 December 2017 17:23 (six years ago) link
should have been a poll
― El Tomboto, Friday, 1 December 2017 17:30 (six years ago) link
if there was any justice in the ilxiverse there could be hundreds of US politics december threads, all thriving and peacefully coexisting
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 1 December 2017 18:05 (six years ago) link
THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE
― hi i’m darren and i’m a bouncer from bendigo (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 1 December 2017 18:05 (six years ago) link
there can be only one poll option
― Karl Malone, Friday, 1 December 2017 18:16 (six years ago) link
that's not what reinhold niebuhr would say iirc
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 1 December 2017 18:20 (six years ago) link
insert Herzog quote blank dead-eyed amorality of bears here
― Illegal Ethiopian Dance Music (Noodle Vague), Friday, 1 December 2017 18:52 (six years ago) link
bear say dead-eye hi to me
― mark s, Friday, 1 December 2017 18:54 (six years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/xeRnBi1.png
― the late great, Friday, 1 December 2017 18:58 (six years ago) link
man in augsburg lunatic asylum otm imo
― mark s, Friday, 1 December 2017 19:00 (six years ago) link
fyi that's from bernhard's "voice imitator"
― the late great, Friday, 1 December 2017 19:02 (six years ago) link
there isn't even a moral universe.
original quote was "moral arc", not "moral universe", which makes more sense.
What I see playing out over historical times is that the complications which arise from ever more complex and populous societies tend to outpace the ethical and moral frameworks within which those societies operate, but at some point the social strain caused by bad actors weakens the society to the point where it must reconfigure itself. The reconfiguration can come from social unrest and revolution, conquest by external forces, or in rare cases from peaceful and purposeful reform.
― A is for (Aimless), Friday, 1 December 2017 19:23 (six years ago) link
can u guys stop harshing our mellow
― infinity (∞), Friday, 1 December 2017 19:33 (six years ago) link
the arc of the moral arc is long
much clearer yes
― mark s, Friday, 1 December 2017 19:37 (six years ago) link
It's not a straightforward arc: there's backstory, flashforwards, and false narratives amidst the tropes and leitmotifs- and the risk of a possible deus ex machina at the end.
― Luna Schlosser, Friday, 1 December 2017 19:48 (six years ago) link
climate catastrophe will be our very rapidly approaching undoing, so whatever gains we see toward more just society will be permanently erased
― cosmic brain dildo (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 1 December 2017 19:53 (six years ago) link
the arc of the moral universe is long, with many a winding road.
― nickn, Friday, 1 December 2017 20:08 (six years ago) link
Universal climate catastrophe?
Can we keep some level of level-headedness itt please
― moyesery loves kompany (darraghmac), Friday, 1 December 2017 20:14 (six years ago) link
thread arc bends otherwise iirc
― mark s, Friday, 1 December 2017 20:19 (six years ago) link
#everGetTheFeelingYouveBeenCheated @ lack of poll option
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 1 December 2017 20:54 (six years ago) link
the moral shape of the universe is not really arc-like, it's more of a clusterfuck
― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Friday, 1 December 2017 20:56 (six years ago) link
that shape of the universe in fullhttp://bocktherobber.com.cdn.ie/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/penis.png
― hi i’m darren and i’m a bouncer from bendigo (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 1 December 2017 21:00 (six years ago) link
insert ‘milky way’ joke here
― hi i’m darren and i’m a bouncer from bendigo (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 1 December 2017 21:01 (six years ago) link
well, there's the NSFW alert in the thread title on it's way
― A is for (Aimless), Friday, 1 December 2017 21:03 (six years ago) link
Which end of the shape are we, exactly?
― Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 1 December 2017 21:07 (six years ago) link
are we at
tag yourself, i’m the third hair on the left ball working clockwise
― hi i’m darren and i’m a bouncer from bendigo (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 1 December 2017 21:08 (six years ago) link
not safe for arc
― mark s, Friday, 1 December 2017 21:11 (six years ago) link
top marks
― moyesery loves kompany (darraghmac), Friday, 1 December 2017 21:26 (six years ago) link
Top m-arcs, surely
― Google Murray Blockchain (kingfish), Friday, 1 December 2017 22:04 (six years ago) link
the m-arc of the oral universe is s
― mark s, Friday, 1 December 2017 22:09 (six years ago) link
the m-arc of the oral universe is long, but it bends towards just s
^^^
― mark s, Friday, 1 December 2017 22:10 (six years ago) link
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Top
Mark
S
― moyesery loves kompany (darraghmac), Friday, 1 December 2017 22:48 (six years ago) link
Watch the fold, keep your eye on the other hand
the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice
Just admit that the Justice League movie was pants and reboot the DCEU already.
― Zings Can Only Get Better (snoball), Friday, 1 December 2017 23:04 (six years ago) link
it bends towards destruction, imo!
― brimstead, Friday, 1 December 2017 23:13 (six years ago) link
I would go with 'y' because humankind is close to extinctioning itself, which is a pretty just development for the universe on the whole imho.
― Ripped Taylor (Old Lunch), Friday, 1 December 2017 23:49 (six years ago) link
truthfully, we might have another 10,000 years to run before the last human runs out of luck, but in geologic time that's pretty close to tomorrow. our present cushy way of life, where hardly anyone grows the food we eat, a million people fly places everyday at 500 mph, and there are billions of us, won't last anywhere near that long. but that's not the same as extinction.
― A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 2 December 2017 03:52 (six years ago) link
tbh im beginning to think it might be brightening up out there
― phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Saturday, 13 July 2019 23:32 (four years ago) link
really hope so, darraghmac
― Dan S, Saturday, 13 July 2019 23:49 (four years ago) link
What I can't parse properly is what constitutes "the moral universe" and why it is in the shape of an arc. In ballistics, the trajectory of an object describes an arc because it begins to lose energy, be captured by gravity, and falls back to earth.
History, too, is sometimes said to have an arc, but I have never really discerned a unified direction of any sort in history, except when it is viewed very parochially and across limited periods of time. As my view of history broadens to include more detail and more localities, the more meandering or chaotic it seems.
If the idea is that injustices eventually get addressed as more time passes, that seems broadly true, but it seems equally true that as more time passes, more new injustices arise and the social capacity to address them does not increase.
― A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 14 July 2019 02:14 (four years ago) link