*on flappy bird's list, not "before flappy bird's list"
― piper at the gates of d'awwww (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 22:53 (six years ago) link
Did movies not exist before 1970s, flappy?
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, March 6, 2018 5:44 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ha I thought it would be annoying if I went back further! of course there are a ton, including all the ones voodoo chili listed.
PlatoonThe Last EmperorRain Man
???― Alba
Platoon always rated as one of Oliver Stone's best, he's still a major director for better or worse. Also on the shortlist for Vietnam movies alongside Apocalypse Now and The Deer Hunter. The Last Emperor could be just me, I remember in 2007 it had a huge theatrical re-release and tho I didn't go, I remember walking past packed screenings and a lot of people seem excited. Rain Man became a colloquialism.
Gandhi strikes me as an extremely typical here-and-forgotten BP winner. Does anyone really like it better than E.T. or Tootsie?
― Dangleballs and the Ballerina (cryptosicko)
well that's not the question, though i agree. Gandhi is remembered & referenced whenever Ben Kingsley comes up. Again the question isn't "are they remembered as great movies?" it's just "are they remembered?" And there are plenty of BP winners that have been completely forgotten in the culture at large and by people that love movies.
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 22:57 (six years ago) link
Chariots of Fire the ultimate here then gone winner. Who watches that one? I like The Last Emperor, looks gorgeous.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 22:58 (six years ago) link
gandhi got some kind of afterlife as something to show 7th graders for a week of social studies class. at least that's how I encountered it in the mid-90s. strongo's polls might be a useful reference here. was there ever one for the 70s, or just the year-by-year BP threads?WORST of the Best Picture Oscar Noms (Only The '80s Edition)WORST of the Best Picture Oscar Noms (Only the '90s Edition)WORST of the Best Picture Oscar Noms (Only the '00s Edition ... except 2009)
― Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 22:58 (six years ago) link
i kinda like the last emperor
― difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 23:36 (six years ago) link
(also a social studies watch tho)
― difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 23:37 (six years ago) link
I'd say these ones--some combination of critical acclaim (not just then, but now--a high ranking on the TSPDT list, say), influence, how likely someone younger is to seek them out.
Inarguable: On the Waterfront, The Apartment, Lawrence of Arabia, The Godfather (I & II), Annie Hall, Schindler's List (not for me, but objectively), No Country for Old Men.
I'd add a couple of broadly popular films to the inarguable list: Gone with the Wind and Casablanca.
Arguable, but maybe: All Quiet on the Western Front, It Happened One Night, Rebecca, How Green Was My Valley, The Best Years of Our Lives, All About Eve, From Here to Eternity, The Bridge on the River Kwai, Midnight Cowboy, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, The Silence of the Lambs.
You can change some of those according to individual taste. In any event, I'd say a maximum of 20.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 23:46 (six years ago) link
I'm not saying that aren't other good, even great films that have won. Just trying to pin down something that probably can't be pinned down.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 23:48 (six years ago) link
Also, it's easier to include older films on the "maybe" list--enough time has passed, and they're still written about and referenced and screened often enough, that there's some evidence there. I'm sure a couple of winners from the past 20 years will seem more vital in 2050 than they do now for whatever reason. As Kent Brockman says, only time will tell.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 23:58 (six years ago) link
i'm not really sure how to measure whether something's "remembered" or not. i would assume that most literate adults have at least heard the titles of most of the movies in flappy bird's and clemenza's lists, and obv every BP winner ever will live on forever as a trivia question, at least, but i would guess most ppl who weren't alive or were too young to see these films when they came out haven't seen them.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 00:07 (six years ago) link
I know--one of these constructs where the more I post, the more I paint myself into a corner...you can't measure it. But the idea of that 20-year-old who hasn't seen most of these films: which ones are he/she most likely to seek out? If you could draw up that list, that's kind of what I'm trying to get at. So maybe "remembered" isn't the best word. That person will get to The Godfather and Casablanca very quickly, based on what they've read or heard. He'll probably never get around to Cimarron.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 00:29 (six years ago) link
The number is at least twenty imo and a lot more like fifty
― things you looked shockingly old when you wore (darraghmac), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 00:32 (six years ago) link
how could you leave The Deer Hunter off inarguable
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 00:41 (six years ago) link
I'm probably bending over backwards there to avoid subjectivity. I like it far more than most people do. I'll give you "arguable," in part because of interest in Cimino. But a lot writers hated it then, and many still do.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 00:44 (six years ago) link
wait, is "universal praise" part of the question here? The Deer Hunter is still sought after and widely seen by people in their 20s.
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 00:45 (six years ago) link
i think cuckoo's nest will always be sought out by young ppl who are into kesey + beat literature and that sort of thing (i did), i suspect deer hunter and platoon are still cool for semi-related reasons. i think the films on your "inarguable" list are all probably safe -- the apartment has been the favorite film of a surprising number of ppl i've known, lawrence will probably be forever known as "that film you need to see on the big screen," and annie hall still seems popular despite allen's low reputation at the moment.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 00:55 (six years ago) link
and All About Eve, touchstone for ILX gays all over the world
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 00:58 (six years ago) link
(xpost) I thought it was a much bigger deal in 1978 than it is now. I don't know any 20-year-olds, so I'll have to take your word on that.
