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I think we should have a dedicated thread for discussing IT (2017) aka IT:CHAPTER ONE, directed by Andy Muschietti and starring a Skarsgård and some children, based on the book by Stephen King, as well as anticipating its sequel, set to be released in 2019

I found this film quite disappointing!

very stabbable gaius (wins), Thursday, 1 February 2018 12:24 (eight months ago) Permalink

my son thought it was v enjoyable but unfortunately I've been unable to give one fuck

bizarrer Gandhara (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 1 February 2018 12:25 (eight months ago) Permalink

obv it was insanely hyped and successful - it came along at the perfect time what with the renewed interest in horror & King & the whole stranger things thing - and it does a lot of things right (the kids are great and I really like the cinematography by Chung-hoon Chung) but for a 2.5 hour film it feels quite rushed somehow, just felt to me like it completely fizzled out after a strong start. And the "scares" are fuckin pathetic, that leper should be ashamed of himself, sub-freddy nightmare house is embarrassing, and the clown suuuuucks - he can pull a creepy face but that dumb voice was such a mistake. "mmm yummy fear" lol gtfo

Anyway they hit the clown with sticks the end

very stabbable gaius (wins), Thursday, 1 February 2018 12:33 (eight months ago) Permalink

I posted about it on another thread--haven't given it a thought since.

Poll Macabre: Stephen King On Film and TV

clemenza, Thursday, 1 February 2018 12:35 (eight months ago) Permalink

The miniseries had some pretty inventive (ever so slightly daft) scenes that weren't in the book, like the shower heads coming out and menacing Eddie who has a phobia of showering with the other boys. And then pennywise comes up out of the floor, and then - nothing happens. The killer clown has this tiny, naked kid literally cornered and the scene just ends. This sort of thing happens a lot in the miniseries, pennywise is basically just a prankster who jumps out & says boo but doesn't do anything.

I thought that the new one would at least improve on that side of things but nope, not only is it not scary there's never any sense of threat. He actually gets Stanley, has Stanley's face in his mouth for like a full minute, and Stanley has like a few tiny shallow cuts. Reminded me of watching tom & jerry as a kid & tom would swallow Jerry alive and jerry would get out & I was always like, why doesn't this cat just use his teeth to eat? Kidnapping bev & taking her to his lair to do nothing with was such tired supervillainry too. So much anticlimax. Henry Bowers falls down a thing. K.

very stabbable gaius (wins), Thursday, 1 February 2018 13:09 (eight months ago) Permalink

doesn't he bite that kids arm off or something idk?

bizarrer Gandhara (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 1 February 2018 13:20 (eight months ago) Permalink

Technically yes

very stabbable gaius (wins), Thursday, 1 February 2018 13:21 (eight months ago) Permalink

I think our Joel may have oversold this

bizarrer Gandhara (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 1 February 2018 13:21 (eight months ago) Permalink

It's cool how much the kids are digging this tbh, ilx consensus seems to be underwhelmed but we are miserable gits maybe

very stabbable gaius (wins), Thursday, 1 February 2018 13:25 (eight months ago) Permalink

I think one fatal problem with adapting this in 2017 is how much "scary clowns" became the worst epic bacon shit

Skarsgård is basically doing the exact same kind of "haha I'm so twisted" mugging that everyone ahem clowned Jared lego for and it's disgraceful that he isn't being equally derided imo

very stabbable gaius (wins), Thursday, 1 February 2018 13:32 (eight months ago) Permalink

some clickbait for those who often don't know which frigging Skarsgård ppl are actually talking about! For example I din't know the guy who plays Floki in Vikings is one as well, obv a terrible family and probably descended from nazi collaborators, but nevertheless...

http://junkee.com/guide-skarsgard-family/122139

the 'phet offensive (calzino), Thursday, 1 February 2018 13:42 (eight months ago) Permalink

justice for mike hanlon

hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Thursday, 1 February 2018 14:03 (eight months ago) Permalink

he was the book's main character, and he gets about, what, six speaking lines in the whole movie?

hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Thursday, 1 February 2018 14:04 (eight months ago) Permalink

My daughter has been obsessed with seeing this. At first I was reluctant, both because of the book but also because I wasn't sure she was ready for some hard-R freakout movie. But then I started reading about it and it just seems like a slightly above average but otherwise run of the mill jump-scare horror movie, and now I'm reluctant because I know she can do better! It's wild, though, being in the car with her and her early teen friends and hearing them talk about "It" like some right of passage "Faces of Death" like movie. Especially when something like "Gerald's Game" is just sitting there on Netflix and it is so much more intense.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 1 February 2018 14:07 (eight months ago) Permalink

that first scene with georgie is terrifying, but the rest of the scares pretty much follow the same formula: 1) kid hears a strange noise, 2) kid investigates the noise, 3) kid realizes something is out of the ordinary, but continues onward out of curiosity, 4) JUMP, 5) chase

hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Thursday, 1 February 2018 14:11 (eight months ago) Permalink

sub-freddy nightmare house is embarrassing

Yeah, this stuff was all seemingly tailor-made to be imitated by small-town low-budget haunted houses for many Octobers to come.

Can we talk about all the kids sitting around in their tighty whiteys to the tune of Bust a Move during the quarry scene? A chick walks by you wish you could sex her/but you're standing on the wall like you was Poindexter. I didn't need anything about any of that.

how's life, Thursday, 1 February 2018 14:12 (eight months ago) Permalink

The mike thing really ticked off the part of me that is still 15 and obsessed with the novel - they took away his whole deal and gave it to the kid who already has like two whole deals 😡

very stabbable gaius (wins), Thursday, 1 February 2018 14:13 (eight months ago) Permalink

Yeah, completely unforgivable.

how's life, Thursday, 1 February 2018 14:17 (eight months ago) Permalink

Stan otoh even in the book doesn't have much of a deal beyond "is going to kill himself", when you don't get that upfront it's just a bit of a nothing character

very stabbable gaius (wins), Thursday, 1 February 2018 14:19 (eight months ago) Permalink

xp he also likes birds

hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Thursday, 1 February 2018 14:20 (eight months ago) Permalink

Likes birds, is doomed: not gonna lie, it isn't much but it's more than this film could be bothered to come up with

Here we get: is Jewish, does uhhh Jewish stuff

scrüt (wins), Thursday, 1 February 2018 14:53 (eight months ago) Permalink

the change made me wonder if they're planning to kill him off instead for some reason

Simon H., Thursday, 1 February 2018 15:01 (eight months ago) Permalink

wins otm. enjoyably Stranger Things, but not very scary and the payback was kind of a cop out 'I am not afraid of you' believe in yourself garbage. Shame really. I liked it more than I didn't like it

Badgers (dog latin), Thursday, 1 February 2018 15:03 (eight months ago) Permalink

I should watch this, I guess. My sister loved it and she's the harshest horror fan I know. Nothing passes muster with her (the last film I can remember us giving a collective two thumbs up was Home Movie).

Senior Soft-Serve Tech at the Froyo Arroyo (Old Lunch), Thursday, 1 February 2018 15:09 (eight months ago) Permalink

It isn't completely awful it just doesn't live up to its rep imo. Hopefully some people will come and say nice things about it at some point (jclc really liked it iirc)

scrüt (wins), Thursday, 1 February 2018 15:11 (eight months ago) Permalink

If you like stranger things at its best you'll like the interactions between the kids for sure. Wee nebbish germophobe + Finn wolfhard are a legit hilarious double act

scrüt (wins), Thursday, 1 February 2018 15:15 (eight months ago) Permalink

I appreciate it as a coming of age film, Finn Wolfhard (still can't believe this is his real name) was a great Richie, the actress who played Beverly was great. Like someone upthread said, it felt a little thin for 2.5 hours, but there were plenty of genuinely creepy moments

hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Thursday, 1 February 2018 15:20 (eight months ago) Permalink

