No thread to place this Vice Look Back
The slobs vs. snobs dynamic seems dated, especially with one particularly nasty slob now running the country and doing a pretty bad job of it. (It makes you nostalgic for the previous generation of country club asshole, who were at least better read.) The anti-authoritarian edge Animal House once had has been dulled with time, and its jokes have become moldy and occasionally toxic, which even the people who made it will admit: "You cringe at it in a way, but it’s an interesting kind of cringe," Karen Allen told the New York Times earlier this year in an oral history of the film.
― Making Plans For Sturgill (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 28 July 2018 21:40 (five years ago) link
This movie sucks.
― devops mom (silby), Saturday, 28 July 2018 21:54 (five years ago) link
Which I guess what the article is saying, in more words.
― devops mom (silby), Saturday, 28 July 2018 22:00 (five years ago) link
I've said it a few times, but we're living in a snobs vs. slobs comedy. The contemporary ironic twist is that the government is being run by the slobs and we're the snobs.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 29 July 2018 00:32 (five years ago) link
I don't find it especially "dated," as I didn't much like it in '78.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 29 July 2018 00:35 (five years ago) link
a lot of the attitudes and set-ups aged badly and should have been seen as bad in its time. which it cheated on, because “its time” is really the late 70s and the movie is set at the beginning of the 60s in order to play things off as farce. kind of a coward’s move and a double-edged sword: you get a public consensus that some things are unquestionably wrong, but you get the 1978 version of what they thought was OK and it’s jarring because we get three frames of reference: today, 1978, and the faux 1962
the idea that it’s slobs versus snobs doesn’t really ring true unless you take Belushi’s character as the ideal. if anything it’s a pure social class thing, with the protagonists being anti-establishment. presumably they want to have a fraternity because kids weren’t allowed to live off-campus without living in a Greek house at that point, so they’re an organization out of necessity. the sexual politics are horribly done but the implication (outside of the horrible homophobic crap) is that the women hooking up with the Deltas are at least enjoying it
a bunch of the bits hold up among the mess, like Donald Sutherland’s English teacher who claims to be a writer and openly admits to doing nothing with it, along with the scene where they’re stoned in his house and the bad philosophizing. smashing the guitar of the guy trying to woo women with his sensitive musical ways. the Omegas being racist pricks who put all the undesirables at their pledge party in a corner (just don’t examine the racial politics there even if the characters are supposed to be sympathetic, oof).
if we throw out this movie we maybe skip all the horrible biases and nastiness of 80s teen comedies and the slew of horrible college comedies that managed to throw in all the misogyny and racism without even attempting a halfassed ironic chronological disconnect. that Vice article somehow missed the 1962 cheat and associates Trump with the antiheroes of the film which is nuts — he’s a prep school teetotaler!
― mh, Sunday, 29 July 2018 00:38 (five years ago) link
like the 1978 view the film tries to posit is that the Deltas are ahead of their time and actually more egalitarian and ever so slightly more socially progressive than their peers, but it’s still written by misogynist cranks and it’s painfully obvious
― mh, Sunday, 29 July 2018 00:40 (five years ago) link
a lot of the attitudes and set-ups aged badly
nope
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 29 July 2018 00:35 (fifteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yup
independent of insistence on morality if the work then or now its utterly without merit
― dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Sunday, 29 July 2018 00:54 (five years ago) link
Fuck that pious idiot and anyone who agrees with his absurd article. Animal House is funny as shit.
― grawlix (unperson), Sunday, 29 July 2018 01:08 (five years ago) link
I never thought it was the funniest film in the world, but I suspect that whatever I liked when I last saw it 30 (?) years ago--Belushi's mugging, some of the music--I'd still enjoy.
― clemenza, Sunday, 29 July 2018 01:11 (five years ago) link
they managed to hit the most obvious criticisms while completely missing the point
― mh, Sunday, 29 July 2018 01:12 (five years ago) link
Yes, I remember Belushi being funny -- he's in it for about 20 minutes.
I'm sure some contemporary reviews, particularly by women, pointed out some of the problems.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 29 July 2018 01:13 (five years ago) link
And the advice on how not to go through life--I can't see that that's outdated.
― clemenza, Sunday, 29 July 2018 01:13 (five years ago) link
Just read the piece (pretty quickly) and thought it was fine.
...That doesn't mean the movie deserves to be banned or condemned, but it has lost the meaning it once had.
...It should go without saying that none of this is Animal House's fault.
...We could never wipe Animal House from the face of the earth even if we wanted to; its influence is too vast, and its best jokes are justifiable classics.