Lawrence got a big boost 15 or 20 years ago, when it was re-released, made the Sight & Sound Top 10, and was always getting cited by Spielberg and other filmmakers.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 01:00 (six years ago) link
every movie John Cazale was in are sought after
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 01:02 (six years ago) link
I yield to no one in my Cazale worship--that may actually factor in (his reputation exceeds the movie's now, but the movie benefits as a result).
― clemenza, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 01:04 (six years ago) link
Platoon has its moments, but I was astonished when i saw it in '86 that Stone has a kid pull out photos of his family then get killed two scenes later in the first 20 minutes.
ie it's not a pimple on the ass of All Quiet on the Western Front.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 02:44 (six years ago) link
the Christ vs Satan symbolism is hard to take, and every time Sheen tries to act I wish the Vietcong had better aim.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 02:51 (six years ago) link
hell, Salvador > Platoon
flappy, u r beyond parody, kiddo
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 02:52 (six years ago) link
Salvador > hell > Platoon
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 02:54 (six years ago) link
I dunno, flappy, I personally can't remember the last time I heard anyone bring up Rain Main
yesterday someone said to me "you're like rain man but just for remembering things"
― just noticed tears shaped like florida. (sic), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 04:33 (six years ago) link
replied "I like to drive slow on the driveway"
― just noticed tears shaped like florida. (sic), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 04:34 (six years ago) link
from the whole of the 60's and 70's there are only 3 or 4 you could disregard as not having a cultural impact in a significant way. Tom Jones (maybe) A Man for All Seasons, Patton, The Sting (Probably) In the Heat of the night (maybe)
all of the rest are films that people like and still watch, imo.
― Heavy Messages (jed_), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 04:47 (six years ago) link
People don’t like The Sting?
― valorous wokelord (silby), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 04:49 (six years ago) link
Patton is gr8
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 04:54 (six years ago) link
no idea. I'd be happy if they did but you are right to correct me. if you look at 60s and 70s best film winners then most are still well regarded.
― Heavy Messages (jed_), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 04:54 (six years ago) link
xp
i think you basically have the bulk of two decades best-pictures that are still well regarded. that was my not-very-well thought out point.
― Heavy Messages (jed_), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 04:59 (six years ago) link
Patton sparked Dick Nixon to bomb Cambodia.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 05:04 (six years ago) link
i stand by my review
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 05:07 (six years ago) link
By my estimation, these are the post-1970 Oscar winners you could probably praise in polite ILX company without being snorted at. Sorry, 80s and 90s.
The French ConnectionThe GodfatherThe StingThe Godfather Part IIOne Flew over the Cuckoo's NestThe Deer HunterAmadeusSilence of the LambsUnforgivenThe DepartedNo Country for Old MenThe Hurt LockerThe Artist12 Years a SlaveMoonlight
― Alba, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 10:00 (six years ago) link
Oh, and Annie Hall, ya ya.
― Alba, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 10:01 (six years ago) link
Id beat you with a platter if you praised Amadeus within earshot
― things you looked shockingly old when you wore (darraghmac), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 10:03 (six years ago) link
There you go! I was trying to be lenient and felt bad for the 1980s. I've never actually seen Amadeus.
― Alba, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 10:06 (six years ago) link
Or hardly any 80s winners, in fact. They looked bad. I liked Ordinary People, but this isn't about what I like.
― Alba, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 10:09 (six years ago) link
I'm going to throw Terms of Endearment on to my list too and see if it sticks.
― Alba, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 10:11 (six years ago) link
We were shown Amadeus in music class and it was obviously bollocks when I was 13
― imago, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 10:52 (six years ago) link
Until quite recently I thought the soundtrack featured Rock Me Amadeus.
― Alba, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 10:55 (six years ago) link
Amadeus is good.
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 10:56 (six years ago) link
I broadly agree with jed about the 70s and (especially) 60s winners btw. The 60s Academy made a smart choice in being so musicals-heavy.
― Alba, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 11:02 (six years ago) link
No offense, jed, but this is completely wrong about In the Heat of the Night, especially in the South.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 11:16 (six years ago) link
Cultural impact smultural impact
Are they remembered yes are they watched yes are they worth the 90-180 mins of your time yes
The insipid selections of the millennium era, none of that holds true
― things you looked shockingly old when you wore (darraghmac), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 11:37 (six years ago) link
None taken, I've never seen it, i've just never heard anyone talk about it.
Alablalba, The Artist?!
― Heavy Messages (jed_), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 11:51 (six years ago) link
The Artist is great!
― things you looked shockingly old when you wore (darraghmac), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 12:04 (six years ago) link
A few years ago the 2009 Oscar winner was the question for Final Jeopardy and no one got it (I didn't either).
― Chris L, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 12:15 (six years ago) link
Conceding my own bias upfront, the run of Best Picture winners from '69-'78 was the most relevant ever. There were two old-fashioned winners, The Sting and Rocky, that I don't think were especially noteworthy (backlash winners, almost); a third, Patton, kind of had one foot in both the old and new. But every other winner from Midnight Cowboy to The Deer Hunter was new and interesting and a big topic of conversation in the culture at large, as were lots of other nominees that didn't win. Why this happened--I assume the electorate was still mostly made up of Old Hollywood people--I don't know.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 12:23 (six years ago) link