This life's HARD man, but it's HARDER if you're stupid! aka CRIME/MYSTERY/THRILLER/NOIR movie POLL nominations thread

How do we feel about gialli falling under these genres? I feel like a whole lot of Argento belongs on here: Deep Red, The Bird with the Crystal Plumage, Tenebrae, Trauma . . .

Maybe some Fulci, too, but I don't like any of his movies anywhere near as much.

For organizing polls to fit more options --
run several polls, concurrently or in a series, dividing fils by decade?

Updated ballot (my comments on some of these are upthread)
Nightmare Alley
Blade Runner
No Country For Old Men
Get Carter
Chinatown
Clash By Night
The Postman Always Rings Twice (all three versions prob, although been a while since I've seen the Italian)
Detour
Act of Violence
In A Lonely Place
Vertigo
Taxi Driver
Salesman
The Human Beast (good info here, and I gotta check some of those linked under People Who Liked This Also Liked...)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0029957/

Bitter Moon
Hell or High Water
Good Time
12 Angry Men
On the Waterfront
Sexy Beast
The Vanishing (1988)

Hell Or High Water will def be high on my list. So good.

wind river on that note

I nominated that one already

nods

Touchez pas au Grisbi
Classes Tous Risques
The League of Gentleman
The Silent Partner
The Anderson Tapes
Investigation of a Citizen Above Suspicion
Milan Caliber 9
Cash on Demand

Oh right, Classes Tous Risques. I grabbed the Criterion DVD when I found an inexplicably cheap used copy a few years ago. Time to finally watch that thing!

Milano Calibro 9 is such an amazing movie. I like a lot of that poliziotteschi stuff but that's the one I'd recommend even to ppl who don't share my tolerance of the campier aspects of the genre.

Love Investigation... too. I tried starting an Elio Petri thread sometime ago but there were no takers.

Quai des Orfèvres
Ronin
Jumping Jack Flash

Rififi
The Public Enemy
Scarface (1932 and 1983)
Little Caesar
No Orchids for Miss Blandish
The Story of Temple Drake

Panic Room. Underrated Fincher IMO.

In my mind I distinguish between crime films (lone wolves or small groups of freelance professionals) and gangster films (from Cagney and Robinson to the Godfathers to yer triad and yakuza epics). I'm not suggesting anyone else adopt this weird distinction tbh.

Does anyone remember the name of a black-and-white movie about a heist in a small midwestern town? 1950s or early 60s. Maybe not Robert Aldrich or Don Siegel, but someone like that. It focuses on a cross-section of the townspeople rather than just robbers, iirc. And there's a pretty brutal fight scene in a farm or barn or something.

Anyway - that film.

not an answer to that question but another nomination:

Bad Day at Black Rock

Crime Wave (1953)
The Phenix City Story
Kansas City
Kansas City Confidential
The Set-Up
Little Murders

The Honeymoon Killers

Oh, and a couple of Fullers:
The Naked Kiss
Underworld USA

I love Little Murders, but it's really stretching things to call it a crime/mystery/thriller/noir movie! I mean, The In-Laws is a closer fit, if we're talking Alan Arkin joints.

I don't agree at all, especially compared to some of these nominations.

Damnation
Europa
Police (1985)
L'argent

Les Diaboliques

nominations thus far!

