Champions' League: Round 5

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"oh, let's all laugh at Bayern, let's all laugh at Bayern" (and I trust Omar will stick in the knife - he *hated* them when they won it, I preferred Valencia's style but I didn't want to link myself, even by default, with English anti-German sentiment)

and on these shores it looks as though Newcastle are everyone's sentimental favourites again. I can't begrudge them it.

― robin carmody (robin carmody), Thursday, 31 October 2002 06:06 (twenty-three years ago)

I wouldn't feel too reluctant to stick the knife into Bayern Robin. Most of Germany (outside Bavaria) seems to share the sentiment. Had the pleasure of the redoubtable Omar's company last Tuesday, I don't doubt he enjoyed their demise.

Unfortunately for the Toon Juvé have already made it clear they'll field a second-string side against Kiev. Meantime I'm praying my ticket application for the Feyenoord game is succesful.

― stevo (stevo), Thursday, 31 October 2002 10:51 (twenty-three years ago)

fantasy league cup final:

bayern robin v. toon juve.

― michael wells (michael w.), Thursday, 31 October 2002 11:05 (twenty-three years ago)

lol, well at least toon juvé have similar kits.

― stevo (stevo), Thursday, 31 October 2002 11:07 (twenty-three years ago)

looks like they'll be 3 spanish teams in the semis again - with Juve or Milan fighting it out for the fourth

― blueski, Thursday, 31 October 2002 11:10 (twenty-three years ago)

am I right in thinking that people from northern Germany basically think Bavarians are ... inbred? ultra-conservative? I knew Bayern were disliked, but I wonder how much of it is for the same reasons as Man Utd / Juventus (the wealth / flashiness / media & referee bias) and how much the north-south, urban-rural divide comes into it.

Juve fielding their second string ... hmmm, doesn't look good, I remember them losing to Celtic in the same circumstances last season (of course Celtic were in the same circumstances as Newcastle - fate not in their own hands - and they went out because FC Porto won). cf also Man Utd losing 3-0 to Maccabi Haifa with their second team this week, which felt oddly like their annual Worthington Cup knockout. I really want Newcastle to go through (*everyone* outside Sunderland and Middlesbrough does, surely) but I can't help fearing Kiev will take advantage of circumstances.

ah well, Newcastle could go in the UEFA Cup I suppose, and in its original form (the Fairs Cup) that was the last trophy they won, wasn't it?

― robin carmody (robin carmody), Thursday, 31 October 2002 11:10 (twenty-three years ago)

also, part of me thinks the Swiss will make Liverpool roll (to invert the classic cringemaking old-school banner from the 1977 final)

― robin carmody (robin carmody), Thursday, 31 October 2002 11:12 (twenty-three years ago)

that's the wrong-headed part of you. we're best with backs to the wall, dontcha know?

― michael wells (michael w.), Thursday, 31 October 2002 11:23 (twenty-three years ago)

Robin I think its both Bavaria v the rest *and* the Man Utd of Germany factor. Bavaria does seem to have a strong separate identity, very conservative, reflected in the CSU conservatism (though I understand Munich itself is quite different). Intriguingly an American-German friend tells me Bayern München became the team of choice for the many hundreds of thousands of German refugees expelled ('ethnically cleansed') after WW2 and their descendents.

The Inter City Fairs Cup was indeed the last trophy Newcastle United won (we'll forget the Texaco Cup shall we) beating the mighty Ujpesti Dozsa 6-2 on aggregate in 1969. The bizarre city-based entry criteria for the competition meant the club qualified despite finishing 10th the season before. The blurred Hungarian black and white TV images of Bobby Moncur lifting the trophy are much treasured in this household. Newcastle has since maintained a proud record of sneaking into European competitions through the back door.

― stevo (stevo), Thursday, 31 October 2002 11:38 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm really enjoying Newcastle's spirited Champion's League fight-back. Alan Shearer used to be a big hate-figure for me, but I've come to respect and admire the old war-horse. I have a bad feeling they're going to lose in Holland in their last game, though, but they've really given themselves a chance.

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Thursday, 31 October 2002 11:51 (twenty-three years ago)

also, part of me thinks the Swiss will make Liverpool roll (to invert the classic cringemaking old-school banner from the 1977 final)

Joey ate the frog's legs, he made the Swiss roll, now he's Monchengladbach... that scouse sense of humour, hey?

At least Inter won... probably so we can screw up more spectacularly in the second round.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 31 October 2002 11:56 (twenty-three years ago)

Feyenoord are beatable kilian I live in Holland, see a lot of their games, and they're not in great form at the moment. Without Van Hooijdonk their attacking options are limited, and they've just come back from Turin with a real injury crisis. I suspect the game will be more about the UEFA cup place than the CL second round but I'm quietly optimistic.

― stevo (stevo), Thursday, 31 October 2002 12:02 (twenty-three years ago)

Joey ate the frog's legs, he made the Swiss roll, now he's Monchengladbach... that scouse sense of humour, hey?

b-but that *is* witty.

― michael wells (michael w.), Thursday, 31 October 2002 12:09 (twenty-three years ago)

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