That's fair. The writer isn't trying to 1984 something out of existence--I hate that kind of thing. I don't know what prompted him to rewatch it, but he did, and he found some of it bothered him. I put up posts like that here all the time.
― clemenza, Sunday, 29 July 2018 01:29 (five years ago) link
oh, agreed
I just disagreed with the “they’re slobs, Trump is that kind of slob” assessment and the complete lack of reference to the 1962 framing device
― mh, Sunday, 29 July 2018 01:38 (five years ago) link
I’ve talked to a lot of younger people who, having seen Animal House, think that the time period in the film was concurrent with the time it was filmed!
― mh, Sunday, 29 July 2018 01:39 (five years ago) link
Was curious about this, so I tried to track down some contemporaneous reviews. Kael didn't officially review it, but she had a few words in one of her state-of-the-movies things that basically amounted to inept-but-fun. Kauffmann and Simon didn't review it--no surprise there, I guess. Sarris's review is archived online:
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=KEtq3P1Vf8oC&dat=19780731&printsec=frontpage&hl=en
"But the basic problem remains: Animal House is a disorganized collection of set-smashing exercises performed largely by nobodies whom it is difficult to tell apart from one scene to the next."
A lot of those "nobodies" became famous...But yeah, it's not like reviewers were proclaiming it a work of comic genius at the time.
― clemenza, Sunday, 29 July 2018 01:53 (five years ago) link
not that many of the nobodies became famous, really!
it’s a ratio that’s probably no worse than many of the high school/college ensemble flicks, but the number of people who appeared in AH and maybe one other comedy, or disappeared entirely, is pretty high
― mh, Sunday, 29 July 2018 02:04 (five years ago) link
I'd count Kevin Bacon as famous, but more for an internet fluke than anything he ever actually did. But you're right, that's it. Peter Riegert, Karen Allen, and Tom Hulce are semi-famous for one role or one movie. The most famous cast member was already famous.
― clemenza, Sunday, 29 July 2018 03:18 (five years ago) link
kevin bacon is famous by any metric
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Sunday, 29 July 2018 03:24 (five years ago) link
i have no idea what internet fluke might refer to in relation to the fame of very famous actor kevin bacon
― dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Sunday, 29 July 2018 03:26 (five years ago) link
otoh i only know who tom hulse is cos i remind myself of his name every six months to hate the cunt by name because of amadeus
nobody has ever heard of peter riegert his parents furrow their brows when his name comes up
few enough ppl would imo remember karen allens name if her roles were brought up
bizarrely wrong post rly
― dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Sunday, 29 July 2018 03:28 (five years ago) link
Loved this at the time, still like it a lot now, showed it to my 11-year-old (with some scenes skipped) and he liked it too. The idea that Donald Trump is the grown-up Belushi and not the grown-up Greg Marmalard is too ridiculous to even discuss.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Sunday, 29 July 2018 03:30 (five years ago) link
darraghmac: I think Peter Riegert is fairly well known for roles on Seinfeld and The Sopranos, Karen Allen for Raiders of the Lost Ark. Kevin Bacon's done a lot of well-known films, but surely he's most famous for the thing that grew out of him having done a lot of well-know films: https://oracleofbacon.org/
― clemenza, Sunday, 29 July 2018 04:16 (five years ago) link
I didn't find this movie funny when I first saw it at 12 or so, and I didn't find it funny again when I last checked it out some time in my 20s. I remember recognizing a few things as fairly repulsive during my last viewing--the angel/devil debate over whether to take advantage of a drunk girl, of course, but I've also always found Landis' propensity towards animal violence as a source of comedy especially sour (see also, Into the Night)--but on the whole, its more just "not my thing" than anything else. I've read reviews that praise it for its satire, but I don't really see that: I actually think National Lampoon's Vacation is considerably stickier, not to mention funnier.
― Police, Academy (cryptosicko), Sunday, 29 July 2018 04:38 (five years ago) link
I would like to smash the metaphorical guitar that is this thread
― the Joao looked at Jonny (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 29 July 2018 09:04 (five years ago) link
This movie has given the world at least 3 "hey, it's that guy!" actors who've gone on to work in every TV crime drama (and the occasional movie) you've ever seen: Tim Matheson, Bruce McGill and Peter Riegert have each been in about eight dozen movies. McGill in particular now plays judges, owners of crooked companies, etc., etc. on a regular basis.
― grawlix (unperson), Sunday, 29 July 2018 10:08 (five years ago) link
I don’t wanna live in a world which doesn’t appreciate Animal House
― Mule, Sunday, 29 July 2018 11:11 (five years ago) link
I think Peter Riegert is fairly well known for roles on Seinfeld and The Sopranos, Karen Allen for Raiders of the Lost Ark.
