the day after the deadline: can the union survive brexit and other deep questions

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Whew!

Mark G, Monday, 5 March 2018 18:57 (six years ago) link

Made worse by the fact that the dog had died 25 years earlier.

Heavy Messages (jed_), Monday, 5 March 2018 19:00 (six years ago) link

only good Tory

Under the influence of the Ranters (Noodle Vague), Monday, 5 March 2018 19:01 (six years ago) link

Dumfriesshire, Clydesdale and Tweeddale is their only safe Scottish seat.

Tom Tugendhat is class of 2015, scandal-free and probably a lot more attractive to swing voters than many candidates more popular than the membership. However, you can imagine there’d be a lot of friction over anointing someone so new over names who’ve held Cabinet and ministerial positions. Sharivari’s not wrong about him - just not now, imo: https://www.conservativehome.com/highlights/2017/09/profile-tom-tugendhat-successful-insurgent-and-a-possible-future-tory-leader.html

From the same intake, James Cleverly is more popular with the party and with the membership, but I can’t see either of them getting to the final two, even with a split vote.

gyac, Monday, 5 March 2018 19:10 (six years ago) link

He seems like an almost sentient version of Dan Jarvis.

calzino, Monday, 5 March 2018 19:12 (six years ago) link

I'd already backed JRM at 10-1 last year, then put 20 on Thornberry at 50-1. Figured if JRM doesn't do a challenge and May lasts the distance and Corbyn cba in 2022...

anvil, Monday, 5 March 2018 19:22 (six years ago) link

Nor did he suffer the handicap of having been to Eton, which would have exposed him to the charge of being a toff. He was educated at St Paul’s School

imago, Monday, 5 March 2018 19:24 (six years ago) link

Devout Catholic but Islamic Studies graduate and went to fight in the Middle East. Can we have one fucking leader who isn't a fucking Crusader

imago, Monday, 5 March 2018 19:26 (six years ago) link

You guys are making me worry I've backed the wrong horsecunt

anvil, Monday, 5 March 2018 19:27 (six years ago) link

Having a PM who's a Catholic would be a first.

Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Monday, 5 March 2018 19:28 (six years ago) link

“He would be a much, much better candidate,” Rees-Mogg on Tuesday assured ConHome. “I’m a founder member of Tugmentum.”

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 5 March 2018 19:29 (six years ago) link

ok please that become a word

mark s, Monday, 5 March 2018 19:33 (six years ago) link

Xp, first since 2007 certainly.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Monday, 5 March 2018 19:33 (six years ago) link

Admittedly St Paul's graduates not being thought of as toffs is good news for some of us

imago, Monday, 5 March 2018 19:34 (six years ago) link

(digressive toff-adjacent info on alec douglas-home -- to spell him correctly this time -- and being a PM who's also a lord: House of Lords Reform )

mark s, Monday, 5 March 2018 19:41 (six years ago) link

(xxp) He wasn't a Catholic when he was PM, unless he was lying about when he became one... oh right, I see the flaw in that statement.

Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Monday, 5 March 2018 19:42 (six years ago) link

Mike Small

15 Things the Snow Taught Us:

1. Our food system is really fragile, broken, and dysfunctional on multiple levels. Some people have just realised this. We are Nine Meals from Anarchy. [http://neweconomics.org/2008/11/nine-meals-anarchy/]

2. People need a total immersive experience that affects everyone to come to their senses, to take a pause, to begin to notice.

3.There are things that are more fun than your phone.

4. Community isn’t dead and we long for more of it.

5. Some people are really selfish.

6. The rural world is different from the urban world.

7. Nature still exists.

8. Cities with a lot fewer cars would be much better places to live in.

9. People are quite annoying if you have to spend a lot of time with them.

10. The Zombie Apocalypse smells of Almond Milk.

11. Work isn’t everything.

12. Climate change isn’t something that will happen one day in the future.

13. Netflix isn’t as good as you thought.

14. We’re not in control of everything. We’re not really in control of anything.

15. We drink too much milk.

https://medium.com/@mik…/news-from-the-red-zone-ec1275807a4e

Heavy Messages (jed_), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 15:23 (six years ago) link

3.There are things that are more fun than your phone.

10. The Zombie Apocalypse smells of Almond Milk.

13. Netflix isn’t as good as you thought.

lol what a cock

mark s, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 15:31 (six years ago) link

haha.

ok 1, 4, 12 & 14

Heavy Messages (jed_), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 15:32 (six years ago) link

are good.

