the day after the deadline: can the union survive brexit and other deep questions

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The 'London now has more murders than New York' story doing the rounds really is laughable pro-Tory propaganda ahead of the elections. But perhaps it will 'work'.

nashwan, Monday, 2 April 2018 17:40 (six years ago) link

Corbyn nearly won the election by hammering the point home about police cuts by T. May costing the public dearly.

suzy, Monday, 2 April 2018 18:12 (six years ago) link

‘vote for us, the law-and-order party who slashed police budgets, presided over a rising murder rate, and bungled security so badly that suspects on our watch list attacked major english cities repeatedly’

someone’s burgling my miscellanea (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 2 April 2018 18:13 (six years ago) link

or what suzy said

someone’s burgling my miscellanea (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 2 April 2018 18:14 (six years ago) link

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/apr/02/stop-jeremy-corbyns-trial-by-media-over-antisemitism?CMP=share_btn_tw

"It is not “whataboutery” to suggest that the debate on antisemitism has been framed in such a way as to mystify the real sources of anti-Jewish bigotry and instead to weaponise it against a single political figure just ahead of important elections."

40 senior academics condemn media bias against Corbyn and its coverage of antisemitism.

calzino, Monday, 2 April 2018 19:26 (six years ago) link

I know anything involving Lilico is fish-in-a-barrel stuff, but this is amazing, he might as well have included the expanding brain meme picture himself to save time

https://i.imgur.com/0SkeOGC.png

soref, Monday, 2 April 2018 19:30 (six years ago) link

Not familiar with Andrew Lilico - Is this nonsense part of the old "we mostly like people like us, and if the arabs and orientals are sending their kids to the right schools then we'll grudgingly accept them" thing or is he a fucking idiot, or both?

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 2 April 2018 19:35 (six years ago) link

andrew lolico, call him by his name </mark s>

someone’s burgling my miscellanea (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 2 April 2018 19:35 (six years ago) link

but yeah even by his standards that is a bracingly hot take

someone’s burgling my miscellanea (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 2 April 2018 19:36 (six years ago) link

maybe somebody got him a Jordan Peterson book for Easter

bad left terf nut (Noodle Vague), Monday, 2 April 2018 19:40 (six years ago) link

ooh look Unite have done some of the groundwork for him, maybe have a flick through: https://www.unitetheunion.org/uploaded/documents/(JN7434)%20A4%20Tory%20Racism%20Brochure%20SIN11-26629.pdf

bad left terf nut (Noodle Vague), Monday, 2 April 2018 19:41 (six years ago) link

In August 2011, Tory Dover councillor Bob Frost described people involved in the riots as
“jungle bunnies”.
He lost his job as a Maths teacher, but the Conservative Party only suspended him for two months,
readmitting him in November 2011.
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In 2014, he referred to the prospective Middle Eastern buyers of Dover port as “sons of camel
drivers”
14
. No disciplinary action was taken and Tory MP Charlie Elphicke defended him, saying
“I think the Labour Party is trying to victimise Cllr Frost.”
In May 2015, Cllr Frost was in trouble again for tweeting that a Big Issue seller should "f**k off
back to Romania".
He was suspended pending investigation.

bad left terf nut (Noodle Vague), Monday, 2 April 2018 19:42 (six years ago) link

A Labour MP has apologised for making "deeply offensive" racist and homophobic remarks at a Burns Night celebration.

Hugh Gaffney said he would attend equality and diversity training following the revelation he joked about Scottish poet Robert Burns being "bent".

Giving the traditional 'Immortal Memory' at a Scottish Labour students event on Saturday, Mr Gaffney claimed Burns told "lads and lassies he was not bent".

