the day after the deadline: can the union survive brexit and other deep questions

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electoral reform is even more of a "surely the grown-ups will now come and save us!!" move than "second referendum now": discuss

mark s, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 12:32 (one month ago) Permalink

Yes it will survive and Ruth Davidson will save it

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 12:35 (one month ago) Permalink

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mark s, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 12:36 (one month ago) Permalink

Do you mean the idea that whoever is in power* will be grown-up enough to say "Yes this system that got us here must go for the good of everyone - but probably not of us"? Or just that it will unleash further waves of swivel-eyed loons from every side.

* there is arguably no-one in power right now..

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 12:37 (one month ago) Permalink

it does seem like electoral reform could go a long way to provoking some meaningful change - the two parties contain multitudes of views that go too far along the political spectrum - a system which reduced their power and increased the chances of coalition, and led to more parties cropping up, would probably be good. but we've prob seen in recent years the strange suspicion of coalitions that exists in the uk and the perception that they are weak or a sign of a decadent state or whatever.

― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 12:21 (twelve minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Going to quote LocalGarda here because I feel what he's saying - but with the obvious caveat that we're both from a country that used an electoral system of beauty, nuance and power to elect the same shower of corrupt bastards in over and over for ever.

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 12:40 (one month ago) Permalink

no i mean the tendency -- which LG's post and yr affirmation of same dpn't really sidestep -- to pass the responsibility for significant change for the good onto a process that doesn't appear to have an agent (the "grown-ups" being the right-thinking people who will somehow to cause this to come about without it having to pass upwards through the extant political thingumajic you want to transform)

il a le pas de hors texte, as someone liked to say

mark s, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 12:45 (one month ago) Permalink

thingumajic is the slovenian for what the old norse used to call the þing

mark s, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 12:46 (one month ago) Permalink

No electoral reform when there won't be a country left to save.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 12:49 (one month ago) Permalink

xp surely both these things are inevitable given how dysfunctional a shitheap british politics has become. it's not representative enough to have actually good agents

ogmor, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 12:50 (one month ago) Permalink

By far the most politically significant thing in that Waterson tweet is the bit about Facebook. Things will profoundly change again when we really hit the social media backlash - not because of fake news or Trump or Russia or whatever, but just because the next generation think it's lame.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 12:53 (one month ago) Permalink

yes that's what i thought: that facebook and twitter are both OLD news (i mean, i'm on snapchat and friends with ppl who use it a LOT but it's more or less a closed book to me, and there's a micropolitics right there)

mark s, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 12:55 (one month ago) Permalink

Actually curious as to why Twitter is perceived as 'boring' in presumably a different way to 'ruined by our parents and big business' re Facebook. If there is a distinction.

If you're 17 you probably don't/shouldn't think of (your) media as not social by default so that term itself is dating speedily.

nashwan, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 13:09 (one month ago) Permalink

People spending a lot of time on Instagram were the first non-political people (in the sense that they’re not nerding on threads like us) I heard talking about the Labour surge (am not on Insta FWIW).

kim jong deal (suzy), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 13:13 (one month ago) Permalink

That sounds like my first option there, mark - there can be no saving grownups in this scenario except the MPs, who aren't well suited for the job - no-one is going to march for AV.

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 13:17 (one month ago) Permalink

interesting analysis (again irish academic) of what we can learn outcomes underlying tactics and strategy on all sides -- undermined a bit by annoying and smug rhetoric ("it is essential to analyse the motivations – more academically and more objectively", and also by bad style decision re the formating of dates (superscript -sts, -nds, -rds and -ths are the devil)

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2017/12/05/a-high-risk-game-of-chicken-is-being-played-over-the-irish-border/

mark s, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 13:59 (one month ago) Permalink

lol s/b "what we can learn ABOUT outcomes VIA underlying tactics and strategy on all sides"

mark s, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 14:02 (one month ago) Permalink

"They care about animals, it's disabled people they hate."