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/417AW0B10NL._SY445_.jpg
― Father Ted in Forkhandles (Tom D.), Sunday, 29 July 2018 11:20 (five years ago) link
An ex-girlfriend of mine was particularly fond of quoting the "Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life" line when describing her misspent adolescence.
― Father Ted in Forkhandles (Tom D.), Sunday, 29 July 2018 11:22 (five years ago) link
i find it fairly apposite now and i'm 50 this year
― the Joao looked at Jonny (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 29 July 2018 11:50 (five years ago) link
i am aiming to cut it down to one in three at any one time, while being realistic about it yknow
― dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Sunday, 29 July 2018 11:53 (five years ago) link
Forgot about Local Hero--I guess that's Riegert's most well-known movie role (unless it's AH itself). His Seinfeld appearance isn't as well known as, say, Philip Baker Hall's or Teri Hatcher's, but he does get off one of my favourite Seinfeld lines ever: "Or we could not do the show altogether, how about that?"
― clemenza, Sunday, 29 July 2018 12:22 (five years ago) link
John Landis is a primary culprit for destroying Hollywood comedy, along with Ivan Reitman, Nora Ephron, and Ap*t*w.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 29 July 2018 13:11 (five years ago) link
if only Bob Hope could've stayed young forever
― the Joao looked at Jonny (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 29 July 2018 13:21 (five years ago) link
And Woody Allen could've REDACTED
― Father Ted in Forkhandles (Tom D.), Sunday, 29 July 2018 13:32 (five years ago) link
they were very funny once, so i'm glad you figured that out
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 29 July 2018 14:15 (five years ago) link
John Warner is great playing Dean Womer. You also got Donald Sutherland in almost a walk on role (maybe another scene with him wasn't used).
― earlnash, Sunday, 29 July 2018 14:34 (five years ago) link
that's John VERNON. He was better in Point Blank.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 29 July 2018 14:58 (five years ago) link
Woody Allen is at the top of my "was never funny/sign of someone with shitty taste" list.
― grawlix (unperson), Sunday, 29 July 2018 15:19 (five years ago) link
"I'd count Kevin Bacon as famous, but more for an internet fluke than anything he ever actually did."Footloose made $80 million.
― Eliza D., Sunday, 29 July 2018 15:31 (five years ago) link
It’s true tho that he is most famous for the meme that stemmed from his widespread fame
― jeremy cmbyn (wins), Sunday, 29 July 2018 15:37 (five years ago) link
Kevin Bacon is famous ffs, the Internet has warped your minds
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 29 July 2018 15:45 (five years ago) link
Animal House did not make him a star, tho... in fact i probably did not know he was the piece of pledge chicken on all fours til the '90s.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 29 July 2018 15:45 (five years ago) link
He's actually had three films besides Animal House with 100-million+ in box office:
"Thank You God!": The Animal House Thread
I'll have to disagree, though. Minus the Six Degrees thing, I think he'd be like Ed Harris, a well-known character actor--Harris has had six 100-million+ films, and he's also had numerous Academy Award nominations, which Bacon hasn't. Is Harris famous? Not as famous as Bacon, I don't think, and I'd attribute that to Six Degrees. I think Wikipedia is a decent generalized measure of these things: "Bacon has become an icon for the concept of interconnectedness (as in social networks), having been popularized by the game 'Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon'." It gets a pretty sizable section on his page, and also a separate page of its own.
― clemenza, Sunday, 29 July 2018 15:48 (five years ago) link
Wrong link:
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/people/chart/?view=Actor&id=kevinbacon.htm
― clemenza, Sunday, 29 July 2018 15:49 (five years ago) link
We should poll this vs Revenge of the Nerds as dubious frat comedies of their respective eras.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 29 July 2018 15:50 (five years ago) link
judging Footloose strictly by it's box office and not decades of being a vhs/expanded basic cable/dvd staple/80s pop culture touchstone is incredibly disingenuous
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 29 July 2018 15:50 (five years ago) link
Ed Harris has no movie that's a pop culture artifact like Footloose
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 29 July 2018 15:54 (five years ago) link
How would you explain Lori Singer's relative obscurity then? I'm not trying to be disingenuous, I just have a different opinion. I assure you that Footloose is not any kind of a touchstone for me.
― clemenza, Sunday, 29 July 2018 15:54 (five years ago) link
Because I had about 30 seconds in Alan Zweig's record-collector documentary Vinyl, I actually have a Bacon number of 2 if you go through Don McKellar, 3 if you go through Harvey Pekar.