Finn wolfhard and chosen Jacobs

scrüt (wins), Thursday, 1 February 2018 15:21 (eight months ago) Permalink

xp yeah, eddie was great too, his chapters were always the hardest for me to get through in the book, but the kid who played him had a lot of charm and one of the best "i'm horrified" looks in the biz

hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Thursday, 1 February 2018 15:21 (eight months ago) Permalink

not enough sewergangbanging imo

your skeleton is ready to hatch (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 1 February 2018 15:25 (eight months ago) Permalink

It was interesting to read in that vulture piece that the original script had a version of that scene! (The fukunaga version of this would for sure have been better, nobody doubts this right)

scrüt (wins), Thursday, 1 February 2018 15:28 (eight months ago) Permalink

it’s so weird to me that this beloved book, which has spawned a tv series and two movies and is to this day a cornerstone of its writer’s career, has a pivotal scene where a bunch of underage kids fuck in a sewer

your skeleton is ready to hatch (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 1 February 2018 15:30 (eight months ago) Permalink

no doubt. cary's a mean old daddy, but i like him fine.

hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Thursday, 1 February 2018 15:31 (eight months ago) Permalink

xp it's surprisingly easy to forget about considering there are approximately 2000 pages where kids aren't fucking in a sewer

hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Thursday, 1 February 2018 15:31 (eight months ago) Permalink

Another thing I thought was well done was what king in the book calls the apocalyptic rock fight. I like how they abruptly cut to a wide shot and it suddenly looks exactly as pathetic as a rock fight would irl. Reminds me of a similar moment in twin peaks s3 where shit's getting crazy and there's a sudden cut to a master shot that just hilariously deflates the scene

scrüt (wins), Thursday, 1 February 2018 15:32 (eight months ago) Permalink

Cocaine is a helluva drug xp

scrüt (wins), Thursday, 1 February 2018 15:33 (eight months ago) Permalink

I already discussed this in the thread on King adaptations as well, but I liked it. Nothing really scary beyond the prologue (though I did jump during the projector scene), and (echoing clemenza in the other thread), I'm just sick to death of busy CGI effects. It would be nice if the whole 80s nostalgia thing that a lot of movies/TV are going for these days would extend one of them using 80s-style practical FX.

The cast was fantastic, and I would go so far as to say that this is one of the best set of child actors I've ever seen on film. The film worked for me as both a coming-of-age movie and even as a sentimental Spielberg-esque suburban fantasy (call me a sap, but the stuff with the brothers worked for me in a straightforward tearjerker-y way). Just not so much as a horror movie.

iCloudius (cryptosicko), Thursday, 1 February 2018 17:54 (eight months ago) Permalink

the kids' swearing was the best part of the movie

Simon H., Thursday, 1 February 2018 17:55 (eight months ago) Permalink

loved the book and was disappointed by the movie, structurally it was a failure because the power and immensity of the evil of 'it' in the book is best demonstrated by the frequent flipping back and forth between the childhood/adult timelines. despite everything they went thru as kids, they forgot everything and ended up repeating and recreating the abusive and traumatic and toxic circumstances of their youth (i.e. beverly's husband). that was totally lost in the movie and defanged 'it'

flappy bird, Thursday, 1 February 2018 18:07 (eight months ago) Permalink

this is one of the best set of child actors I've ever seen on film

otm. issues I had were with the script, not with the performances. the adults didn't really act like recognizable humans to me, but I kind of understand that as an artistic choice. the novel makes clear that It affects all the adults in Derry to make them either monsters or bystanders. but it could've been a little less bodysnatchers-y

hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Thursday, 1 February 2018 18:11 (eight months ago) Permalink

Yeah I could see what they were going for and I liked that they made Henry's & Bev's dads and the pharmacist even nastier but it's a bit much to have every adult be a dead-eyed psychopath the whole time

Similarly the creepy tv show in the background the whole time is neat in some ways but having the adults be literally hypnotised by a subliminal message is a bit too, well, literal

scrüt (wins), Thursday, 1 February 2018 18:22 (eight months ago) Permalink

Reminds me of a similar moment in twin peaks s3 where shit's getting crazy and there's a sudden cut to a master shot that just hilariously deflates the scene

― scrüt (wins), Thursday, February 1, 2018 9:32 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Ha, okay, the TP scene you're referring to is hilarious and I think you've sold me on this for all the wrong reasons.