Or in Blairite Labour's case it was: "They care about foxes, it's The Iraqi people they hate."

it seems most of the UK are far more likely to get upset about animal welfare issues than atrocities committed against fellow humans, especially disabled or foreign peoples.

calzino, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 14:14 (one month ago) Permalink

Why do you think this is, Calzino? And is it a particularly British thing or common to all countries? (never lived anywhere else so genuinely don't know).

Grandpont Genie, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 14:25 (one month ago) Permalink

Don't think that's particularly different in any Western European country tbf. (with the exception of foxes, that is really your thing)

Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 14:40 (one month ago) Permalink

I don't think the UK population are particularly more susceptible to hate propaganda than other nations. But in recent times Blair kept the benefits scrounger rhetoric going for a high viz wearing Gideon to continue with. And in recent times it would easy to believe that much of the UK electorate are callous, hateful, xenophobic, racist etc. But I think that might be an exaggeration encouraged by far too many callous, hateful, xenophobic, racist politicians.

calzino, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 14:44 (one month ago) Permalink

i remember in the 80s having quite an unsettling conversation on the phone -- for a piece I was researching for Dylan Jones lol -- with a young woman from PETA in America, quizzing her about the argument that animals should of course be sacred but that people e.g. with spectacles, bcz unfit, should be herded to the Darwinian die-off, .

I said "but that includes me" and she said "so be it" (to be fair this was the correct response rhetorically to my manipulative gambit). Unsure if this was actual PETA doctrine at the time or since but the distinction being made was p stark. And is in some sense or other quite widespread.

mark s, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 14:45 (one month ago) Permalink

peta are equal parts stupid and stupid, there are a lot of far better animal advocate groups out there that don't just do hateful shit for stunts

faust apes (NickB), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 14:50 (one month ago) Permalink

EU official on DD's suggestion that whole of UK will align with EU regs. "The UK will not have any say on the decisions taken in Brussels and will basically implement them without having any influence over them... it makes the UK kind of a regulatory 'protectorate" of Brussels'".

— Daniel Boffey (@DanielBoffey) December 5, 2017

faust apes (NickB), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 14:56 (one month ago) Permalink

DD taking back contrololol

faust apes (NickB), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 14:57 (one month ago) Permalink

BANTZustan

mark s, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 14:58 (one month ago) Permalink

no i mean the tendency -- which LG's post and yr affirmation of same dpn't really sidestep -- to pass the responsibility for significant change for the good onto a process that doesn't appear to have an agent (the "grown-ups" being the right-thinking people who will somehow to cause this to come about without it having to pass upwards through the extant political thingumajic you want to transform)

i don't have to be able to implement the solution to suggest it, or to have an idea how it could come about. i'm just posting about the situation, i'm not putting myself in a position where i am the one to set the wheels in motion to solve it.

if we discounted all political views that pass responsibility for change onto a process that doesn't appear to have an agent we wouldn't be left with very many views imo.

we're both from a country that used an electoral system of beauty, nuance and power to elect the same shower of corrupt bastards in over and over for ever.

sort of true but every party bar sinn fein has been in power in my lifetime, and several independents have had sway as well for better or worse.

you could argue that "stops things getting done" or you could say it tempers the worst excesses of the bastards.

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 15:08 (one month ago) Permalink

not sure there's an argument against brexit that doesn't involve some level of condescension towards vast swathes of the electorate. what can you do when people vote for something which will fuck them over?

it's certainly not an endorsement of the current democratic system and it's arguably less patronising to suggest a new system of democracy than it is to suggest going out to people and teaching them why they should value the lives of people whose skin colour is different or whatever.

