I wish I'd voted for Warhol too, which probably would have pushed him onto the list. Of the 10-15 films I've seen, only one or two flat-out bored me; the rest had me laughing at a minimum, most confounded me in a really interesting way, and there's beauty in The Chelsea Girls and the screen tests.
― clemenza, Saturday, 20 January 2018 15:42 (six years ago) link
Murnau’s Faust is obviously incredible but Emil Jannings makes me too sick.
― Chris L, Saturday, 20 January 2018 15:47 (six years ago) link
emil.y, i don't know Chytilova aside from Daisies; have you seen much?
Yeah, strongly recommend Fruit of Paradise as the next one to check out if you like Daisies. Even her lesser '90s films are pretty good.
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― emil.y, Saturday, 20 January 2018 15:50 (six years ago) link
Checking the spreadsheet, Warhol wouldn't have made it with a vote from me. But I did notice a blank for Andrea Arnold in my column--with my points, she would have moved up to the low 100s, five points short of the big list. I don't know the calculation that then turned points into weighted points, but Arnold might have ranked with that adjustment. (This isn't criticism--I messed up points on all four polls I oversaw, leaving out a whole ballot once.)
― clemenza, Saturday, 20 January 2018 15:56 (six years ago) link
Herzog, WernerRoeg, NicholasBunuel, LuisTarkovsky, AndreiAntonioni, MichelangeloPowell, Michael & Emeric PressburgerHitchcock, AlfredAkerman, ChantalAltman, RobertKubrick, StanleyDe Palma, Brian Malick, Terrence Scorsese, MartinTarr, BelaOphüls, MaxGodard, Jean-LucKiarostami, AbbasRenoir, JeanHogg, JoannaBergman, IngmarKurosawa AkiraDreyer, Carl TheodorAndersson, RoyLynch, DavidArgento, DarioRomero, George ARohmer, EricKore-eda HirokazuFriedkin, WilliamCronenberg, David Arnold, AndreaHaneke, MichaelVon Trier, LarsLeone, SergioStrickland, Peter Ceylan, Nuri Bilge
Forgot a bunch tho eg murnau, lang and bresson. Had has on my mind but loved hourglass sanatorium and wasn't so hot on saragossa manuscript
― i know kore-eda (or something), Saturday, 20 January 2018 16:11 (six years ago) link
here's mine. Order is a bit arbitrary in retrospect, and if I hadn't forgotten Murnau, he'd be on and Capra would be off
1. Powell, Michael & Emeric Pressburger2. Lubitsch, Ernst3. Hitchcock, Alfred4. Renoir, Jean5. Sturges, Preston6. Miyazaki Hayao7. Lynch, David8. Keaton, Buster9. Ophüls, Max10. Tati, Jacques11. Malick, Terrence12. Ray, Satyajit13. Welles, Orson14. Lang, Fritz15. Bunuel, Luis16. Kurosawa Akira17. Brakhage, Stan18. Reed, Carol19. Altman, Robert20. Hawks, Howard21. Kubrick, Stanley22. Wong Kar-wai23. Vigo, Jean24. Ozu Yasujirō25. Kieslowski, Krzysztof26. Eisenstein, Sergei27. Linklater, Richard28. Satoshi Kon29. Clair, Rene30. Laughton, Charles31. Tarkovsky, Andrei32. Conner, Bruce33. Yang, Edward34. Mackendrick, Alexander35. Woo, John36. Kalatozov, Mikhael37. Cocteau, Jean38. Jones, Chuck39. Roeg, Nicholas40. Sirk, Douglas41. Pontecorvo, Gillo42. Wilder, Billy43. Pabst, G.W.44. Melville, Jean-Pierre45. Dreyer, Carl Theodor46. Hu, King47. Mamoulian, Rouben48. Bergman, Ingmar49. Capra, Frank50. Hark, Tsui
― rob, Saturday, 20 January 2018 16:26 (six years ago) link
Xp voted polanski somewhere around 19 but he's missing for some mysterious reason
― i know kore-eda (or something), Saturday, 20 January 2018 16:35 (six years ago) link
Did I miss the spreadsheet link?
