movies where you disagree w/ the screenwriters on who the 'good guys' are

It's been aaaaages since I read it (or saw the movie, tbh) but iirc Spud was more the protagonist of the Trainspotting novel than Renton was.

feel like a lot of anti-ferris takes don't acknowledge that there's a lot of pathos in that movie due to the heavily implied sense that ferris's life post-high school is gonna be pretty bleak, and that we're witnessing the last happy period of his life.

Huh. I don't get that at all. Je suis Ferris, to an extent, and I did fine. I blew off months' worth of HS classes, smuggled vodka on field trips, forged library passes, may or may not have gotten high with a chemistry teacher. Went to college (of course), where I fucked off for entire semesters and mostly got away with shit by being white, male, straight, cute, reasonably clever, and having a reasonably well-to-do family with good connections.

Where is the evidence that Ferris ends up as badly off as even Lloyd Dobler (who also did fine, I suspect) or Kyle M.'s character?

Molly Ringwald and I think Duckie is gay; Jon Cryer disagrees.

been saying for years. Plenty of gay men pined for girls in high school.

Willie Wonka is a manipulative, moralising prick who thinks nothing of putting children and their parents through psychological torture and uses his wealth and power to adopt Charlie rather than going through background checks and demonstrating his fitness to be a parent.

Typical entitled Elon Musk type in short.

wait does anyone think willy wonka is the "good guy"?

he also eats babies

It's been aaaaages since I read it (or saw the movie, tbh) but iirc Spud was more the protagonist of the Trainspotting novel than Renton was.

I wouldn't say so. It's a collection of short stories refashioned as a novel and it shows, but Renton is still the main focus. As a relative innocent, Spud is the most tragic character though

Duckie is neither an asshole nor gay. He is a duckman. Duh.

what the sequel did with the characters- and this may all be in welshs work- was shite

obv luke skywalker is a dangerous terrorist

what the sequel did with the characters- and this may all be in welshs work- was shite

Welsh's sequels were a totally different kind of shite. But shite nonetheless

sequels are a general formal problem for the idea of the anti-hero: discuss

feel like a lot of anti-ferris takes don't acknowledge that there's a lot of pathos in that movie due to the heavily implied sense that ferris's life post-high school is gonna be pretty bleak, and that we're witnessing the last happy period of his life.

Agree with YMP that this is a challops. Ferris is about as privileged as someone could be.

its more that hes a cunt which is separate

frodo: was told not to wear the ring

lol yeah ferris is definitely a future wall street bro who eventually takes unacceptable risks in the lead-up to the financial crisis

re: LOTR

https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/unused-audio-commentary-by-howard-zinn-and-noam-chomsky-recorded-summer-2002-for-the-fellowship-of-the-ring-platinum-series-extended-edition-dvd-part-one

no way it's barely even subtext that Ferris is fucked and his whole motivation is that his charmed existence is about to expire. Rage against the sting of the light. Yes he is privileged (and a cunt) but I dunno I still feel for the privileged cunts of my adolescence who "peaked" in high school.

That Ferris is cut and dried the "bad guy" is imo just glib counterintuitive retweet bait passing as insight.

sting = dying obv.

rage against the death sting

his charmed existence is about to expire

present textual evidence for this plz - and Ferris saying "this is all about to be over for me!" doesn't really qualify, cuz what does he know about the future? There's really nothing in the movie that presents an axe dangling over his head, that he'll have to get a shitty job or not get into college or his sister will get revenge on him, there's none of that.

xp re: Ferris. He's been weaseling out of consequences forever; what evidence is that it will stop happening?

He erases his unexcused absences via modem. You don't think he's gonna slide into college / jobs / homeownership with the same oiliness? Shit, I know I would have. And I kind of did!

"ferris is an object of pity" is overthink wish fulfilment

Whose wish is it fulfilling?

Being a quasi-tragic figure isn't the same as being an object of "pity" unless you're Aristotle. Ferris isn't "good" either. His "stop and smell the roses" attitude is precisely what's gonna lead to his destruction. I think he's actually (for the time) a convincing depiction of what self-actualization would look like for a 17 year old--that adults know this comes at some cost seems obvious to me. But that this would also arouse ressentiment also seems obvious!

I haven't seen it in a while--what textual evidence is there that Ferris' charmed/charming lifestyle will come to an end as he becomes an adult?

xp

My basic point is that "Ferris is a generic asshole" is also a hyper-literalist bad-faith reading of the movie fwiw.

I haven't seen it in a while--what textual evidence is there that Ferris' charmed/charming lifestyle will come to an end as he becomes an adult?

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literally none

Ferris does literally nothing other than smell roses. At no point do you see him actually doing any of the work of being a high school student, let alone the work of being a good person/citizen/son. And there are literally no consequences for it ever. The dude skates.

You may say that "adults know this comes at some cost," but then we also know about the degree to which Martin Shkreli, the Trump boys, Brock Turner, etc. get to skate.

it's true he is not generic, he is a very finely drawn asshole

y'all are all cops

yeah I mean I guess I'd need to rewatch it but I find Ryan's take highly unconvincing. The world is full of rich assholes who were rich assholes in high school and continue to be rich assholes. They fuck up and get away with it throughout their life because they are rich and connected and know how to have the attitude of someone who shit doesn't stick to. This is exactly who goes to work in investment banking.

guys who "peak in high school" are usually working class joes who don't go to college

I've seen the studies

I recommend you all skip school take a pampered ferrari out for a reckless spin sometime.

I think it's a perfect comedy film, to be clear!

Ryan

do u identify with ferris

is this a cushy past catching up with u

sympathies man thatll kill ilx cred

everyone on ilx peaked in school

show me the lie

Ryan

do u identify with ferris

no i identify with cameron! hence my affection for him.

ur dad had that car

lowest of low ilxors sackcloth thus man

my dad was just about equally protective of our minivan.

youre under the microscope now watch out all im sayin

back on topic:

chickens in chicken run. youre chickens, you have a role in society and are pretty well treated for yr part in it no takebacks when the time comes you chickeny fucks

They Live

The glasses were the good guy

uh Birth of a Nation

when ryan was in Egypt's land

let my ryan go

re: avengers
thanos was right

yeah

ET should have stayed