the day after the deadline: can the union survive brexit and other deep questions

it was followed by their correspondent adding that he hadn't seen a PM humiliated/trashed so much by a US prez before. It's a strange feeling when someone is such a neo-Fascist that he even makes Khan look like a lefty.

I felt the faintest twinge of sympathy, just for a second, until I read that she was going to promise him to rip up “red tape” for a deal. Instant regret.

I occasionally find Sadiq Khan's carefully studied blandness irritating but it's moments like this that make you realise why he does it, the avalanche of shit he would get otherwise.

He gets an avalanche no matter what and it’s fucking disgusting. You only have to see what a sitting Tory MP tweeted about him last night.

strong & stabledesperately pleading for chlorinated chicken

strong and stable vs very stable genius

whoever wins... we lose

Bannon on Good Morning Britain with Cuntface Morgan was inevitable but the show only gets around 0.6-0.7M viewers a day thankfully.

you have to wonder what appalling sins susanna reid must have committed in a former life in order to suffe the extraordinary punishment of appearing on live tv with piers fucking moron every day

@CNN
In Trump's interview with The Sun during his UK visit he also said, "You don't hear the word 'England' as much as you should. I miss the name England."

If he's being fed these lines then yes you certainly do not hear England as much as, say, a couple of days ago.

Susanna Reid in that "i'm a communist you idiot" video is pretty fire

i mean i never watch this shit but i'm amused as fuck to see her taking the role of "voice of not fascist cretins"

so basically Fabricant posted a pic of Khan getting fucked by a pig, and somebody noticed on his profile pic that he has the apartheid-era SA flag on his study wall. He might be a bit dodgy would be an understatement.

You poor fuckers are getting jordan peterson this weekend, too. Time to sink the whole island.

i don't think our mainstream news outlets will give much of one fuck about Peterson tbf

Fabricant with an apartheid flag in his study, christ only knows what's underneath the wig

Might keep the televised interviews to less than half an hour this time around then.

tbf SV i only really listen to the odd bit of Radio 4 so i'm not in any position to comment

can't believe michael fabricunt has turned out to be a wrong 'un

NV, it was Peterson's interview with Cathy Newman on ch4 news that brought him to the attention of mainstream media, mostly as a result of misogynistic criticism of her on twitter and reddit etc.

i've seen and was aware of that interview. i'm not sure how much all round public impact C4 News has and i can remember being surprised that Newman was allowed to call him out because most of Channel 4 reeks of libertarians most of the time, more like Challop 4 imo.

points taken tho.

i mean maybe it speaks to something that it was C4 that wanted to interview him at all, not sure it was intended to be set up as a roasting.

The criticism mostly seemed to be people deliberately misunderstanding the way you would ask someone questions to narrow and clarify their position. Not that it was great.

this fuckin guy

Q: [From the BBC’s Laura Kuenssberg] You have changed your tune on trade. What you said about May, is that the behaviour of a friend?

Trump says he did not criticise the PM. He says a story was done that did not put in what he said about May. He says he records his interviews. The story was “fake news”.

i've seen and was aware of that interview. i'm not sure how much all round public impact C4 News has and i can remember being surprised that Newman was allowed to call him out because most of Channel 4 reeks of libertarians most of the time, more like Challop 4 imo.

points taken tho.

― more like Toss, Ow amirite? (Noodle Vague), Friday, July 13, 2018 1:53 PM (fourteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i mean maybe it speaks to something that it was C4 that wanted to interview him at all, not sure it was intended to be set up as a roasting.

― more like Toss, Ow amirite? (Noodle Vague), Friday, July 13, 2018 1:54 PM (thirteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I don't think any of that really tallies with Channel 4's news output, tbh. They broke the Cambridge Analytica story on TV news a few months back, I don't really see much that could be characterised as "libertarian" in C4's news broadcasts, but perhaps you've seen more than me.

Is he sacking off the Sun? This is some alien vs predator shit

it's a combo of hating Krishnan Guru-Murthy and thinking about their wider current affairs/documentary output, including a lot of the soft "Secret Millionaire"/"Let's Meet Some People With Legitimate Concerns" stuff that they broadcast *a lot*

but i do think in trying to establish themselves as an "alternative" voice they drift into dickwit-adjacent alternatives on occasion

What’s wrong with KG-M?