― Jeff, Saturday, 20 January 2018 16:40 (six years ago) link
All Right, Mr. DeMille, I'm Ready For My Close-Up ... It's The ILXOR's Top 101 Director Poll Results Thread
― rob, Saturday, 20 January 2018 16:42 (six years ago) link
Eric, thanks so much for doing this! Been a hoot. Ballot:
1. Kiarostami, Abbas2. Roeg, Nicholas3. Tarkovsky, Andrei4. Bergman, Ingmar5. Fellini, Federico6. Deren, Maya7. Lynch, David8. Teshigahara, Hiroshi9. Pasolini, Pier Paolo10. Pakula, Alan J.11. Bunuel, Luis12. Brakhage, Stan13. Stillman, Whit14. Fassbinder, Rainer Werner15. Kurosawa, Akira16. Resnais, Alain17. Kubrick, Stanley18. Jodorowsky, Alejandro19. Rohmer, Eric20. Haneke, Michael21. Tarr, Bela22. Ghobadi, Bahman23. Snow, Michael24. Coppola, Francis Ford25. Wertmuller, Lina26. Godard, Jean-Luc27. Franco, Jesus28. Makhmalbaf, Mohsen29. Medem, Julio30. Cronenberg, David31. Antonioni, Michelangelo32. Akerman, Chantal33. Dardenne, Jean-Luc & Pierre34. Duras, Marguerite35. Welles, Orson36. Farhadi, Asghar37. Lelouch, Claude38. Kieslowski, Krzysztof39. Almodovar, Pedro40. Rollin, Jean41. Borowczyk, Walerian42. Sokurov, Aleksandr43. Tati, Jacques44. Shahid-Saless, Sohrab45. Ōshima, Nagisa46. Linklater, Richard47. Metzger, Radley48. Cassavetes, John49. Sarno, Joe50. Verhoeven, Paul
― ♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Saturday, 20 January 2018 16:44 (six years ago) link
I haven't looked at the spreadsheet b/c it wants me to download it rather than opening in a tab.
― emil.y, Saturday, 20 January 2018 16:45 (six years ago) link
Xxpost bless you
― Jeff, Saturday, 20 January 2018 16:50 (six years ago) link
Well it tells you, for one, that you and I are the only ones voting for Jesus Franco :)
xp
― ♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Saturday, 20 January 2018 16:51 (six years ago) link
I will personally guarantee--backed up by the Molinari Family on the Coast--the safety of the spreadsheet.
― clemenza, Saturday, 20 January 2018 16:55 (six years ago) link
Here's my list!
1. Kubrick, Stanley2. Welles, Orson3. Tarkovsky, Andrei4. Wong Kar-wai5. Murnau, F.W.6. Bresson, Robert7. Von Stroheim, Erich8. Coen, Joel & Ethan9. Bergman, Ingmar10. Ozu, Yasujiro11. Hitchcock, Alfred12. Kiarostami, Abbas13. Renoir, Jean14. Powell, Michael & Emeric Pressburger15. Herzog, Werner16. Hawks, Howard17. Lynch, David18. Keaton, Buster19. Anderson, Wes20. Panahi, Jafar21. Dreyer, Carl Theodor22. Fincher, David23. Fellini, Federico24. Kurosawa Akira25. Malick, Terrence26. Anderson, Paul Thomas27. Godard, Jean-Luc28. Lang, Fritz29. Van Sant, Gus30. Chaplin, Charles31. Bunuel, Luis32. Wilder, Billy33. Dardenne, Jean-Luc & Pierre34. Ray, Satyajit35. Antonioni, Michelangelo36. Morris, Errol37. Ophüls, Max38. Mizoguchi Kenji39. Lonergan, Kenneth40. Lumet, Sidney41. Scott, Ridley42. Scorsese, Martin43. Spielberg, Steven44. Tarantino, Quentin45. Linklater, Richard46. To, Johnnie47. Polanski, Roman48. Coppola, Francis Ford49. Miyazaki Hayao50. Lean, David
― cajunsunday, Saturday, 20 January 2018 18:16 (six years ago) link
Chytilova (I'd forgotten Fruits of Paradise, reasoned her out by telling myself I'd only seen Daisies) (who reminds me that I also forgot Kira Muratova) and Visconti are other regrets.