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 15:11 (one month ago) Permalink

tbf i wasn't saying that, i was saying that Remain needs to make more of a case for the awesomeness of the EU than they bothered doing during the referendum campaign

after "after cease to exist" (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 15:12 (one month ago) Permalink

cos "hey guys, everything's great, you want this to carry on forever, right?" didn't really cut it

after "after cease to exist" (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 15:13 (one month ago) Permalink

“what can you do when people vote for something which will fuck them over?”

Don’t put forth policy proposals that will fuck people over?

YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 15:14 (one month ago) Permalink

right, but we're past that point.

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 15:14 (one month ago) Permalink

fair enough LG -- i'm not exactly out manning picket lines myself here -- but i think it's a baked-in weakness of arguments for (and via) electoral reform, that they always seems to elide agency or (which is the same thing) trust in some slightly magical top-down institution to take charge of the process, which (to me)* makes ER quite a bad element to focus on or to foreground

*confessing: it's a bugbear, not least bcz step two is always a unresolvable stand-up drag-out fight between minutely distinct kinds of AV or STV or whatever, that causes the rest of the world's eyes to roll as they glaze over

mark s, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 15:15 (one month ago) Permalink

i'd guess most brexiteers don't believe they will be fucked over, especially the people who are already fucked over. scratch that, those peeps don't really vote. it's the tier above them that are kinda paranoid about going back to being fucked over or have learned to believe that the only reason they're not fucked over is because of their own rugged individualism.

after "after cease to exist" (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 15:16 (one month ago) Permalink

yeah i mean it is essentially saying "some powerful people" need to reshape democracy. but a lot of discussions in recent months have had this element to them - eg the idea that brexit should never have gone to a public vote.

we sort of rely on a fair democratic system to shape its own rules or reform them, maybe that doesn't work or ever happen. maybe that's what we're seeing in america, uk etc, the idea that only a few people actually know the inner workings of these systems and they are all establishment politicians or academics - the rest might want to change the system but have no idea what that means, and are never offered the chance to do so apart from these roundabout tassels that bob above their head every now and again, not intended for that purpose but ripped down as a way of changing something.

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Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 15:19 (one month ago) Permalink

i mean fundamentally -- and this is the root of my politics i suppose -- i think meaningful transformation of the "system" for the better is just no longer going to be top-down tinkering with the machinery: for a variety of reasons, we've moved out beyond the end of the technocratic era (which began with bismarck-gladstone and ended maybe with blair-obama) -- which is also why the "mass education project" is a non-starter, yes, practically or politically

(something like this *did* exist back in the age of empire, bcz it was consonant with the structures and flows of empire -- but the structures and flows are really really different now, in whatever the current era is)

anyway, beyond saying "it must come from below to be meaningful" and "and actually it WILL come from below whether we accept it or not" and then flourishing my red flag dramatically, i don't really have much idea what "it" is actually going to be (except that it could be quite a bad "it" if nice ppl don't involve themselves)

mark s, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 15:28 (one month ago) Permalink

have learned to believe that the only reason they're not fucked over is because of their own rugged individualism

see i think this is a commonly stated belief, that is deep down not believed at all: its most aggressive defenders have often simultaneously internalised serious but unspeakable self-blaming assumptions about their own uselessness

i derive this insight from watching the apprentice feat.sir a.sugar obv

mark s, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 15:34 (one month ago) Permalink

baron sugar i mean

mark s, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 15:34 (one month ago) Permalink

well you know i don't really count those dorks as fully human

after "after cease to exist" (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 15:36 (one month ago) Permalink

"i got where i am today thru the sweat of my own brow" is a pretty common working class trope as well as lol entrepreneurs

after "after cease to exist" (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 15:37 (one month ago) Permalink

which brings us back to Baron Harkonnen i guess

after "after cease to exist" (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 15:37 (one month ago) Permalink

Remain needs to make more of a case for the awesomeness of the EU than they bothered doing during the referendum campaign

I don't buy this really. It suggests there actually WAS a better way for the status quo to have been sold (or resold) to various sceptics and, pessimistically or cynically, I don't think in practice that was feasible (without getting into more general issues like how the Tories like to govern).

nashwan, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 15:38 (one month ago) Permalink

prob like 9 out of 10 people think this way, either fully or to an extent.

