US Politics, September 2018: having a nervous breakdown

We had our disagreements and they were very strong disagreements.

where's the tax returns?

The dad from TV's Webster has some big news to help you start your morning off right: Convicted former Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos has publicly contradicted Attorney General Jeff Sessions' sworn testimony to Congress, saying both Sessions and Donald Trump apparently supported his proposal that Trump meet with Vladimir Putin during the 2016 campaign, according to a court filing late Friday night.

hey, good mourning!

Yeah this new news is something — I’m waiting for the hilarity of Trump firing Sessions for lying to Congress.

Webster's dad really is somethin

In the long run getting rid of Sessions would presumably be positive as long as the Russia Investigation was protected surely?
That is the big negative isn't it? Just wondering if there is anything else that wouldn't be improved by getting a new AG, as long as he wasn't a trump stooge.
Which I guss would mean Sessions is probably going to be replaced whoever the winning side come Novemeber is. He's just going to be possibly replaced by somebody who has some idea of justice for the American people if the Democrats win.

Trump most likely couldnt get a nominee through the Senate, and it isnt clear he has the legal authority to just appoint an interim replacement.

Fwiw

Assuming Sessions is fired rather than resigns

You don’t think this current senate would approve a stooge?

They've been doing it for more than 200 years.

the fuck are ye sending him here for?

now I have to listen to this shit for three months ffs

You guys made it! You’re on the show

if this is payback for tamany hall im sick repeating myself that was irish-americans

measured optimism from Robin

The growing weakness and isolation of Trump and his presidency is symptomatic of the larger vulnerability and fragility of the Republican regime. https://t.co/Jh4ydPZywD pic.twitter.com/8mAPSv2yXZ

— corey robin (@CoreyRobin) September 1, 2018

the fuck are ye sending him here for?

now I have to listen to this shit for three months ffs

Just be glad he hasn't dredged up some Scotsman from Ulster as an ancestor allowing him to parade about claiming to be Irish - like US Presidents usually do.

... though it's not only Presidents who do that, of course.

I keep seeing events listed at his irish properties, presumably the golf courses. So have wondered if there is ongoing protest at those already. Just spent the last year coimpiling an events list which meant I had to go through lists of events on facebook and copy them to a list on a radio station website. So would frequently come across these things.
I think most of them were pretty distant to me, or at least not exactly convenient , so I haven't investigated further. but would think that disgust at his behaviour since the beginning of his incumbency and before, might mean people were heavily anti him.

So presumably can't be the only person seeing event notices for things related to him.

wait, he was the dad from "webster"? why did i think he was the dad from "mr. belvedere"? am i racist against greeks?

ireland, please foreclose on all trump properties pronto; they are faulkner's snopes trying to emigrate. the hamlet (1940) is a prophecy. don't let it happen there too!

Bob Uecker was the dad from Mr Belvedore. Come on rushomancy keep up.

everyone is racist against us hellenics

xpost

Is Paul Ryan going to face any consequences from his PAC sharing details from CIA enrolment forms?

No

I mean if we’ve learned anything in this decade it’s that neither end of the political spectrum gives two shits about what happens to people who have security clearances with the gubmint

No RuleZ

During the Cold War, Washington feared that Moscow was seeking to turn microwave radiation into covert weapons of mind control.

More recently, the American military itself sought to develop microwave arms that could invisibly beam painfully loud booms and even spoken words into people’s heads. The aims were to disable attackers and wage psychological warfare.

Now, doctors and scientists say such unconventional weapons may have caused the baffling symptoms and ailments that, starting in late 2016, hit more than three dozen American diplomats and family members in Cuba and China. The Cuban incidents resulted in a diplomatic rupture between Havana and Washington.

The medical team that examined 21 affected diplomats from Cuba made no mention of microwaves in its detailed report published in JAMA in March. But Douglas H. Smith, the study’s lead author and director of the Center for Brain Injury and Repair at the University of Pennsylvania, said in a recent interview that microwaves were now considered a main suspect and that the team was increasingly sure the diplomats had suffered brain injury.

this month's thread title got a little too real already

these nice new tin foil hats will keep us safe and also lets QAnon know that we are already on their side, no need to infiltrate us.

https://i.imgur.com/vjcWROb.jpg

“From an objective point of view it’s more like mass hysteria than anything else,” said Mark Hallett, the head of the human motor control section of the US National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke.

i don't appreciate that kind of response, especially when i have to google the source. that's a quote from last october (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/12/cuba-mass-hysteria-sonic-attacks-neurologists)

a few paragraphs before that, the article cautions "The neurologists who talked to the Guardian cautioned that no proper diagnosis is possible without far more information and access to the 22 US victims, who have suffered a range of symptoms including hearing loss, tinnitus, headaches and dizziness."

in the 11 months since that article was published, the neurologists have had far more information and access to the victims. for those without a NYT subscription, here's more from near the end.