He's an idiot

eraserhead hair iirc

this is an underdeveloped thought that i'm not developing on a warm Friday afternoon and probly needs to go elsewhere but there are commonalities between my more boring lefty/righty retweet-happy friends and their sources that are constant sources of minor sadness and exasperation. the lines of flight between Bannon-Jones-Peterson and AnotherAngryVoice-RT-TheFuckingCanary etc are tangly as fuck and definitely a thing

KG-M was a smug fucking centrist cunt before it was even that fashionable

centrists love Trump and all, he's their boogeyman, their justification every bit as much as Momentum or the Wokenet. fascists are always the stick end of centrist carrot/stick politics.

I’ll concede to the wider opinion on him because I never really watch c4 but I did like his destruction of the attempted lines about Corbyn after his terrorism speech last year.

He's an idiot

So's Jon Snow but at least he means well.

jon snow knows nothing iirc

is there a term for this whole morass of not-quite-alt-right online brains trustees where i'm prepared to believe the people aren't real nazis but they're just as likely to approvingly drop a Peterson article on their Facebook as they are an RT black ops piece?

bg if you're doing GoT jokes can you leave a footnote cos i have no idea

it's been a long time since i watched it tbh, i'm not even sure i'm doing it right

is there a term for this whole morass of not-quite-alt-right online brains trustees where i'm prepared to believe the people aren't real nazis but they're just as likely to approvingly drop a Peterson article on their Facebook as they are an RT black ops piece?

cunts

all i know is that there are 2 Jon Snows of note

xp that would cut it but mayn't be exclusive enough to function

is there a term for this whole morass of not-quite-alt-right online brains trustees where i'm prepared to believe the people aren't real nazis but they're just as likely to approvingly drop a Peterson article on their Facebook as they are an RT black ops piece?

Almost none of these people (as i interpret them) will drop RT pieces but there's a definite tendency to throw in Peterson / gender-critical / Spectator / etc stuff under the "i don't necessarily agree with it but this raises some interesting questions" banner. I honestly think it comes back, more than anything, to needing to appear engaged in the cut and thrust of contemporary thought while lacking any real capacity to apply a substantial amount of thought to anything.

We have a vast number of people in this country who are mistaken for public intellectuals because their dad managed to wangle an internship at the New Statesman or Economist fifteen years ago and they're no more capable of not Producing Content than a shark is capable of not swimming and continuing to breathe.

Idk I’m less inclined to give the just-asking-questions crowd much leeway given how keen they are to give cover to much worse things just by their silence. Peterson is a real misogynist, terfs doxx and harass people and the spectator publishes fascists. You don’t have to be paying attention all the time but at the same time you’d have to be actively ignoring things to miss the worst elements of this stuff.

funny how they never just ask questions about whether the minimum wage should be £15 an hour or the rich should be taxed more or if climate change is gonna leave their children's houses underwater

"centrists love Trump and all, he's their boogeyman, their justification every bit as much as Momentum or the Wokenet"

ain't that the truth, some of these moderates need to act the hero occasionally - which is tough when you are just another amoral career politician - then along comes this gaudy exhibitionist..

It's all in the spirit of elevating 'debate' above everything else from people who won't experience what it's like to be at the sharp end of that. The thing is that a lot of them (eg Milo) tend to burn themselves out pretty quickly.

TBH a hefty element of this is that the revenue model of ad-funded online media is so fucked that if you're the online editor of the Spectator you will publish this shit because it's what people actually read. If publishers had worked out a way of making the digital ad ecosystem work then these people would have carried on in life as the fringe cranks they were all along.

some of the centrists/tories are far more annoyed by Trump's dialogue, because of course whether they admit or not they have backed domestic versions of many of his administration's terrible policies themselves through lip service or parliamentary votes in recent history.

Trump wishes he could deport black American citizens.

many black US ppl have already longtime resided in an effective colony within the nation, as a recent book posited.

Sure, but I was thinking about Windrush. I was also thinking about a catastrophically awful tweet about one of the fbpe leading lights about something Trump has done along the lines of “this would never happen here”; they were deluged with evidence to the contrary. It’s a really crap stream of ideology that runs from unironically proclaiming that child separation policies would never happen here to telling people to shut up about Iraq. The hard right don’t need a majority of follower when they have useful idiots.

Centrists all idiots, wdn't categorize them as useful ;)