I think I'll take another look at Animal House within the next few days. Thinking about it a bit more, I don't think Bad News Bears fits that well with AH and all those other films.
― clemenza, Sunday, 29 July 2018 18:47 (five years ago) link
The director of Bad News Bears also directed the Golden Child and Fletch, and has the story credit on Cool Runnings... he's the real Kevin Bacon here.
― com rad erry red flag (f. hazel), Sunday, 29 July 2018 19:02 (five years ago) link
kevin is the reduced fat bacon
― dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Sunday, 29 July 2018 19:12 (five years ago) link
harsh to call him streaky tho
Thinking about it a bit more, I don't think Bad News Bears fits that well with AH and all those other films.
Agreed, and glad you pointed it out. The "curmudgeon has to take care of a bunch of unruly children" genre is not really part of the "snobs vs. slobs" cycle, though there are overlaps (Meatballs, most obviously).
― Police, Academy (cryptosicko), Sunday, 29 July 2018 19:43 (five years ago) link
yeah except the movie is about a team of slobs playing a team of snobs
― com rad erry red flag (f. hazel), Sunday, 29 July 2018 19:44 (five years ago) link
True. I was more just thinking that Animal House invented/popularized the "slobs vs. snobs" genre while The Bad News Bears was drawing upon a tradition of older comedians having to deal with children (I'm sure there is some W.C. Fields precedent here, but I can't think of the specific example).
― Police, Academy (cryptosicko), Sunday, 29 July 2018 19:46 (five years ago) link
Comedy at the expense of snobs has been popular forever. Animal House was a particular variant on a very old theme.
― A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 29 July 2018 19:49 (five years ago) link
I think in general, whether you think it gets there or not (I loved it the one time I belatedly watched it a few years ago), The Bad News Bears aims higher than the other films--specifically, how horribly adults can behave when it comes to kids' sports.
― clemenza, Sunday, 29 July 2018 20:06 (five years ago) link
karen allen was v. cuet
― mookieproof, Sunday, 29 July 2018 20:11 (five years ago) link
The director of Bad News Bears also directed the Golden Child and Fletch, and has the story credit on Cool Runnings...
That's Michael Ritchie of The Candidate, Smile, and Downhill Racer. Please take a course on New Hollywood, f. hazel.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 29 July 2018 20:17 (five years ago) link
Pretty sure I saw The Golden Child twice in theaters, for some reason. More recently I found it unwatchable, for good reason.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 29 July 2018 20:47 (five years ago) link
yes he had a rough start but eventually was able to realize his vision: not one but two Fletch movies
― com rad erry red flag (f. hazel), Sunday, 29 July 2018 21:20 (five years ago) link
The Bad News Bears, now yer talkin'.
― Father Ted in Forkhandles (Tom D.), Sunday, 29 July 2018 21:51 (five years ago) link
look i've been out all day, has somebody done a "is famous movie star Kevin Bacon famous?" poll yet?
i mean thanks to UK advertising i hate the cunt but please
― the Joao looked at Jonny (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 29 July 2018 23:17 (five years ago) link
Is bacon star famous movie
― Οὖτις, Monday, 30 July 2018 00:12 (five years ago) link
(xpost) I think the disagreement concerned why/when rather than whether. But we did move on.
― clemenza, Monday, 30 July 2018 00:22 (five years ago) link
I watched Fletch recently and it's kind of a fascinating artifact.the plot makes no fucking sensethe gritty beach scenes is such a cool worldit takes some serious conjones for an approaching middle age guy to wear a Lakers jersey with nothing underneath to the office
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 30 July 2018 00:26 (five years ago) link
Harold Faltermeyers score is brilliant
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 30 July 2018 00:27 (five years ago) link
XPS
https://media1.tenor.com/images/76595bd5d8fdcbc68afa6f8b138ddee4/tenor.gif?itemid=3409083
― Making Plans For Sturgill (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 30 July 2018 00:27 (five years ago) link
^^ the expression that put the humor in the mayhem
― mh, Monday, 30 July 2018 00:43 (five years ago) link
xxxpost
The thing that surprised me most about Fletch when I watched it was how well it plays as a straight-up mystery thriller. At the risk of sounding seriously trolly, I'll note that I prefer it to The Big Sleep (speaking of plots that make no sense).
Also, we polled the films of Michael Ritchie a while back.
― Police, Academy (cryptosicko), Monday, 30 July 2018 01:36 (five years ago) link
I've never seen the movie 'cause even as a kid I was like "Fuck Chevy Chase," but the book was a good California noir with some jokes.