He also laughed about being at home and eating a "chinky".

bad left terf nut (Noodle Vague), Monday, 2 April 2018 19:43 (six years ago) link

hefty dossier there!

calzino, Monday, 2 April 2018 19:44 (six years ago) link

god i could go on all night this is some next level white sunglasses shit

bad left terf nut (Noodle Vague), Monday, 2 April 2018 19:45 (six years ago) link

tbh the pov that Lolico expresses there is implicit in a lot of the right-wing takes on anti-semitism in Labour, so I guess kudos to him for actually coming out and saying it explicitly therefore showing how ridiculous it is?

soref, Monday, 2 April 2018 19:52 (six years ago) link

saying the quiet part loud is like lilico's superpower

someone’s burgling my miscellanea (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 2 April 2018 19:53 (six years ago) link

"In April 2016, Tory peer Baroness Warsi wrote, in relation to the London mayoral campaign of
Zac Goldsmith, “the right needs to weed out its Islamophobes ... Dog-whistle nasty politics is
damaging the UK"

Warsi never managed to get ahead, she didn't learn to be a quiet 2nd gen Asian Tory when racist dog-whistle was used. I mean she is probably a quite right wing and small c Con, but that's not nasty enough for this lot.

calzino, Monday, 2 April 2018 20:00 (six years ago) link

new bear grylls show is something

||||||||, Monday, 2 April 2018 21:04 (six years ago) link

How so? Please divulge to save me watching the muscular God-botherer.

suzy, Monday, 2 April 2018 21:18 (six years ago) link

going to sprout some good thinkpieces this no doubt

One group of high-earning professionals. One group living off less than the average wage. But #TheIsland will treat them both the same. Starts tonight, 9pm, @Channel4. pic.twitter.com/EAzHyg3fpN

— The Island 🌴 (@TheIsland) April 2, 2018

||||||||, Monday, 2 April 2018 21:20 (six years ago) link

The BBC will be spewing that Ch4 are out-propagandising them!

calzino, Monday, 2 April 2018 21:23 (six years ago) link

My ideal Bear Grylls series would be one where the cunt is exiled to live on a big council estate with multiple crime gangs, and rapidly the word is put out that he is both a police informer and a paedo.

calzino, Monday, 2 April 2018 21:38 (six years ago) link

Just reading an article on The Charnel House and this part stood out
https://thecharnelhouse.org/2018/03/26/antisemitism-as-a-blindspot-for-the-left/

"Let me lay my cards on the table: I don’t think that Corbyn is a hardened antisemite or anything like that. Efforts to portray him as such are in my opinion transparently opportunistic. Yet again, this is a manufactured scandal resuscitated several years after the fact for political gain. Worst of all, this is leading people to dislike Corbyn for the wrong reasons. Jez sucks not because he’s “the absolute goy,” as some have pithily put it, but because he’s a milquetoast reformist leading a bourgeois political party, who wants to put more cops on the street and complains that foreigners are stealing British jobs."

Algerian Goalkeeper (Odysseus), Monday, 2 April 2018 21:41 (six years ago) link

"no he's not an antisemite he's just another imperialist capitalist pig"

Algerian Goalkeeper (Odysseus), Monday, 2 April 2018 21:44 (six years ago) link

that second part is not a quote btw, just the basic interpretation of what i read, lol

Algerian Goalkeeper (Odysseus), Monday, 2 April 2018 21:45 (six years ago) link

Why anyone would want to support Jeremy Corbyn or join the Labour Party is beyond me. I don’t live in Great Britain

Got this far.

nashwan, Monday, 2 April 2018 22:07 (six years ago) link

Unless he is going to come up with an impossibly mesmerising argument for the electorate rallying around Vince Cable, he is pretty fucked after an opening like that!

calzino, Monday, 2 April 2018 22:11 (six years ago) link

xp yeah author struck me as deaf to some cultural differences, like the sneer about the cops upthread. Corbyn wanting more police is in acknowledgement of the facts that Tory police cuts have been hugely damaging to the country, and that the poor always suffer most from crime. It’s a world away from a country where the police are increasingly militarised and heavily funded.