Senior Soft-Serve Tech at the Froyo Arroyo (Old Lunch), Thursday, 1 February 2018 18:26 (eight months ago) Permalink

iirc from the book, the pharmacist was not a bad dude at all.

how's life, Thursday, 1 February 2018 18:28 (eight months ago) Permalink

In the book it's suggested that even tho he's "doing the right thing" he takes a sadistic pleasure in upending eddie's world

scrüt (wins), Thursday, 1 February 2018 18:31 (eight months ago) Permalink

Ha, okay, the TP scene you're referring to is hilarious and I think you've sold me on this for all the wrong reasons.

If you go in for the comedy those are prob the right reasons! It's what this film does well

scrüt (wins), Thursday, 1 February 2018 18:32 (eight months ago) Permalink

yeah the pharmacist was certainly mean, at the very least. he was also very involved in the 1930 murder of the gangsters in the book.

hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Thursday, 1 February 2018 18:36 (eight months ago) Permalink

Oh yeah, I remember that now.

how's life, Thursday, 1 February 2018 18:46 (eight months ago) Permalink

i haven't watched this one yet but is it actually any good?

it got a lot of mixed reviews

infinity (∞), Thursday, 1 February 2018 18:51 (eight months ago) Permalink

I have no opinions about cgi blood but I agree that the dance is scary

scrüt (wins), Thursday, 1 February 2018 20:11 (eight months ago) Permalink

lol, what are those props back there anyway? Like the thing he kicks?

how's life, Thursday, 1 February 2018 20:13 (eight months ago) Permalink

one of the central ideas/qualities of 'it' is that it is eternal & cyclical, and by flipping back and forth between the 50s and the 80s in the book, demonstrating how nothing has changed in the future even as the kids struggle and fight and do their best in teh 50s

someone said in an interview that the kids are gonna return for flashbacks in part 2. but yes, even though the adult story is less interesting imo, the cutting back and forth was super disorienting and helped build up that sense of dread.

hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Thursday, 1 February 2018 21:02 (eight months ago) Permalink

Don't most productions these days use CGI blood, since it's a lot cheaper than resetting with freshly cleaned up actors and new squibs?

Millennial Whoop, wanna fight about it? (Phil D.), Thursday, 1 February 2018 21:27 (eight months ago) Permalink

cgi blood is not cheaper than just dumping some liquid on the floor and filming it. it's done out of laziness.

kurt schwitterz, Thursday, 1 February 2018 21:39 (eight months ago) Permalink

the most drippy goopy scary movies ever made are the lowest of the low budgets.

kurt schwitterz, Thursday, 1 February 2018 21:39 (eight months ago) Permalink

and cgi blood does have its place i guess, but this particular instance just looked so BAD

kurt schwitterz, Thursday, 1 February 2018 21:53 (eight months ago) Permalink

cgi blood was used v effectively and beautifully in the tv series hannibal

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 1 February 2018 21:55 (eight months ago) Permalink

https://media.giphy.com/media/ZSdirlR9iUm6Q/giphy.gif

Things were certainly gloopier back then

scrüt (wins), Thursday, 1 February 2018 22:04 (eight months ago) Permalink

the fake blood in the chinese detective series WHEN A SNAIL FALLS IN LOVE (which everyone shd be watching as it is interesting) is a mysterious orange colour
luxury, criminal decadence, martial-arts cops and profiling on the streets of the people's republic of china: WHEN A SNAIL FALLS IN LOVE

mark s, Thursday, 1 February 2018 22:06 (eight months ago) Permalink

https://findingfaeries.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/itbloodinsink.gif