The medical team that studied the Cuba diplomats ascribed the symptoms in the March JAMA study to “an unknown energy source” that was highly directional. Some personnel, it noted, had covered their ears and heads but experienced no sound reduction. The team said the diplomats appeared to have developed signs of concussion without having received any blows to the head.

In May, reports emerged that American diplomats in China had suffered similar traumas. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo called the medical details of the two groups "very similar” and “entirely consistent" with one another. By late June, the State Department had evacuated at least 11 Americans from China.

To date, the most detailed medical case for microwave strikes has been made by Beatrice A. Golomb, a medical doctor and professor of medicine at the University of California, San Diego. In a forthcoming paper to be published in October in Neural Computation, a peer-reviewed journal of the MIT Press, she lays out potential medical evidence for Cuban microwave strikes.

She compared the symptoms of the diplomats in Cuba to those reported for individuals said to be suffering from radio-frequency sickness. The health responses of the two groups, Dr. Golomb wrote, “conform closely.”

In closing, she argued that “numerous highly specific features” of the diplomatic incidents “fit the hypothesis” of a microwave attack, including the Frey-type production of disturbing sounds.

Scientists still disagree over what hit the diplomats. Last month, JAMA ran four letters critical of the March study, some faulting the report for ruling out mass hysteria.

Deserves its own thread imo

Especially since it’s a topic that’ll outlast the administration

Is Paul Ryan going to face any consequences from his PAC sharing details from CIA enrolment forms?

― Stevolende, Sunday, September 2, 2018 1:00 AM (one hour ago)

you keep asking if people are going to face consequences or norms are going to revert. the fact that you get to keep asking might be the answer in itself.

I keep hearing things taht sound like mishandling and wondering if that is going to counter a swing back to sanity come the mid terms.

― Stevolende, Monday, January 29, 2018 11:47 PM (seven months ago)

People are still debating whether an incumbent President can be prosecuted.

How does one get rid of McConnell?

― Stevolende, Friday, April 13, 2018 3:02 AM (four months ago)

How is Haley going to be able to run in a position of power with somebody who denigrates women to the extent that Pence does?

― Stevolende, Wednesday, April 18, 2018 4:48 AM (four months ago)

xp just wondering what trump's idea of an end result of an investigation into the existence of a pee tape would be. If he knows that he did nothing then what is he asking to be looked into.

Would think that by that age and with his lifetime experience you would learn to let the rumour ride itself out rather than feeding into it.
Just puzzles me as to what he thought further action would have shown.

Does he know what he's doing half the time?

― Stevolende, Monday, April 23, 2018 10:47 PM (four months ago)

Would have thought the wise action would have been to drop the thing once it became exposed the first time. Heard it was one reason Kushner had his clearance removed.
Hope it is going to be something that explodes in this government's face.

― Stevolende, Tuesday, May 22, 2018 5:35 AM (three months ago)

If America doesn't impeach trump isn't that pretty much going to act as condoning his behaviour and setting a beacon for accepted behaviour which should not be acceptable by any prior norms.
Would think the States would want to repair their Government set up and can only see non-impeachment as setting things so the swamp festers and consumes everything around it.

― Stevolende, Friday, May 25, 2018 7:47 PM (three months ago)

Can you undo a pardon? If delivered for corrupt reasons or anything?

― Stevolende, Friday, June 1, 2018 12:42 AM (three months ago)

can this, or any of this, be corrected still?

― Stevolende, Saturday, June 2, 2018 10:20 AM (three months ago)

Is the idea to tar everything so that supposedly there is no such thing as an objective witness. Try to make sure taht anybody who can be thought to have seen anything is enmired in a way that they would incriminate themselves,?

― Stevolende, Wednesday, June 6, 2018 5:07 AM (two months ago)

This is crazy, people normally keep the working so that they have something to look at in future. Just in case things go wrong , like.
Is this supposed to be a lasting anything or is it just a way for him to get new sites for a hotel business he shouldn't be involved in while performing a serious role?

― Stevolende, Tuesday, June 12, 2018 10:04 PM (two months ago)

'the' thought process
synecdoche?

yeah seems like the singuuar being viewed as the general by the single minded person supposedly possessing the definite article.

but surely, No thought no process? or no process to the though anyway.

― Stevolende, Friday, June 15, 2018 2:35 AM (two months ago)

Isn't no punishment of the most corrupt incumbency ever likely to lead to repetition though?
JUst hoping that there is some honesty in the near future and it's more than simply a brak in the new normal.

― Stevolende, Friday, June 15, 2018 4:03 AM (two months ago)

If this is just about to blow up in Sessions face because he's the most vocal supporter and instigator of it , will he take anything else with him when he goes.

