'this is nonsense' vs. 'this is a nonsense'

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this is nonsense 37
this is a nonsense 7


Mordy, Thursday, 18 January 2018 00:01 (six months ago) Permalink

I don't why people are saying "this is a nonsense" lately. It seems like a recent development.

Well bissogled trotters (Michael B), Thursday, 18 January 2018 00:04 (six months ago) Permalink

I was going to ask who says 'this is a nonsense' but then I remembered that Tory MPs say it all the time - must be a *public school thing. Also, I don't think it's a recent development at all.

(*i.e. private school)

Whiney Houston (Tom D.), Thursday, 18 January 2018 00:07 (six months ago) Permalink

I've never heard the second. Makes as much sense as me saying "A little fewer nonsense over there, please" to my class.

clemenza, Thursday, 18 January 2018 00:09 (six months ago) Permalink

it's def the kind of pretentious unnecessary change that some posh public school kids would start saying xp

Mordy, Thursday, 18 January 2018 00:09 (six months ago) Permalink

"a nonsense" is definitely a thing that I've heard english folk saying. not necessarily limited to the posh

khat person (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 18 January 2018 00:11 (six months ago) Permalink

Nonsense is a mass noun, not a count noun!

The Bridge of Ban Louis J (silby), Thursday, 18 January 2018 00:11 (six months ago) Permalink

John Giles forever

But they are different things

remember the lmao (darraghmac), Thursday, 18 January 2018 00:11 (six months ago) Permalink

And sometimes an adjective as in “a nonsense poem”

The Bridge of Ban Louis J (silby), Thursday, 18 January 2018 00:11 (six months ago) Permalink

"Making a nonsense of something", you're more likely to hear (non-Tory MP) people say tbf.

Whiney Houston (Tom D.), Thursday, 18 January 2018 00:12 (six months ago) Permalink

"this is a nonsense" is self-descriptive

jmm, Thursday, 18 January 2018 00:13 (six months ago) Permalink

they mean different things: hence, two different phrases

mark s, Thursday, 18 January 2018 00:14 (six months ago) Permalink

"this is nonsense" means what you think it means: this is rubbish, this is ridiculous, this makes no sense

"this is a nonsense" is more judgmental about activity leading to a situation or a result (ie it means some like oliver hardy's "you've made a fine mess of this")

mark s, Thursday, 18 January 2018 00:16 (six months ago) Permalink

the bit in brackets is a better stab at the meaning that the bit about judgment -- i'm still quite ill and my brain is swerving all over the place, i should actually go to bed

mark s, Thursday, 18 January 2018 00:18 (six months ago) Permalink

it's the opposite of a recent development

mark s, Thursday, 18 January 2018 00:19 (six months ago) Permalink

and it is class-flavoured, if not class-based, bcz the lowly don't get to say this much to their bosses

mark s, Thursday, 18 January 2018 00:20 (six months ago) Permalink

That's a nonsense mark tbh

remember the lmao (darraghmac), Thursday, 18 January 2018 00:21 (six months ago) Permalink

the class bit? maybe evidentially and historically, but i still think it accounts for the flavour

mark s, Thursday, 18 January 2018 00:26 (six months ago) Permalink

Never heard of "this is a nonsense" before tonight either. Seems like a nonsense tbh.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Thursday, 18 January 2018 02:08 (six months ago) Permalink

I winced at the last sentence as I typed it.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Thursday, 18 January 2018 02:09 (six months ago) Permalink

how do people feel about "makes a nonsense of" vs "makes nonsense of"? this definition suggests that they are interchangeable:

make (a) nonsense of sth
uk

C2 to make something appear stupid or wrong, or to spoil something:

His repeated lack of promotion makes nonsense of the theory that if you work hard you'll be successful.

