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4:30, the essay is do at 5. Its twice as long as it should be:

do I

a) skip class to cut the paper

b) print it and publish it as is

c) other

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 30 October 2002 22:37 (twenty-three years ago)

b)

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 30 October 2002 22:38 (twenty-three years ago)

I think B also

rainy (rainy), Wednesday, 30 October 2002 22:48 (twenty-three years ago)

Depends on the teacher - some mark overlong essays down heavily, but they usually announce this intention. Some aren't terribly fussed. Also, you will know how easily you can edit the piece down.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 30 October 2002 22:50 (twenty-three years ago)

b

isadora (isadora), Wednesday, 30 October 2002 23:07 (twenty-three years ago)

indescriminately take out every second word.

or every second sentence will probably still read ok.

dsico (dsico), Thursday, 31 October 2002 03:53 (twenty-three years ago)

I know it's too late now Anthony, but in most cases you can remove the word 'that' without really affecting the meaning. Well, it can knock off a hundred or so words which is better than nothing.

Anna (Anna), Thursday, 31 October 2002 12:31 (twenty-three years ago)

Anna: I don't agree with.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 1 November 2002 23:04 (twenty-three years ago)

actually, kind of works martin.

mr drongo, Saturday, 2 November 2002 15:46 (twenty-three years ago)

I also suspect* Anthony's essay wouldn't have been reduced sufficiently by removing all the redundant 'that's.

*we really don't need it here!

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 3 November 2002 11:43 (twenty-three years ago)

As someone who marks uni essays, I'm a little concerned about 'that' advice... Many 'thats' are stylistically desirable and several will be grammatically necessary.

Lecturer's tip: Superfluous adverbs and adjectives are the place to start (especially when editing the crap I write, but evidently I'm not alone).

Lecturer's tip #2: It's more efficient (as well as being more authoritative) to write in the active voice. A search on 'by' and 'with' usually highlights ungainly sentences which can be restructured in the active, and with fewer words.

Lecturer's tip #3: I love to read good, sophisticated writing...but when you have 100+ scripts to mark, I suspect that concise and tightly written sentences impress me more.

Lecturer's tip #4: I've never counted the words in studentss essays and I suspect that an essay which was double the word limit would go unnoticed.

debaser (debaser), Monday, 4 November 2002 05:04 (twenty-three years ago)

Good advice, debaser. Adverbs and adjectives can often be excised mercilessly to the benefit of writing (not just to save words), but perhaps less so in arts subjects than anywhere else.

My boss would object to your #2! He never tells me to do something - instead I get emails that say x "is required to be done". You are right and he is wrong, obviously.

#3: I would trust few lecturers to mark for style and genuine quality of writing. Concise, clear and meaningful should be the main aim.

#4: few do count, I think - that was my point earlier, that the lecturers who do fuss about that tend to emphasise the point.

One more tip about clarity and concision, and even more about precision, is to try to remove all abstract nouns. Not all can or should be removed, but words ending -tion are very often indicative of vague thinking, so should almost always at least be reconsidered. (Football manager Glenn Hoddle adds "situation" to things almost at random - "We had a free kick situation" - where no extra value is carried.)

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 4 November 2002 12:44 (twenty-three years ago)

saying "situation" signals that they recognised that had to discuss and consider the tactical and strategic aspects of the free kick

(haha, "the comma gives the guy time to pull out his chair and sit down")

mark s (mark s), Monday, 4 November 2002 13:09 (twenty-three years ago)

"I've never counted the words in students essays and I suspect that an essay which was double the word limit would go unnoticed."

This is absolutely true.

isadora (isadora), Monday, 4 November 2002 18:45 (twenty-three years ago)

Use single spacing and Arial Narrow 4pt. Eschew margins. Better still, present it on a microdot.

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 5 November 2002 01:33 (twenty-three years ago)

Although I suspect microdots do not exist outside of my Detective's Handbook (Usborne Publishing, c.1979)

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 5 November 2002 01:37 (twenty-three years ago)

http://store3.yimg.com/I/popular-sg_1710_279422998.jpg

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 5 November 2002 01:39 (twenty-three years ago)

http://store3.yimg.com/I/popular-sg_1710_279422998.jpg

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 5 November 2002 01:39 (twenty-three years ago)

I think they were in Tony the Tiger's Grrreat Guide to Secret Codes (or whatever) as well. Tony the Tiger knows all.

Rebecca (reb), Tuesday, 5 November 2002 01:59 (twenty-three years ago)

I'd go for option a)

(I recently had to cut an essay down from 7000 to 2000 words - it broke my heart - but one of the assessment criteria was that is not be over 2000 words)

toraneko (toraneko), Tuesday, 5 November 2002 02:03 (twenty-three years ago)

Burn the essay, skip class, and rob a convenience store.

Andrew (enneff), Tuesday, 5 November 2002 02:25 (twenty-three years ago)

No, you don't want to use Arial.

Microdot vs Microfiche: FITE!

(d'ya know I've considered purchasing a microfiche reader for my home?)

Graham (graham), Tuesday, 5 November 2002 18:32 (twenty-three years ago)

from Graham's above link: "I can almost hear young designers now saying, "Helvetica? That's that font that looks kinda like Arial, right?"

another article is called "How to Spot Arial".

arialists! arians!

mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Tuesday, 5 November 2002 19:11 (twenty-three years ago)


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