Wow things were also drippy back then kurt I think you're into something

scrüt (wins), Thursday, 1 February 2018 22:12 (eight months ago) Permalink

Should have been that image, my beautiful joke is ruined

scrüt (wins), Thursday, 1 February 2018 22:12 (eight months ago) Permalink

the ponytails were longer back then

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 1 February 2018 22:13 (eight months ago) Permalink

Re Jon Boy and his drippiness the 1990 version has one of my favourite unintentionally funny moments when bill is furiously tapping out his latest novel, obviously meant to be a Stephen King stand-in, and you hear the words in v.o. as he types them and it's complete fucking flannel, and then he leans back and whispers to himself "yeah. yeah."

scrüt (wins), Thursday, 1 February 2018 22:22 (eight months ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aE1oX0A-qKk

It's exactly 1 minute in here

scrüt (wins), Thursday, 1 February 2018 22:22 (eight months ago) Permalink

the pile of cocaine must have been just offscreen

hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Thursday, 1 February 2018 22:23 (eight months ago) Permalink

The only other good thing in the adults part of that miniseries is ben the architect's apartment

scrüt (wins), Thursday, 1 February 2018 22:25 (eight months ago) Permalink

"hampstead heath, england"

s/b "west england"" iirc

mark s, Thursday, 1 February 2018 22:27 (eight months ago) Permalink

xp: he's got a french horn or something up here, right?

Also, love the phrase "complete fucking flannel".

how's life, Thursday, 1 February 2018 23:24 (eight months ago) Permalink

Yeah the horn is hung on the wall! He also has some crazy chairs iirc and the headboard on his bed is adorned with i) pictures of pies and ii) the letter π

It's an amazing idea of what a hotshot architect's apartment might look like

scrüt (wins), Thursday, 1 February 2018 23:32 (eight months ago) Permalink

Can't find a pic ☹️

scrüt (wins), Thursday, 1 February 2018 23:34 (eight months ago) Permalink

Schwitterz makes compelling case itt folks

There's a chapter in the book that says

chapter x

Nothing much happened for the rest of the summer

In always liked that

Alderweireld Horses (darraghmac), Thursday, 1 February 2018 23:49 (eight months ago) Permalink

it's a rip from a chapter in something wicked this way comes: "Nothing much else happened, all the rest of that night." king book v indebted to something wicked in general imo. needful things too prob.

difficult listening hour, Friday, 2 February 2018 03:15 (eight months ago) Permalink

I've never actually read the books, but I watched the 90s miniseries A LOT as a kid and still have a soft spot for it despite it being mostly terrible (I think I told this story on ILX before, about being around age 9 and climbing into the fridge to scare my younger cousins, right after we first watched it lol). I feel like kids today might feel the same way about this film eventually.

Anyway, Tim Curry >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skarsgard. And in both the film and the miniseries, the kid actors are the best (RIP Jonathan Brandis <3). Finn Wolfhard does seem like he's destined for a Seth Green-esque career, too.

Roz, Friday, 2 February 2018 05:38 (eight months ago) Permalink

I really hope not.

fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Friday, 2 February 2018 06:06 (eight months ago) Permalink

This thread title keeps making me think of Faith No More's "Epic"

fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Friday, 2 February 2018 06:27 (eight months ago) Permalink

wins!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wXk1jqgHC4

how's life, Friday, 2 February 2018 13:29 (eight months ago) Permalink

I hadn't noticed the armadillo bolo tie before.

how's life, Friday, 2 February 2018 13:31 (eight months ago) Permalink

Haha so I kind of misremembered every detail (don't think I ever noticed the basketball net either)

scrüt (wins), Friday, 2 February 2018 17:34 (eight months ago) Permalink

ok this thread said almost everything I thought; except I found the kids all pretty irritating in this, particularly stranger things kid. also there is just no real sense of tension or foreboding doom, just jump scares (that aren't scary).