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Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 15:38 (one month ago) Permalink

yeah that doesn't feel like an overestimate, even if you're trust fund scum you probly like to kid yourself that you're worth it

after "after cease to exist" (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 15:40 (one month ago) Permalink

as a trope, i think it's very often a psychic defence against deep unstated belief in one's own weakness and (same thing ) unworthiness -- hence the outfacing rage that cocoons it

no one is fully human: those dorks are collective manifestations of the most problematic of all the symptoms we share

mark s, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 15:41 (one month ago) Permalink

👉🏽 i'm fired

mark s, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 15:41 (one month ago) Permalink

i dunno if people can function without some sense of "i am who i am because of choices i make"

and to some extent it must be true for everyone, tho not maybe in the ways they think.

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 15:42 (one month ago) Permalink

"i could be who i could be because of choices i must now make" is the lifeline

mark s, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 15:48 (one month ago) Permalink

what are examples of bottom up change in british political history and why couldn't it happen wrt electoral reform?

ogmor, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 15:55 (one month ago) Permalink

Civil war; repeal of the corn laws; agitation in the colonies against being colonies. Electoral reform followed from all of them, but the form it took was not predetermined or even the primary motor of the change.

I mean. maybe a mass movement could be formulated round electoral reform (like the suffragettes): but you'd need a structural change first, for it to be meaningful; for it to "take" (suffragettes achieved their goals as a consequence of the social changes wrought by WW1).

mark s, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 16:03 (one month ago) Permalink

It's very possible that Brexit brings just that major upheaval (so far ofc it hasn't actually happened) that could mean the occurrence of structural changes.

Can't see anything like 2nd ref, not least bcz Europe has huge problems the likes of Juncker don't care and are perhaps unable to solve.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 16:12 (one month ago) Permalink

he really has just wandered into work after having a vivid dream last night hasn't he?

hell is auteur people (Noodle Vague), Friday, 19 January 2018 11:04 (two days ago) Permalink

it's entirely possible he was sleepwalking at the time of his comments

grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 19 January 2018 11:05 (two days ago) Permalink

never let it be said he's not an ideas man

hell is auteur people (Noodle Vague), Friday, 19 January 2018 11:06 (two days ago) Permalink

boldly looking beyond the economic dissolution of Brexit to a bridge-based powerhouse

hell is auteur people (Noodle Vague), Friday, 19 January 2018 11:08 (two days ago) Permalink

if anything it's kinda impressive that in his years of blue-sky thinking he's not once come up with one good idea

honestly, what are the odds

grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 19 January 2018 11:09 (two days ago) Permalink

we could spend all the money saved by brexit by driving this bus back to europe

faust apes (NickB), Friday, 19 January 2018 11:15 (two days ago) Permalink

this kind of thoughtless fuckwittery confirms the Nincompoopolis portrayal of Boris, not that there was ever any doubt.

"With his achievements he showed us all that massive privilege, leaping ambition, no concern for detail and a wasp’s attention span needn’t hold you back when it comes to creating terrible architecture."

calzino, Friday, 19 January 2018 11:27 (two days ago) Permalink

if he really wants to get to galaxy brain why not just fill in the channel

ogmor, Friday, 19 January 2018 11:33 (two days ago) Permalink

fuck blue passports, I say bring back doggerland

ogmor, Friday, 19 January 2018 11:34 (two days ago) Permalink

Jet packs for everyone.