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/make-a-nonsense-of-sth

soref, Thursday, 18 January 2018 02:41 (six months ago) Permalink

“a nonsense” = a farce, as far as I can tell. Maybe from “stuff and nonsense“?

attention vampire (MatthewK), Thursday, 18 January 2018 03:15 (six months ago) Permalink

nonsensical exists as a word, just saying

mh, Thursday, 18 January 2018 03:56 (six months ago) Permalink

'a nonsense' seems like an affectation people use to make themselves sound like a fusty old colonel or something

Badgers (dog latin), Thursday, 18 January 2018 09:39 (six months ago) Permalink

"this is an utter nonsense"

About 11,100 results (0.54 seconds)

hell is auteur people (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 18 January 2018 09:50 (six months ago) Permalink

"this is utterly nonsensical"

About 4,140 results (0.48 seconds)

hell is auteur people (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 18 January 2018 09:51 (six months ago) Permalink

"this is utter nonsense"

About 124,000 results (0.29 seconds)

hell is auteur people (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 18 January 2018 09:52 (six months ago) Permalink

"a load of old cobblers"

About 12,900 results (0.68 seconds)

hell is auteur people (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 18 January 2018 09:52 (six months ago) Permalink

"whatchu talkin bout willis"

About 36,500 results (0.65 seconds)

hell is auteur people (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 18 January 2018 09:53 (six months ago) Permalink

this is something i learnt the other day >

https://image.ibb.co/eVvaP6/Capture.jpg

faust apes (NickB), Thursday, 18 January 2018 10:00 (six months ago) Permalink

Nonce Sense lol. That ep is still one of the funniest things ever. "Paedophiles have more genes in common with crabs than they do with you and me. Now that's a scientific fact: there's no real evidence for it, but it is scientific fact."

Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Thursday, 18 January 2018 15:02 (six months ago) Permalink

Also "a nonsense" is ridiculous.

Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Thursday, 18 January 2018 15:02 (six months ago) Permalink

both good, this thread is some nonsense

ogmor, Thursday, 18 January 2018 15:17 (six months ago) Permalink

xp u mean "a ridiculous" surely

remember the lmao (darraghmac), Thursday, 18 January 2018 15:27 (six months ago) Permalink

I believe the correct phrasing is 'this is an nonsense'.

the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Thursday, 18 January 2018 15:39 (six months ago) Permalink

both good, this thread is *the correct usage*

Mordy, Thursday, 18 January 2018 15:44 (six months ago) Permalink

'this is madness' vs. 'this is a madness'

soref, Thursday, 18 January 2018 15:55 (six months ago) Permalink

soref gets it

ogmor, Thursday, 18 January 2018 16:11 (six months ago) Permalink

i've noticed on message boards over the years that declaring something to be "a bullshit" is a clear marker of an ESL contributor

Winter. Dickens. Yes. (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 18 January 2018 16:26 (six months ago) Permalink

improving the language one message board post at a time

hell is auteur people (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 18 January 2018 16:27 (six months ago) Permalink

i am stealing a bullshit

ogmor, Thursday, 18 January 2018 16:33 (six months ago) Permalink

Ooooooh, this is a nonsense!

https://i.imgur.com/cXmLtgo.gif

how's life, Thursday, 18 January 2018 16:55 (six months ago) Permalink

'this is madness' vs. 'this is a madness'

― soref, Thursday, January 18, 2018 9:55 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The first is correct when referring to the band, the second is the term of venery forrrrrrr...scorpions, I believe? 'This is a madness of deadly scorpions'? That sounds right to me.

the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Thursday, 18 January 2018 17:02 (six months ago) Permalink

i for one appreciate the linguistic innovations of esl ppl, youths, americans and any other ppl who haven't mastered english

ogmor, Thursday, 18 January 2018 17:04 (six months ago) Permalink

me too!

Winter. Dickens. Yes. (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 18 January 2018 17:10 (six months ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 00:01 (six months ago) Permalink

Leaving it this long was a nonsense tbh

Alderweireld Horses (darraghmac), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 00:03 (six months ago) Permalink

write-in vote for 'this is one nonsense'

Badgers (dog latin), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 00:20 (six months ago) Permalink

'this is a nonsense' reminds me of 'it's an open-y'

how's life, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 00:25 (six months ago) Permalink

Been looking for a good name for my pop ska Scorps tribute band. Thanks, Old Lunch.

mick signals, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 00:42 (six months ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Thursday, 1 February 2018 00:01 (six months ago) Permalink

A nonsense result why do you hate what you do not recognise

Alderweireld Horses (darraghmac), Thursday, 1 February 2018 09:55 (six months ago) Permalink

This is outrage

you can make fun of birthday parties all you want (ultros ultros-ghali), Thursday, 1 February 2018 14:14 (six months ago) Permalink

^^^doesn't get it

mark s, Thursday, 1 February 2018 14:15 (six months ago) Permalink

It is to weep.

lana del boy (ledge), Thursday, 1 February 2018 15:17 (six months ago) Permalink


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