― Stevolende, Monday, June 18, 2018 4:03 AM (two months ago)

If Sessions is the main person who is actively advocating this and not trying to say that it has to be obeyed because it is the law, is he likely to be crucified for it. & if he does is everything remotely positive that is happening because he has not been removed from the position as AG already safeguarded?

― Stevolende, Tuesday, June 19, 2018 12:21 AM (two months ago)

ICE's core original element don't appreciate the job the goon squad elements are being made to do/doing all too willingly. Do they?

― Stevolende, Tuesday, July 3, 2018 10:46 PM (one month ago)

I thought Pruitt was partially getting away with things because of teh rapport between him and the President. Subsequently it's unlikely that any replacement for him would get away with a fraction of the same shite isn't it?

― Stevolende, Friday, July 6, 2018 5:48 AM (one month ago)

At least one of them got locked up.
Shame it wasn't Flynn really. MIght have been a little more fitting after his cheerleading.
Do hope Manafort is going to remain in there for a good long while. He's not going to flip now or anything is he?

― Stevolende, Saturday, July 7, 2018 7:24 AM (one month ago)

What happens if massive criminality is discovered. Would he still need to be impeached before anything further could be done?
There's no way to void a Presidency is there. & an impeachment would still rely on Republicans actually wanting to lift a finger to harm him. Or would it be automatic?

― Stevolende, Tuesday, July 17, 2018 3:57 AM (one month ago)

Any hope of getting rid of Mitch McConnell any time soon?

― Stevolende, Friday, July 27, 2018 8:52 AM (one month ago)

honestly that's pretty cool, keep doing what you're doing stevolende because it's a good thing

of our beloved foreign friends with a strong interest in usatian politics, I actually prefer stevolende's perpetually raised eyebrows to frederik's passionate arrogance, in the grand scheme

passionate arrogance is the american way

Only true American on this forum, IMO

Not really sure what that was supposed to show, things turn up I would hope had some hope of being sorted before everything goes down the shitter. Compiling some of what I've asked over a period of time in one place is supposed to make me think exactly what about you? Certai9nly doesn't make me feel overly positive about you? I haven't pedestalised you to a point where I'd give much of a fuck what score you were keeping. haven't pedestalised you at all, what would make you think I had. & if not where in fuck do you get off doing something like that.

Glad that some people appreciate me.

someone did that to me once, posting all the times i “loled” & it made me feel like shit

please don’t do that to ppl. it’s mean.

The US political system is complex and unlike any other in the world, and the present situation in US politics is rather abnormal. Most Americans don't understand our politics very well, so it is normal for a non-American taking an interest in it to have questions. Keep asking.

Since several McCain funeral speakers took dead aim at Trump, I figure it's just a matter of minutes before he cuts loose on the twitter.

Bush delivered pointed anti-Trump remarks. That's where we are in 2018.

Great opportunity for W to keep rehabilitating that image of his

I would never get exasperated with anyone for asking whether awful people are ever going to face any consequences for the awful things they do. I reserve my exasperation for the other awful people who enable the first group to skate through their consequence-free lives.

Re: O'Trump's forthcoming jaunt to Ireland. I reckon he'll be the first US President since FDR to either not claim any Irish ancestry or to not have it claimed on his behalf.

He continues to break all the (green, white and) golden rules of American politics.

Top o' the mourning to you?

I bet he says some really dumb things about the Irish and Ireland, intended to be flattery, but instead revealing his abysmal understanding of both Ireland and what constitutes a compliment.

It's on the cards.

(xp) LOLz

I'm betting he hasn't even read the ILX thread on whether Ireland should be referred to as part of the British Isles. :-0

Second straight sub 40% approval rating in a row just came out, this one from IBD/TIPP.

More likely they'll use it as an excuse to vote yes I assume

At least in Jeff fuck's case

even if Ford isn't interviewed? idk

Yes. The fact that they didn't immediately say "nope" means they're looking for cover to vote aye, not for a serious investigation of the facts.

Yep - if the investigation sucks, they’ll use it as a cover for a yes vote. That is awful, but that’s what they’ll do. Most people won’t look into the details of the scope of the investigation, and an active disinformation campaign from the White House and allies will take care of many of those that do.

That disinformation campaign is already happening

There’s a reason these people are in charge of a scumbag political party

seemed like if the investigation turned up nothing, that'd be cover for a yes vote. no investigation or a lousy one would be cover for a no. right? I mean, not interviewing Ford is glaring.

A shitty, limited investigation (like not interviewing ford) is a way to turn up nothing

as the flake turns...

Looking at things optimistically and hearing that Ford might be the last person who gets interviewed since there are already a number of statements from her including the televised thing.
& that maybe things might step up after the weekend .
But not holding my breath. Just crossing my fingers.