Whiney Houston (Tom D.), Friday, 19 January 2018 11:36 (two days ago) Permalink

I tentatively support electric hydrofoil shuttles between Folkestone and Boulogne.

nashwan, Friday, 19 January 2018 11:42 (two days ago) Permalink

not gonna lie, i'd fucking love a jetpack and only partially because of the suicide-bombing potential it offers

grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 19 January 2018 11:42 (two days ago) Permalink

'Migrant crosses Channel by drone' is a headline I expect to see before 2020.

nashwan, Friday, 19 January 2018 11:47 (two days ago) Permalink

not a tech-type in general but I wonder if over the next 100 years it might totally undermine border control

ogmor, Friday, 19 January 2018 11:50 (two days ago) Permalink

one would think that BoJo would steer clear of all things bridge-related given the outcome of his last foray in that area

Thomas NAGL (Neil S), Friday, 19 January 2018 11:54 (two days ago) Permalink

i think you're giving boris too much credit for thoughtfulness there

grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 19 January 2018 11:56 (two days ago) Permalink

He just goes for any fucking shit that can be alliterated with 'Boris', it's why the airport island was such a dismal failure.

It's probably not especially compatible with the government's pledges to send 'em back at Calais either.

Matt DC, Friday, 19 January 2018 11:59 (two days ago) Permalink

UK Shipping OTM

Building a huge concrete structure in the middle of the world’s busiest shipping lane might come with some challenges. https://t.co/jYD5O8B19W

— UK Shipping (@ukshipping) January 18, 2018

Thomas NAGL (Neil S), Friday, 19 January 2018 12:40 (two days ago) Permalink

where's your plucky can-do blitz spirit, uk shipping? it's this kind of obstructionism which burble blah zzzzz

grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 19 January 2018 12:54 (two days ago) Permalink

it will be a symbolic drawbridge
and we will raise it up on the day of our glorious brexit
two fingers to johnny foreigner

faust apes (NickB), Friday, 19 January 2018 12:58 (two days ago) Permalink

it's this kind of Marxist kvetching from the shipping industry that makes it so important to replace all ships with lorries. huge, huge lorries.

hell is auteur people (Noodle Vague), Friday, 19 January 2018 12:58 (two days ago) Permalink

typical politically correct Remoaning we've come to expect from the representatives of multinational freight and logistics corporations

Thomas NAGL (Neil S), Friday, 19 January 2018 13:12 (two days ago) Permalink

hull to tyboron, what can possibly go wrong

http://ounodesign.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/TheBridgeBronBroentitlesbridge.png

mark s, Friday, 19 January 2018 13:18 (two days ago) Permalink

(s/b thyborøn)

mark s, Friday, 19 January 2018 13:19 (two days ago) Permalink

Aw, I like the idea of massive bridges joining places. Fuck the Tories having anything to do with it, of course.

Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Friday, 19 January 2018 13:34 (two days ago) Permalink

engineers on the today programme this morning speculated on two bridges to artificial islands in the channel (with duty-free shopping) and a tunnel between the two islands.

koogs, Friday, 19 January 2018 13:46 (two days ago) Permalink

D'Apres H G Wells > pic.twitter.com/oImDoY6XLK

— Greg Hallsworth (@GregHallsworth) January 18, 2018

tho

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 19 January 2018 13:48 (two days ago) Permalink

The bojack horseman idea of a bridge from the continental USA to Hawaii appeals to me.

Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Friday, 19 January 2018 13:48 (two days ago) Permalink

there was a classic Onion headline about the DEA finding and seizing a half-built bridge from Bogota to Miami

hell is auteur people (Noodle Vague), Friday, 19 January 2018 14:03 (two days ago) Permalink

Are Lumley and Heatherwick on board?

Dan Worsley, Friday, 19 January 2018 14:13 (two days ago) Permalink

Boris Johnson, u got Maersked.