Heavy Messages (jed_), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 15:32 (six years ago) link

fair tho did anyone think community WAS dead? (apart from mr "selfies are satan" here)

mark s, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 15:35 (six years ago) link

i take your point but he lost me at 3

Under the influence of the Ranters (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 15:36 (six years ago) link

xp

Under the influence of the Ranters (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 15:36 (six years ago) link

society is on a sled!

imago, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 15:37 (six years ago) link

but then a tween social media enabler kicked the sled over for views, and now society is back in the gutter

imago, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 15:38 (six years ago) link

the revolution will not be twee-revised

Under the influence of the Ranters (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 15:41 (six years ago) link

1. Our food system is really fragile, broken, and dysfunctional on multiple levels. Some people have just realised this. We are Nine Meals from Anarchy. [http://neweconomics.org/2008/11/nine-meals-anarchy/] - sounds not unreasonable

2. People need a total immersive experience that affects everyone to come to their senses, to take a pause, to begin to notice. - broad generalization but ok

3.There are things that are more fun than your phone. - subjective taste

4. Community isn’t dead and we long for more of it. - broadly agree but subjective generalization

5. Some people are really selfish. - maybe but so waht?

6. The rural world is different from the urban world. - idiot dichotomy

7. Nature still exists. - idiot use of "nature"

8. Cities with a lot fewer cars would be much better places to live in. - yeah but so what?

9. People are quite annoying if you have to spend a lot of time with them. - maybe if YOU have to spend a lot of time with them

10. The Zombie Apocalypse smells of Almond Milk. - fuck off zombies

11. Work isn’t everything. - this will come as a newsflash to millions of people doing shitty jobs that they hate

12. Climate change isn’t something that will happen one day in the future. - no shit

13. Netflix isn’t as good as you thought. - subjective opinion

14. We’re not in control of everything. We’re not really in control of anything. - vague philosophically subjective bullshit

15. We drink too much milk. - in your opinion, pal

Under the influence of the Ranters (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 15:45 (six years ago) link

I smell a poll

Google Atheist (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 15:47 (six years ago) link

community is shit and i want less

ogmor, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 15:50 (six years ago) link

more milk less community

mark s, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 15:51 (six years ago) link

Milk is bad not good.

Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 16:05 (six years ago) link

i'll defend to the death somebody's right to not like it but

Under the influence of the Ranters (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 16:21 (six years ago) link

i dodn't know if this has anything to do with the snow and or what, but i walked into the gents at work today and there were five honeybees buzzing around the light fitting on the ceiling. how the heck did they get into that horrible windowless shithole? why on earth were they there? i went back two hours later and they were all lying dead on the floor

i'm surprised to see your screwface at the door (NickB), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 16:57 (six years ago) link

damn these fumbling phone fingers

i'm surprised to see your screwface at the door (NickB), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 16:58 (six years ago) link

belongs on the 'real england' thread imo

bathed and ready for a snack (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 17:00 (six years ago) link

real england is a dead moth floating over the spat chewing gum and the pube-clad pineapple chunks in a blocked pub urinal

i'm surprised to see your screwface at the door (NickB), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 17:15 (six years ago) link

global warming's terrifying new moth

imago, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 17:15 (six years ago) link

:)

Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 17:18 (six years ago) link

I drink too much milk for sure. It's delicious. I knew as soon as I posted that that it was a shot idea but fair play. I just needed a bit of community interaction!

Heavy Messages (jed_), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 17:20 (six years ago) link

*terrifying loo moth

bugger

imago, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 17:22 (six years ago) link

jfc that list

scotti pruitti (wins), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 17:25 (six years ago) link

Things the snow taught us

1. Wear sunscreen.

scotti pruitti (wins), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 17:25 (six years ago) link

how the heck did they get into that horrible windowless shithole?
Hibernation? I remember getting stung by a wasp one December in similar circumstances. They come out when the weather warms up and crawl around sluggishly. Easy to swat - or step on, in my case.

gyac, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 17:47 (six years ago) link

I have not been worried about the state deficit for sometime, ever since Mr Brown found out that the UK state can literally print money to pay its bills. Mr Osborne, originally a critic of this in opposition, then discovered its charms in office as well. It turned out to have no adverse consequences on shop price inflation, though of course it caused massive price inflation in government bonds, because it was accompanied by severe pressure against bank lending to the private sector to avoid an inflationary blow off. I always adjust the outstanding debt by the £435 bn the state has bought up, as this is in no sense a debt we owe. So our government borrowing level (excluding future state pensions which some here worry about and which have always been pay as you go out of taxation) is modest by world standards at around 65% of GDP, and at current interest rates is affordable.

Most of the state debt we owe to each other anyway. The government owes it to taxpayers who own the debt in their pension funds and insurance policies. The state can always raise enough money to pay the donestic bills backed by the huge powers to tax, and as we have just seen when credit expansion and inflation are low it can also use liquidity created by the monetary authorities.

Here's John Redwood just casually demolishing the entire case for austerity in two paragraphs on his blog.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 11:49 (six years ago) link

re the bees: given the number, it's quite likely there's a small nest somewhere in the outer wall of your building -- that's not an unusual location. they choose spaces where bricks or even just bits of mortar have fallen out -- which can also give access to the gaps and spaces within

and of course bees are small (as you possibly knew already) and can easily crawl through the interstitials of the building, particularly the gaps that allow electrical cables through internal walls and ceilings. like wasps, they will crawl towards the warm and then assume they're nicely outside at a better time of year for a while

mark s, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 12:04 (six years ago) link

t/s bees and wasps vs John Redwood

Under the influence of the Ranters (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 12:11 (six years ago) link

i vote we lock john redwood in a perspex box with thousands of bees and wasps and let nature decide the victor

War, Famine, Pestilence, Death, Umami (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 12:23 (six years ago) link

We would all be the winner

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 12:29 (six years ago) link

Turner Prize imo.

Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 12:30 (six years ago) link


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