There are more than 50 great directors don't @ me.
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 20 January 2018 18:18 (six years ago) link
Fruit Of Paradise and Jane Arden's Other Side Of Underneath on my to buy list now.
1. Tsukamoto Shin'ya2. Lynch, David3. Argento, Dario4. De Palma, Brian5. Quay, Stephen & Timothy6. Russell, KenBurton, TimGaranina, IdeyaKovasznai, GyorgyJankovics, MarcellTanaka, TokuzoSono, SionShorina, NinaNakagawa, NobuoBarta, JiriSerebryakov, NikolaiMurnau, F.W.Cronenberg, DavidRaimi, SamHung, SammoCarpenter, JohnHooper, TobePowell, Michael & Emeric PressburgerHark, TsuiZulawski, AndrzejHerz, JurajHitchcock, AlfredJodorowsky, AlejandroMiller, GeorgeGilliam, TerryChan-wook Parkdel Toro, GuillermoCheh, ChangStrickland, PeterCorman, RogerCoppola, Francis FordPolanski, RomanWise, RobertJires, JaromilHu, KingImamura ShōheiBrass, TintoSatoshi KonRomero, George A.Friedkin, WilliamChristiansen, BenjaminCocteau, JeanIshii, GakuryūRoeg, NicholasRollin, Jean
Lynch would have been first in terms of the overall power of his work but I wanted to boost Tsukamoto and I like a bigger percentage of his work and I don't care for most of Lynch's later short films (the early ones are great though). Tsukamoto has a few disappointments but they usually have something really striking about them (I've been unable to find a few of his films).
De Palma being placed so high is just my current enthusiasm after loving a few films recently.
Quay Brothers for giving you something to get lost in parts of your brain you don't visit often enough.
I'm sad to see so few voted Ken Russell because he's got these moments where everything comes together and fly beautifully.
Burton being the first director to make my brain ejaculate.
Garanina made some fucking gorgeous animations and she had a nice variety of style.Kovasznai for his lovely layered filmed painting and a really odd romance musical.Jankovics for the burning coloured fantasy.
Tanaka for some 60s horror films that badly need discovered outside Japan.
Nina Shorina just for the grotty Room Of Laughter.Barta for his Pied Piper film.Serebryakov for strange morphing grotesquerie.
Hung for some of the funnest films I've ever seen. If people love entertainment so much why aren't his films more famous?
Herz for beautiful gothic fantasies.
I don't actually love Chang Cheh but he's a game changer that probably wouldn't be voted by anyone else.
Brass for having the good sense to put a camera on Caprioglio for a whole film.
Rollin for being so indulgent and cutting the shit that other horror directors feel obliged to do. He's not amazing but I respect those things.
Forgotten Mario Bava (for his visual styling) and animator Keita Kurosaka (totally unlike most anime and beautifully textured) and maybe should have included Richard Blackburn and a few other one hit wonders.Thought of voting for a bunch of softcore fetish stuff but who would care?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 20 January 2018 20:53 (six years ago) link
Didn't submit this due to holidays + the ILM EOY poll sucking up ballot-related will-to-live, but for posterity:
01. Jiang Wen02. Tsai Ming-Liang03. Akira Kurosawa04. Yevgeni Bauer05. Vsevolod Pudovkin06. Stephen Chow07. Jackie Chan08. Alexander Dovzhenko09. Juraj Herz10. Buster Keaton
Abbas KiarostamiAleksei GermanAlice Guy-BlachéBilly WilderBusby BerkeleyChen KaigeChuck JonesEdward YangErnst LubitschF.W. MurnauFarah KhanFritz LangGeorges MélièsGustavo SerenaHayao MiyazakiHiroshi TeshigaharaHou Hsiao-HsienJacques TatiJames BidgoodJohn WooKenji MizoguchiKing HuKing VidorMaya DerenMichael Powell & Emeric PressburgerNino OxiliaOusmane SembèneRaj KapoorRyusuke HamaguchiSammo HungSatyajit RayTakashi MiikeTsui HarkVěra ChytilováWalter RuttmannWong Kar-WaiWu Nien-jenXie JieYasujirō OzuZhang Yimou
― etc, Saturday, 20 January 2018 21:14 (six years ago) link
Clem, sorry about the Argento thing. I assure that it was probably from the ballot of the person in one of the adjacent columns.