Matt DC, Friday, 19 January 2018 14:14 (two days ago) Permalink

engineers on the today programme this morning speculated on two bridges to artificial islands in the channel (with duty-free shopping) and a tunnel between the two islands.

so much media energy being expended today on badgering academics to comment on the feasibility of the idea as if boris hadn't just farted it out with no prior forethough and it deserved serious consideration

grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 19 January 2018 14:14 (two days ago) Permalink

the blood sausage bridge, I like it

droit au butt (Euler), Friday, 19 January 2018 14:30 (two days ago) Permalink

there's something escher-like abt the picture andrew posted: do can the bus get all its wheels on the wire at once?

mark s, Friday, 19 January 2018 14:34 (two days ago) Permalink

It is just a cardboard facade - one either side of the tandem, for stability and disguise.

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 19 January 2018 14:48 (two days ago) Permalink

lol i love the idea of building approx 120 eiffel towers across the sea in order to support the passage of ca. 25 people at a time in a wobbly cable car

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 19 January 2018 15:52 (two days ago) Permalink

stephen bush is bad now

I wouldn’t kick him out of bed.

— Stephen Bush (@stephenkb) January 19, 2018

||||||||, Friday, 19 January 2018 16:10 (two days ago) Permalink

click through for context

||||||||, Friday, 19 January 2018 16:10 (two days ago) Permalink

ew

Heavy Messages (jed_), Friday, 19 January 2018 16:20 (two days ago) Permalink

the dead Ben Bradlee is looking more handsome than that fucker.

calzino, Friday, 19 January 2018 17:15 (two days ago) Permalink

hey if you’re into bawheids with cold dead eyes and a contemptuous sneer you couldn’t ask for more

http://westbridgfordwire.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Bradley.jpg

grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 19 January 2018 17:20 (two days ago) Permalink

I'd guess he's probably trolling him, because he is likely to be strongly homophobic.

calzino, Friday, 19 January 2018 17:25 (two days ago) Permalink

Isn’t Ben Bradley missing a trick in relation to castrating the poor (‘Vasectomies for jobless’ MP to keep job as Tory’s youth chair, 18 January)? If they are allowed to breed, the progeny could be sold as an excellent source of meat.
Roy Creamer
Rotherham, South Yorkshire

You didn't tell us you lived in Rotherham, bizarro.

calzino, Friday, 19 January 2018 17:33 (two days ago) Permalink

next time i’ll use a pseudonym less obvious than ‘roy creamer’, i’ll tell u that much

grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 19 January 2018 18:43 (two days ago) Permalink

You're gonna tell me that isn't actually al murray pub landlord aren't you

remember the lmao (darraghmac), Friday, 19 January 2018 23:56 (two days ago) Permalink

ben bradley one of those people all of whose features seem to occupy a v small circumference of space on his head. sure an actual artist who can draw (v much not me) will tell me actually this is all people actually, but a combination of the broadness of his heid in that pic and the hair makes the effect q striking.

Fizzles, Saturday, 20 January 2018 08:27 (yesterday) Permalink

also two not one TWO of the most staggering stupid centrist respect your betters pieces from who would have guessed it marr and jenkins in the last 24hrs have assaulted me.

this marr piece was lying open on the tube seat next to me: where his grate brane manages to combine in one piece his keen expertise in history with his shrewd eye for contemporary culture in a “know your place proles!” piece:

Basic civility and respect must prevail over the rule of the mob, The reign of Charles I shows that the 17th- century’s version of angry social media led to bloody violence

and today simon jenkins has come up with an absolute thing of beauty, where he refers to “the silence of the rational centre”, a phrase worth memorising for its apparent blind faith in a void and its deafness to the sheer noise these apparently silent fuckers make everywhere all the time all the time.

Fizzles, Saturday, 20 January 2018 08:37 (yesterday) Permalink

Marr's head goes second when we thin these cunts out

hell is auteur people (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 20 January 2018 13:56 (yesterday) Permalink

just filed a new patent pic.twitter.com/JTheWxsa3T

— leon 🌨 (@leyawn) May 4, 2017

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 20 January 2018 16:03 (yesterday) Permalink


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