12 Angry Men
25th Hour
52 Pick-Up
A Colt Is My Passport
A Fish Called Wanda
A Prophet
A Short Film About Killing
A Simple Plan
Accident (2009)
Ace in the Hole
Act of Violence
All the President's Men
Animal Kingdom
Army of Shadows
Asphalt (1929)
Atlantic City
Bad Day at Black Rock
Bad Lieutenant: Port of Call New Orleans
Badlands
Basic Instinct
Batman Returns
Battles Without Honour and Humanity
Big Deal on Madonna Street
Big Guns/Tony Arzenta
Bitter Moon
Blade Runner
Blast of Silence
Blood Simple
Blue Ruin
Blue Velvet
Bob le Flambeur
Boiling Point
Bonnie and Clyde
Bound
Branded to Kill
Breathless
Brick
Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia
Brute Force
Carlito’s Way
Cash on Demand
Casino
Catch Me If You Can
Charley Varrick
China Moon
Chinatown
City On Fire
Clash By Night
Classes Tous Risques
Clue
Collateral
Cop
Crime Wave (1954)
Crime Wave (1985, John Paizs)
Criss Cross
Cutter's Way
Damnation
Dark City
Das Boot
Dead Calm
Dead Heat
Dead Man's Shoes
Deep Red
Detour
Devil in a Blue Dress
Dial M For Murder
Dirty Harry
Dog Day Afternoon
Double Indemnity
Dr. Mabuse the Gambler
Drive
Drunken Angel
Eastern Promises
Election
Elevator to the Gallows
Elle
Emergency Squad
End of Watch
Enemy of the State
Europa
Family Plot
Fantomas
Fargo
Force of Evil
Frenzy
Fury (1936)
Gaslight (1944)
Get Carter (1971)
Ghost Dog: The Way of the Samurai
Gone Baby Gone
Gone Girl
Good Time
Goodfellas
Green For Danger
Gun Crazy
Hana-bi
Hard Candy
Heat
Hell is a City
Hell or High Water
High and Low
Hitman
Homicide
House of Bamboo
House of Games
I Confess
Il Divo
In a Lonely Place
In Bruges
Infernal Affairs II
Inherent Vice
Insomnia (1997)
Into The Night
Investigation of a Citizen Above Suspicion
Jackie Brown
Johnny Dangerously
Johnny Handsome
Jumping Jack Flash
Kansas City
Kansas City Confidential
Key Largo
Killer Joe
Kiss Kiss Bang Bang
Kiss Me Deadly
Kiss of Death
L.A. Confidential
L'argent
La Balance
La Ceremonie
Laura
Le Boucher
Le Cercle Rouge
Le Deuxième souffle
Le Doulos
Le Jour Se Leve (1938)
Le Samourai
Le Trou
Leon / The Professional
Les Diaboliques
Light Sleeper
Little Caesar
Little Murders
Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels
M
Manhunter
Memento
Memories of Murder
Mesrine: Public Enemy#1/Killer Instinct
Michael Clayton
Milano Calibro 9
Miller's Crossing
Mona Lisa
Mulholland Drive
Murder, My Sweet
Night and the City
Night Moves
Night of the Hunter
Nightcrawler
Nightmare Alley
No Country For Old Men
No Orchids for Miss Blandish
Non-Stop
Notorious
Odd Man Out
Old Boy
Oldboy
On Dangerous Ground
On the Waterfront
One False Move
Out of Sight
Out of the Past
Panama Lady (1939)
Panic Room
Paper Moon
Payday
Peeping Tom
Pepe le Moko
Perfect Blue
Petrified Forest
Pickpocket
Pickup on South Street
Pigs & Battleships
Pitfall
Point Blank
Police (1985)
Pool Of London
Port of Shadows
Private Detective 62 (1933)
Pulp Fiction
Purple Moon
Pusher
Pusher II: With Blood On My Hands
Pusher III: I'm the Angel of Death
Quai des Orfèvres
Raw Deal (1948)
Rear Window
Red Riding 1980
Red Rock West
Reservoir Dogs
Revolver
Rififi
River's Edge
Robbery
Ronin
Run Lola Run
Running Scared (1986)
Salesman
Salvatore Giuliano
Scarface (1932)
Scarface (1983)
Scarlet Street
Se7en
Serie Noire
Sexy Beast
Shadow of a Doubt
Shaft (1971)
Side Street
Snake Eyes
Sonatine
Stranger on the Third Floor (1940)
Strangers on a Train
Straw Dogs
Stray Dog
Subway
Sunset Blvd.
Sweet Smell of Success
Taxi Driver
Tell No One
Tenebrae
The 39 Steps
The American Friend
The Anderson Tapes
The Asphalt Jungle
The Big Clock
The Big Combo
The Big Easy
The Big Heat
The Big Lebowski
The Big Sleep
The Bird With the Crystal Plumage
The Breaking Point
The Conversation
The Cotton Club
The Criminal
The Docks of New York (1928)
The French Connection
The Friends of Eddie Coyle
The Fugitive
The General (1998)
The Getaway (1972)
The Godfather III
The Good Thief
The Grifters
The Grissom Gang
The Handmaiden
The Hidden
The Hit
The Hitch Hiker
The Honeymoon Killers
The Hot Rock
The Human Beast
The Hunt For Red October
The In-Laws
The Informer (1929)
The Italian Connection
The Killers (1946)
The Killers (1964)
The Killing
The Killing of a Chinese Bookie
The Ladykillers (1955)
The Last Seduction
The Late Show
The League of Gentleman
The Limey
The Line-Up
The Lodger
The Long Good Friday
The Long Goodbye
The Long Kiss Goodnight
The Maltese Falcon
The Man Upstairs
The Musketeers of Pig Alley (1912)
The Naked City
The Naked Kiss
The Offence
The Outside Man/Un Homme Est Mort
The Phenix City Story
The Poseidon Adventure
The Postman Always Rings Twice (1946)
The Postman Always Rings Twice (1981)
The Public Enemy
The Raid
The Raid 2
The Set-Up
The Ship That Died Of Shame
The Silence of the Lambs
The Silent Partner
The Small World Of Sammy Lee
The Spanish Prisoner
The Sting
The Story of Temple Drake
The Stranger
The Taking of Pelham One Two Three
The Thin Man
The Third Man
The Two Jakes
The Untouchables
The Vanishing (1988)
The Wages of Fear
The Woman in the Window
They Drive by Night (UK, 1938)
They Live By Night
Thief
Thieves Highway
Three Days of the Condor
Thunderbolt (1929)
Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy
To Die For
Tokyo Drifter
Total Recall
Touch of Evil
Touchez pas au Grisbi
Trauma
Two Lane Blacktop
Underworld (1927)
Underworld USA
Vengeance is Mine
Vertigo
Violent Cop
White Heat
Who Framed Roger Rabbit?
Who'll Stop The Rain?
Wind River
Witness
Woman in the Dark (1934)
Yojimbo
Z
Zodiac