― Tarr Yang Preminger Argento Carpenter (Eric H.), Saturday, 20 January 2018 23:42 (six years ago) link
No problem at all. Out of curiosity, you might want to check Andrea Arnold, though--she may have made the Top 101.
― clemenza, Sunday, 21 January 2018 02:48 (six years ago) link
I could be wrong, of course, but judging by the user names on the spreadsheet I am not the only (semi-) lurker to vote in this poll...
Bresson was my #1. Rivette my #2. Went back and forth a few times between them.
Pialat was #3 - my highest-ranked director not to place. And of the ranked portion of my ballot (15 directors) he was the only one not to place.
Of the other directors I voted for, the following did not place:Andersson, RoyBerkeley, BusbyBrowning, TodDardenne, Jean-Luc & PierreDumont, BrunoFuller, SamuelHas, WojciechKlein, WilliamLaughton, CharlesMaysles, Albert & David, and Charlotte ZwerinMcLaren, NormanOliveira, Manoel dePakula, Alan J.
Of those, I fully expected to be the only vote for several of them, but it turns out that William Klein was the only director for whom I cast the sole vote.
Nice to see that four others voted for Laughton on the basis of that one great film.
McLaren must have been my introduction to experimental film techniques, as I first saw his films in school and on TV at a very young age, and I watched a lot of his work as a teenager/young adult as well.
I was a little surprised, but not really dismayed, to see Wiseman (my #5) place but not the Maysleses (to whom I gave an unranked vote).
Thanks to Eric H. for running the poll. Like all attempts to rank art it is ultimately meaningless, but that doesn't necessarily detract from the enjoyment of the attempt.
― Hans Holbein (Chinchilla Volapük), Sunday, 21 January 2018 03:12 (six years ago) link
Thanks for the rollout, Eric. I especially enjoyed slowly revealing the images to see if I would guess from the still who the director was. Oddly I seemed to have more difficulty in the top 20 than I did much of what came earlier — maybe the choice of images got more rarefied, and I"m a bozo cinephile.
I was the #1 vote for Joe Dante. I guess he's my Joe Shlabotnik. I didn't dwell on my ranking that much, but at the top I thought in terms of "whose films would I most regret never being able to see again?" And he was the sentimental childhood favorite. His films show show such an affection for movie history — they're really smart, but they aren't really trying to improve on or be more important than what they love — and yet his best films are better than most of their genre antecedents. They're really generous.
Then my #2 was Bresson who disavowed most of cinema as such. There you go.
― eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Sunday, 21 January 2018 05:01 (six years ago) link
Confession time: I've never watched any films from these directors.
35. Satyajit Ray (834.5 points; 11 votes)63. (tie) Hou Hsiao-hsien (554 points; 7 votes)69. Frederick Wiseman (513.5 points; 6 votes; 1 first-place vote)76. Aki Kaurismäki (480 points; 7 votes)86. Ousmane Sembène (435.5 points; 6 votes)96. Sergei Parajanov (385 points; 5 votes)
― adam the (abanana), Sunday, 21 January 2018 16:53 (six years ago) link
Satyajit Ray is good stuff! Apu trilogy is great but you can go to The Hero if you want something less in accordance to stereotypes of what dude's movies would be like.
― Daniel_Rf, Sunday, 21 January 2018 17:01 (six years ago) link
I'm a Parajanov virgin too, tbh.
― Tarr Yang Preminger Argento Carpenter (Eric H.), Sunday, 21 January 2018 18:47 (six years ago) link
I considered renting Color of Pomegranates yesterday, but opted for a couple Renoirs. This poll's given me a lot to check out.
― jmm, Sunday, 21 January 2018 19:15 (six years ago) link
wiseman was my highest ranked american director.