― grawlix (unperson), Monday, 30 July 2018 01:54 (five years ago) link
I’ve never seen it for that reason, although it’s my dumb bias
I love when send-ups do a genre by the books so I’ve probably done myself a disservice
― mh, Monday, 30 July 2018 02:42 (five years ago) link
I've known two separate women who were enormous Bacon Brothers fans.
― how's life, Monday, 30 July 2018 10:29 (five years ago) link
u sure they werent saying "butty"?
― dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Monday, 30 July 2018 10:36 (five years ago) link
I really love "Fletch", a great saturday evening watch
― . (Michael B), Monday, 30 July 2018 10:56 (five years ago) link
I had no idea there was a TV spin-off of Animal House.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_House
When the most notable thing about your show is that Jim Steinman adapted his theme song into Meat Loaf's 'Dead Ringer For Love', you're onto a loser:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWR94gcQX1o
― Category: Animist Rock (Matt #2), Monday, 30 July 2018 11:53 (five years ago) link
i remember that
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 30 July 2018 12:40 (five years ago) link
i liked this movie for a few weeks during high school. feel like it was really sold as "this is an important comedy movie" something that professional comedians, Lampoon types or Simpsons writers all held in high esteem but was kind of from an older generation for me to really relate to.
Belushi was def funny but imo the Simpsons/Futurama parodies are as good or better than the movie. ROBOT HOUUUUSE!
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 30 July 2018 14:40 (five years ago) link
So weird how networks thought they could develop a prime-time series based on an R-rated comedy (see also: "Black Bart," based on Blazing Saddles, starring Lou Gossett, Jr. and Steve Landesberg).
xp
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 30 July 2018 14:55 (five years ago) link
They even thought they could turn Jim Bouton's Ball Four into a series. They're very optimistic that way.
― clemenza, Monday, 30 July 2018 14:57 (five years ago) link
So weird how networks thought they could develop a prime-time series based on an R-rated comedy
because... M*A*S*H?
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 30 July 2018 15:01 (five years ago) link
oh, haha, right
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 30 July 2018 15:08 (five years ago) link
Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore worked out OK...
― ... (Eazy), Monday, 30 July 2018 15:17 (five years ago) link
what was that Fox show that was basically a rip-off of Ferris Bueller?
― mh, Monday, 30 July 2018 15:27 (five years ago) link
it was a PG, tho (and pretty different in tone nonetheless) xp
Parker Lewis Can't Lose
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 30 July 2018 15:29 (five years ago) link
there was also a Ferris sitcom (featuring Jennifer Aniston!)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferris_Bueller_(TV_series)
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 30 July 2018 15:31 (five years ago) link
Also "Fame" ?
― Mark G, Monday, 30 July 2018 15:38 (five years ago) link
I have really fond memories of this show but am sorta scared to re-watch. it was pretty po-mo iirc
― Οὖτις, Monday, 30 July 2018 15:41 (five years ago) link
Fame was a solid 5-year hit on TV, but MASH became a juggernaut.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 30 July 2018 15:43 (five years ago) link
I have really fond memories of this show but am sorta scared to re-watch
Me too. I remember it being much funnier, and much weirder, than the Ferris Bueller movie (and, obviously, the Ferris Bueller TV show).
― grawlix (unperson), Monday, 30 July 2018 15:48 (five years ago) link
xpost also Hogan's Heroes
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 30 July 2018 16:32 (five years ago) link
the 70s was a fucked up time. once i caught an episode of The Love Boat on tv and pure exploitation just two women in nighties w bits blurred out for modern broadcast.
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 30 July 2018 16:34 (five years ago) link
well that was a loose (dumb) variation on Stalag 17. You might as well call the original Battlestar Galactica a Star Wars series.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 30 July 2018 16:35 (five years ago) link
The Love Boat was based on the last scene of Some Like It Hot, iirc.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 30 July 2018 16:42 (five years ago) link
Well, nobody's perfect.
― Mark G, Monday, 30 July 2018 16:46 (five years ago) link
That or "Ship of Fools".
― Father Ted in Forkhandles (Tom D.), Monday, 30 July 2018 16:48 (five years ago) link
have we lol'd about VICE of all places publishing this nonsense yet
― Οὖτις, Monday, 30 July 2018 17:11 (five years ago) link
Eh, the absurdity of their "We're moral voices now - stop laughing!" schtick is just taken for granted at this point.
― grawlix (unperson), Monday, 30 July 2018 17:13 (five years ago) link