I don’t know myself tbh, I do like all the loanwords we ended up with
― valorous wokelord (silby), Saturday, 2 June 2018 18:39 (five years ago) link
the harrying of the north was a pretty rough move, but you can't deny William was pretty bad-ass.
― calzino, Saturday, 2 June 2018 19:02 (five years ago) link
One set of aristos running a hostile takeover on another set, I dunno
― Karius whisper (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 2 June 2018 19:14 (five years ago) link
Presumably in the later 11th century there was a bunch of pundits who were pleased that we were part of a European union tho
― Karius whisper (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 2 June 2018 19:16 (five years ago) link
can never keep straight in my head which set of ye done worse on us tbh
― laurel or hardyhearin (darraghmac), Saturday, 2 June 2018 19:31 (five years ago) link
It all comes down to how you feel about the past nine and a half centuries of English history. Personally, I have mixed feelings.
― A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 2 June 2018 19:35 (five years ago) link
iirc it was the Normans that started the colonization process D
― Karius whisper (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 2 June 2018 19:36 (five years ago) link
Bloody Normans coming here, taking our jobs...
― 2018 has to be better (snoball), Saturday, 2 June 2018 19:48 (five years ago) link
spiny norman clming here taking our hogs
― laurel or hardyhearin (darraghmac), Saturday, 2 June 2018 19:49 (five years ago) link
nv i think that may be correct
but to align myself too tightly with that view would be to accept that some sections of anglo-saxons have suffered alongside us imo
so im taking knee for the team yunnerstand
― laurel or hardyhearin (darraghmac), Saturday, 2 June 2018 19:51 (five years ago) link
Normans v. Saxons. Bloody immigrants.
― Poisoned by Johan's pea soup. (Tom D.), Saturday, 2 June 2018 19:52 (five years ago) link
formorian OG
― laurel or hardyhearin (darraghmac), Saturday, 2 June 2018 19:55 (five years ago) link
It is pretty funny that the Norman Conquest did give us hundreds of years of England claiming the throne of France, like, lol
― valorous wokelord (silby), Saturday, 2 June 2018 20:07 (five years ago) link
Like did they ever officially stop claiming it
....and ireland and Scotland..
― laurel or hardyhearin (darraghmac), Saturday, 2 June 2018 20:08 (five years ago) link
Those aren’t as funny :(
― valorous wokelord (silby), Saturday, 2 June 2018 20:09 (five years ago) link
Given that the Normans was only semi-domesticated vikings whose cousins had already given Ireland the business it's just one bunch of shitheads after another. There's no real nation states back then so I haven't got a clue who'd count as an immigrant anyway, it's not like England or Ireland had been single unified kingdoms for v long by the time the conquest happened
― Karius whisper (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 2 June 2018 20:10 (five years ago) link
Scotland invited the Normans in btw.
― Poisoned by Johan's pea soup. (Tom D.), Saturday, 2 June 2018 20:11 (five years ago) link
Yeah silby I think there was a point when some king or queen formally renounced their claim to France but it's late on, 16th century at the very earliesy
― Karius whisper (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 2 June 2018 20:12 (five years ago) link
What is it with Scotland and inviting your future oppressors to stick it to you?
― Karius whisper (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 2 June 2018 20:13 (five years ago) link
That reminds me, Scotland are in the World Cup Finals this year.
― 2018 has to be better (snoball), Saturday, 2 June 2018 20:15 (five years ago) link
Hey, no Normans, no Robert the Bruce.
― Poisoned by Johan's pea soup. (Tom D.), Saturday, 2 June 2018 20:15 (five years ago) link
It was George III who dropped the claim to the throne of France, ten years after it had become a republic lol
― Karius whisper (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 2 June 2018 20:17 (five years ago) link
Well the gig was rather less attractive at that pt I suppose
― valorous wokelord (silby), Saturday, 2 June 2018 20:18 (five years ago) link
just one bunch of shitheads after another
would that tim pat coogan had left it at that tbh
― laurel or hardyhearin (darraghmac), Saturday, 2 June 2018 20:25 (five years ago) link
Reminds me I've still not gone to the castle ruins, which given they are at the top of my road and I've lived here 18 months is a bit lazy of me
― Colonel Poo, Saturday, 2 June 2018 20:29 (five years ago) link
one thing I've learnt since moving here is that the Battle of Hastings wasn't actually in Hastings but at a village a few miles north that has the imaginative name of Battle.
― Colonel Poo, Saturday, 2 June 2018 20:39 (five years ago) link
the only reason anybody cares about the norman conquest is that there haven't been any since. and that tapestry is shit.
― Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Saturday, 2 June 2018 21:17 (five years ago) link
nah the tapestry rules. I visited it last fall. the bit where William (i think) shoots a guy in the face with an arrow, that’s class.
― droit au butt (Euler), Saturday, 2 June 2018 21:26 (five years ago) link
I like the story of William's all alcohol diet plan after the teasing of Philip I of France, who enquired if he was pregnant. But he was onto something cos apparently Red Wine blocks the development of fat cells, or at least I like to tell myself that.