338 films

The Passenger

The Lady from Shanghai
Angel Face
Murder By Contract
Gilda
Leave Her to Heaven

You left off Rounders or omitted it intentionally, which is fine--the more I think about the thread title, it doesn't really fit. There are gambling films that obviously do, but Rounders would be pushing it.

The Strange Love of Martha Ivers

wait, godfather 3 is nominated but not the first two?

I haven't seen Rounders but I suspect it fits the thread better than The Poseidon Adventure.

(xpost, but was wondering about that Godfather thing as well)

Re. Das Boot: I would argue that war pictures don't belong on this poll. Unless someone wants to make a distinction between official combat versus espionage, sabotage, and/or personal beefs?

As for The Poseidon Adventure, natural disasters seem to me to be right out.

Beyond the Poseidon Adventure is about crims if i remember but who wants to vote for that?

Oldboy is duplicated as Old Boy in the list btw

Alphaville

Le Corbeau
1940 version of Gaslight
Infernal Affairs (only II seems to be listed?)
Panique

I refrained from commenting on The Poseidon Adventure when I saw that. I tend to be pretty loose when it comes to nominations (as I've said many times, specious ones die of their own speciousness), but...

Shoot the Piano Player

Oops I'll update with Rounders later thanks for the heads up.

Even I'm not voting for Poseidon Adventure here.

I was leaving it open w/noms but as far as thrillers go I guess I was thinking more on the Hitchcock or Depalma or even Argento tip than big old thrilling action-y films.

wait, godfather 3 is nominated but not the first two?

Yes, everyone was avoiding nominating Godfather movies, so I went ahead and nominated one.

Close poll immediately.

(Er, close nominations rather)

Brighton Rock

let’s get them on the books
Godfather
Godfather II

my def of "thriller" is very informed by I guess 80s/90s promotional genre language, in which The Hunt For Red October is functionally a "thriller" in the same way as The Fugitive - films that contain suspense, revolve around adult characters, maybe with some intrigue or a heavier mood, marketed as at people in their 30s and 40s more than teenagers, but with more thrills/chases/stakeouts/death than just a "drama." basically the descendants of hitchcock for better or worse.

and so yeah I'd include poseidon but I'd also understand someone saying it's off in a different zone of popcorn movies despite the gestures at adult themes and the age cross-section of the cast etc. problem is we already did "action" so I dunno if "blockbusters" / "spectacles" or w/e will ever exist as a category, and "disaster movies" might be too niche. i dunno, it's not my poll and i doubt I'd actually end up with room for poseidon on my ballot but imho that's exactly how these things shake out - take a broad view with the noms and then the results indicate what people really think the genres contain.

Diva

London Alert: the Prince Charles is showing Gun Crazy next Tuesday.

of course another thing thriller" covers propmotionally, sometimes with "erotic" in front of it, is non-supernatural horror.... your cape fears and straw dogses. and those I don't think feel belong alongside mysteries and noirs.... can't explain why. "legal thriller" also another one but I can't imagine voting for any of those in any poll whatsoever, zzzzzzz

I wouldn't vote for it myself, but I remember Croupier as being pretty noirish.