― plax (ico), Sunday, 21 January 2018 20:45 (six years ago) link
true, but I'm only mentioning it to annoy morbs
― plax (ico), Sunday, 21 January 2018 21:12 (six years ago) link
Another that I actually had in my ballot but left it out in the end. Have quite a bit of time for his documentaries
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 21 January 2018 21:39 (six years ago) link
Contrast ...
https://www.cinematary.com/writing/2018/7/9/the-2018-shmight-shmound-poll
01. David Lynch (188 total votes)02. Stanley Kubrick (183)03. Alfred Hitchcock (146)04. Abbas Kiarostami (99)05. Chantal Akerman (96)06. Akira Kurosawa (92) [tie]06. Andrei Tarkovsky (92) [tie]08. Terrence Malick (88)09. John Ford (85)10. Paul Thomas Anderson (82)11. Francis Ford Coppola (80)12. Martin Scorsese (78)13. Edward Yang (77) [tie]13. Ingmar Bergman (77) [tie]13. Wong Kar-wai (77) [tie]16. Jean-Luc Godard (75)17. Orson Welles (74)18. Howard Hawks (73)19. Yasujiro Ozu (72)20. Carl Theodor Dreyer (70)
High showings for Kiarostami, Akerman and Yang aside, our list is better.
― I Never Promised You A Hose Harden (Eric H.), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 17:55 (five years ago) link
huh guess this happened during my sabbatical. oh well.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 17:58 (five years ago) link
that list is better aside from fanboys' #1, and would prefer Preston Sturges supplanting Malick
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 18:07 (five years ago) link
I wouldn't put Lynch ahead of Welles or Hitchcock or Kubrick either. On the whole I'd say our list was better, otoh points off for both lists putting Tarkovsky in the top 10.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 18:11 (five years ago) link
yeah eric otm that list is booooring, lmfao at PTA in the top 10
xp I think Lynch was my #10... also Shakey you don't like Tarkovsky??
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 18:13 (five years ago) link
absolutely haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaate Solaris and Stalker, I'll be fucked if I'm watching any more of that guy's tiresome nonsense
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 18:13 (five years ago) link
Tarkovsky's fine with me, but he's Ingmar's student
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 18:14 (five years ago) link
I think I've just about recovered from my early-20s attempt at watching Solaris to try him again.
― Police, Academy (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 18:15 (five years ago) link
Solaris is not a particularly punishing work, for him.
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 18:19 (five years ago) link
That's what I'm afraid of.
― Police, Academy (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 18:20 (five years ago) link
wow !
well... try Ivan's Childhood, only 95 minutes! and really great!
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 18:42 (five years ago) link
the only thing that makes Solaris less "punishing" is how pretty it is. it's just as languorous as Stalker. i love both but Solaris is my favorite
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 18:44 (five years ago) link
I watched Stalker last summer in a theater and don't need to rewatch it.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 18:47 (five years ago) link
stalker is gorgeous too
i tend to be able to only watch tarkovsky films once as well though i've seen solaris 4-5 times (i intended to write about it)
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 18:48 (five years ago) link
punishing tarkovsky is def the sacrifice
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 18:49 (five years ago) link
xp it is, and i didn't find it boring, but Solaris i could watch over and over. colloidal silver oceans & pink skies vs. sepia dust world and radioactive waste
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 18:50 (five years ago) link
mirror is the tarkovsky for skeptics i think.
― difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 18:56 (five years ago) link
my favorite is The Mirror fwiw, but Andrei Rublev not far behind
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 18:57 (five years ago) link
I thought The Sacrifice was relatively accessible (for him), and is a favorite of mine along with The Mirror
― Dan S, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 22:50 (five years ago) link
Nostalghia is definitely his most 'inaccessible' for lack of a better word - but if you're on his frequency it's astonishing.
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 22:55 (five years ago) link
You have to look at the lists side by side. Putting aside placement, half of the two lists overlap. So it comes down these 10 from their list vs. these 10 from the ILX list:
Cinematary 10: Kiarostami, Akerman, Malick, Ford, P.T. Anderson, Coppola, Yang, Kar-wai, Hawks, Dreyer
ILX 10: Powell & Pressburger, Fassbinder, Buñuel, Altman, Renoir, Lang, Antonioni, Wilder, Murnau, Bresson
― clemenza, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 23:02 (five years ago) link