― calzino, Saturday, 2 June 2018 21:30 (five years ago) link
although I don't it was ever confirmed if he was pissed when he fell off his horse and died.
― calzino, Saturday, 2 June 2018 21:31 (five years ago) link
"the only reason anybody cares about the norman conquest is that there haven't been any since."
whoah! Don't forget the Norman Conquest in S Italy!
― calzino, Saturday, 2 June 2018 21:34 (five years ago) link
― calzino
i'd be pissed if i fell off my horse and died
― Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Saturday, 2 June 2018 21:35 (five years ago) link
swoosh
― valorous wokelord (silby), Saturday, 2 June 2018 21:35 (five years ago) link
Drinks, shoots (a guy in the face with an arrow) and leaves (on a horse that he then falls off of and dies).
― 2018 has to be better (snoball), Saturday, 2 June 2018 21:37 (five years ago) link
Chemistry teacher at my secondary school was called Norman Conquest.
― michaellambert, Saturday, 2 June 2018 21:43 (five years ago) link
periodic reminder to ILX to read The Wake by Paul Kingsnorth
― imago, Saturday, 2 June 2018 22:32 (five years ago) link
that book is .. problematic
― the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Saturday, 2 June 2018 22:34 (five years ago) link
Last Kingdom on ver netflix is a good look at what was going on pre-1066 (hint: it wasn't pretty)
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 2 June 2018 22:47 (five years ago) link
http://www.emersonkent.com/images/england_shires_10th.jpgsome pretty small clubs in the Premiership back then.
― calzino, Saturday, 2 June 2018 22:58 (five years ago) link
― the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Saturday, 2 June 2018 22:34 (twenty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
despite sympathetic efforts to understand its narrator it p clearly turns on him. the problem is encoded into england
― imago, Saturday, 2 June 2018 23:02 (five years ago) link
I loved it!
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51V5EPHM9CL.jpg
― nickn, Saturday, 2 June 2018 23:22 (five years ago) link
if we're doing this joke his work on the cosa brava record is pretty good
― Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Saturday, 2 June 2018 23:30 (five years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VM4TiaDnnYMthere is a decent Bartlett series on The Normans, not on i-player at the moment but all there on youtube.
― calzino, Sunday, 3 June 2018 10:13 (five years ago) link
― imago, Saturday, June 2, 2018 11:02 PM (three days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lol not really what i was referring to, i meant the kinda fake nature of all the linguistic stuff meant to underpin it. fun read tho!
― the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Tuesday, 5 June 2018 21:08 (five years ago) link
oh the shadow tongue? that is badass imo
― imago, Tuesday, 5 June 2018 22:26 (five years ago) link
whenever ppl talk abt the actions of like 100 years ago not being relevant now I think of https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/8424904/People-with-Norman-names-wealthier-than-other-Britons.html
― ogmor, Wednesday, 6 June 2018 09:34 (five years ago) link
fuck me, the occult Norman deep state seems have quietly spanned the centuries without causing many ripples.
― calzino, Wednesday, 6 June 2018 11:47 (five years ago) link
land ownership is the real conspiracy
― ogmor, Wednesday, 6 June 2018 11:49 (five years ago) link
it is quite blindingly obvious, but also sort of invisible and sometimes people look at you funny if you start ranting about the landed gentry.
― calzino, Wednesday, 6 June 2018 11:52 (five years ago) link
Yep. I wrote a lyric with the line "a thousand years of tenancy" many years back, it's the not-so-secret history of the islands
― Karius whisper (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 11:52 (five years ago) link
by other metrics like looking at the surnames of ppl who go eton there is more social mobility than you might think, but without land reform, you get what we've got. worst in scotland iirc
― ogmor, Wednesday, 6 June 2018 12:02 (five years ago) link
Obviously events like the industrial revolution shook things up to some extent but
― Karius whisper (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 12:25 (five years ago) link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Conquest_(footballer)
― StanM, Wednesday, 6 June 2018 12:34 (five years ago) link
that name reminds me of the Nairn Across Britain cameraman Bob Sleigh. Parents with humour tumours, saddling their children with comical names are obviously oblivious to the importance of one's name.
― calzino, Wednesday, 6 June 2018 12:49 (five years ago) link
Classique, sans contredit.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 6 June 2018 15:10 (five years ago) link
normanative determinism
― laurel or hardyhearin (darraghmac), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 17:34 (five years ago) link
Bingo
― Karius whisper (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 19:13 (five years ago) link
normannative if I may stand upon the shoulder of deems
― imago, Wednesday, 6 June 2018 19:14 (five years ago) link
it's impossible for the history of capitalism which is a perfectly rational distribution of ah fuck it
― Karius whisper (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 19:32 (five years ago) link
Uncle Joe + Mao sometimes did liquidate the right people!
― calzino, Wednesday, 6 June 2018 19:40 (five years ago) link
xps you get the considered and curated version lj, when kubrick leaves out a detail its because it was the wrong detail buck
― laurel or hardyhearin (darraghmac), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 20:58 (five years ago) link