akm, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 16:06 (eight months ago) Permalink

idk I never really expected major scares in this one, it's just as much a coming of age story.

clowns aren't that scary in 2018 also

Hi diddley dee, hen fapper's life for me (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 18:06 (eight months ago) Permalink

Well just from the source material I was expecting more of an effort to be scary, since it is largely a novel about fear! It manifests as whatever your deepest-rooted fears are (pennywise himself is almost incidental and like a lot of king monsters talks too damn much to be very scary)

scrüt (wins), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 18:13 (eight months ago) Permalink

Recently, "Jesus-please-us" has become one of my go-to involuntary exclamations. A stupid imp from the recesses of my brain when simpler swears should suffice. I thought it was just something I had picked up from my mom, but it would be out of character for her to take the Lord's name in vain. Then it hit me:

"Lookit that gut!" Henry cried in amazed disgust. "Jesus-please-us!"
Victor and Belch laughed some more.

"How deep do you think we are, Eddie?" Richie asked.
"Quarter of a mile," Eddie said. "Maybe more."
"Jesus-please-us," Beverly said.

Per google, it pops up in half a dozen or so of King's other works as well.

how's life, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 18:16 (eight months ago) Permalink

That's one of the more tolerable of king's "colourful" twee minced oaths, also yes one that people actually say irl

scrüt (wins), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 18:17 (eight months ago) Permalink

Marginally better than "jeezum crow" I guess.

how's life, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 18:26 (eight months ago) Permalink

lisey's story is legit unbearable due to that shit, it's the epitome of king's "every character is Ned Flanders with Tourette's" dreadful babytalk dialogue (I haven't read in a while but I'm pretty sure misery is the only time this has ever worked). I guess you don't get to be Stephen King by having a sense of embarrassment but all the doodlycunt fartboogeroony stuff is difficult, difficult work to get through

scrüt (wins), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 18:31 (eight months ago) Permalink

finally let my daughter watch this movie after realizing it's just another stupid horror movie and not quite like the book, thank goodness. I think she was suitably disappointed by the generic jump scariness of it.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 18:33 (eight months ago) Permalink

Marginally better than "jeezum crow" I guess.

Laws, yes!

Supporters Fear Dan's Post Will Lack The Edge They Love (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 18:38 (eight months ago) Permalink

Dying at doodlycunt fartboogeroony, btw

Supporters Fear Dan's Post Will Lack The Edge They Love (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 18:40 (eight months ago) Permalink

M-O-O-N that spells fuckdiddles

Alderweireld Horses (darraghmac), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 19:11 (eight months ago) Permalink

Hahaha

Hi diddley dee, hen fapper's life for me (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 19:51 (eight months ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

I really liked this and not just for contrarian reasons or bcz you guys are a bunch of buzzkills

I felt a lot of the genuine stomach-tightening fear that I remembered from reading the book as a kid. And I liked the dead-eyed “creature” style portrayal that Skarsgard brought - Curry’s Pennywise was great and an excellent choice for him as an actor but in terms of the book, I liked that this version had such an otherness about it that it never behaved like a fully-formed clown, but a thing’s idea of a clown. Idk.

The kids were great, Beverly and Bill especially. Also liked the music choices - Anthrax rock fight was \m/

I did feel that the story got too rote after a while and it does suffer without the back and forth but it wasn’t a bad or unenjoyable movie at all by any means.

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 4 March 2018 07:45 (seven months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Try again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuBn9FRuFcI

how's life, Monday, 9 April 2018 16:38 (six months ago) Permalink

for all the praise Skarsgård got there's really no competition over which performance will be remembered as scarier or more iconic, huh?

Evan R, Monday, 9 April 2018 16:59 (six months ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmOLwrvH-Ag

how's life, Monday, 16 April 2018 22:57 (six months ago) Permalink

RIP but my god he was terrible in that

scotti pruitti (wins), Tuesday, 17 April 2018 06:11 (six months ago) Permalink

three months pass...

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