gyac, Monday, 2 April 2018 22:19 (six years ago) link

Also a country with a population of 320m + but with a bigger (disproportionately black) prison population than China has completely different "police issues" than the UK, although not to trivialise some of the racist stop and search stuff in the UK and other bad things, but it's a whole different game over there.

calzino, Monday, 2 April 2018 22:25 (six years ago) link

it's a bit grandstandy - ok it's a lot grandstandy - but fair enough, even the best of the Labour party are just useful stepping stones on the way to somewhere better

bad left terf nut (Noodle Vague), Monday, 2 April 2018 22:29 (six years ago) link

they are all wankers really!

calzino, Monday, 2 April 2018 22:31 (six years ago) link

OK, we’re through the looking glass when liberals are sharing Guido Fawkes links about Corbyn going to the Jewdas Seder. How nice of GF to take time out from shitting on Muslims, fixing up hard Brexit, and wanking over donkey porn to splash on this! If ever there was an example of one’s enemy’s enemy is NOT a friend!

suzy, Monday, 2 April 2018 22:33 (six years ago) link

Guido Fawkes aka when your Wikipedia photo is twelve years old because there isn't actually a better photo of you than this.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7a/Paul_Staines.jpg/220px-Paul_Staines.jpg

nashwan, Monday, 2 April 2018 22:54 (six years ago) link

The comments on GF are unabashed white supremacy and the worst of the internet, since they're making that argument.

I saw a lot of people sharing the Jewdas post last week: https://jewdas.org/enough-is-enough/ - don't know anything about them as an organisation.

gyac, Monday, 2 April 2018 23:01 (six years ago) link

I've met a few of them IRL. They were very nice. Case closed imho.

nashwan, Monday, 2 April 2018 23:03 (six years ago) link

they can't be real, they aren't posing with cups of tea like normal fascists do!

calzino, Monday, 2 April 2018 23:09 (six years ago) link

little guy at the back got lost on the swagger thread and ended up here!

calzino, Monday, 2 April 2018 23:11 (six years ago) link

Dan Burn Forti

Thomas NAGL (Neil S), Monday, 2 April 2018 23:19 (six years ago) link

l-r: bass, vocals, guitar, drums?

it was stale, and I did not like it, as the man said, &c (seandalai), Monday, 2 April 2018 23:37 (six years ago) link

The picture’s back!

Considering how us Jews control the media, you think we'd know there's no Jewish holiday of 'Seder'.... pic.twitter.com/gXsjuy7rNk

— jewdⒶs // יידהודה (@geoffreyjewdas) April 3, 2018

gyac, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 06:26 (six years ago) link

do we think this row will hurt LAB with cameron 15/remain 16 voters they stole from the CONs in 17? metropolitan liberals. otherwise I don’t think it will really hurt LAB in the polls

||||||||, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 06:36 (six years ago) link

What a fucking non-story that the BBC are really doubling down on: Leader of opposition has dinner with local branch of charming Jewish group who are young, idealistic and concerned about human rights issues. Privatise these fucks.

calzino, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 08:09 (six years ago) link

Guido Fawkes is not a 'blog', it's a sewer of racism, misogyny and untruth. That the BBC and the entire press regularly take their news cues from their toxic smears and gossip - Guardian included - is beyond depressing.

— dan hancox (@danhancox) April 3, 2018

calzino, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 08:20 (six years ago) link

Calz, I’d argue the BBC is effectively privatised right now; needs re-nationalisation to reflect a plurality of views and not to promote the hateswill of Paul Staines and those like him.

suzy, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 08:33 (six years ago) link

The BBC love socialism really, unfortunately just for them and not the electorate. This government should be getting hammered right now and have been discreetly finding sums of money to put sticking plasters on child poverty/homelessness/school funding problems they have created, because they are starting to get the fear. There is only one story the BBC are interested in though.

calzino, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 08:45 (six years ago) link


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