That FBI may be going ahead and doing things and just not getting back to the Ford lawyer.
& hoping that thsi extra week might allow other things to be turned up on other fronts.
Representatives to be contacted about how people might be voting if things go ahead with a Yes vote.
I take it that the Senate Floor vote is a different vote so people might get a chance to rethink the way they were voting previously.

Man is Tom Cotton a piece o shit

To continue that thought: ... A lousy investigation that turns up nothing is easily countered by Republicans with “it was a good investigation. Uh uh. It was good. Nope, you’re wrong, it was a good investigation”, followed by a yes vote.

Remember that this whole weeklong delay/investigation thing was prompted not by how clearly guilty Kavanaugh seemed, or what a dickhead he is, but instead just by a lone GOP senator getting cornered in an elevator by someone who was yelling the truth. They don’t care about how good the investigation is, they just care about what their voters think. And their voters are swayed by dumbasses on tv saying “it was a good investigation, pay no attention to the liberal media”

Hence the incentive to sabotage the investigation wherever possible - they’ll get called out on it, but it won’t make a difference if the fbi doesn’t turn up anything damning on Kavanaugh.

Obviously as far as all the GOP senators are concerned, but not Flake. I mean we'll see, he's the one showboating.

this is good news for the environment, california's economy and, because the measure was hoped to boost GOP turnout, good news for democrats in congress (RIP mimi walters, etc.)

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-california-gas-tax-repeal-campaign-cash-20180930-story.html

I quit ilx

― Trϵϵship, Monday, October 1, 2018 4:25 AM (two hours ago)

RIP

Maybe you think it’s innacurate or I am a loser because it seems unfeasible to me to do it personally but I am not “dehumanizing” “underprivileged families” by expressing this. The hyperbole in american discourse these days is incredible.

― Trϵϵship, Monday, October 1, 2018 4:29 AM (two hours ago)

wb

Whatever

― Trϵϵship, Monday, October 1, 2018 4:38 AM (two hours ago)

Xp vhs

― Trϵϵship, Monday, October 1, 2018 4:38 AM (two hours ago)

I was just saying there are logistical obstacles and emotionally it’s a more challenging prospect than unperson’s posts suggested. Seems absurd that would be considered dehumanizing. It’s not like I don’t know people who have immigrated to america. I do! It was hard!

― Trϵϵship, Monday, October 1, 2018 4:41 AM (two hours ago)

I also never said they were superheroes

― Trϵϵship, Monday, October 1, 2018 4:41 AM (two hours ago)

Complete mischaracterization

― Trϵϵship, Monday, October 1, 2018 4:44 AM (two hours ago)

You’re not a referee

― Trϵϵship, Monday, October 1, 2018 4:48 AM (two hours ago)

This obviously makes it seem like it is just an option that’s open to most people. I was saying it’s not.

― Trϵϵship, Monday, October 1, 2018 4:52 AM (two hours ago)

Maybe “most” is arguable. I was saying there were many people for whom this isn’t a realistic option. And few, I woud say, who would then be able to leave america behind like a “bad dream.”

― Trϵϵship, Monday, October 1, 2018 4:53 AM (two hours ago)

I was obviously not talking about refugees and neither was unperson.

― Trϵϵship, Monday, October 1, 2018 4:56 AM (one hour ago)

Of course. And they face discrimination and their home countries are not left behind as a “bad dream” to them.

― Trϵϵship, Monday, October 1, 2018 5:06 AM (one hour ago)

No one said that. They said people should do what is best for them but that advice is not generalizable to all americans.

― Trϵϵship, Monday, October 1, 2018 5:19 AM (one hour ago)

I am honestly interested in learning more about the working class Americans who head out to uncertain opportunities in France, though. I didn’t know there were many people like that.

― Trϵϵship, Monday, October 1, 2018 5:21 AM (one hour ago)

good mourning

whos fuckin w my treesh

sic, i’m flattered but that content wasn’t interesting ebough to get reposted

good thing you weren't signing a legally binding xontract when you said you quit ilx, treesh. sic would sue you for breach.

good thing this isn't a courtroom too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYVlMrNBGeM

I feel like I shouldn't be allowed to start any more monthly us politics threads

This has been one of the best of those threads though

I’m convinced these are all the same man and one found a time machine pic.twitter.com/zl1hMx93yz

— Emily Molli (@MomesMolli) September 30, 2018

The directions to FBI leaking out re: not talking to Swetnick, not asking about drinking; those are all but orders to the fourth estate to dive right in

Oh, you thought this week was long? Next week will be even longer.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/30/cotton-feinstein-ford-leaked-letter-854019

agree with Neanderthal, Tom cotton is such a dirtbag

Fascinating post about a gay former roommate of Kav's:

The social dynamic within the triple was nonexistent to the point that Winter felt uncomfortable. From the start, Winter and Kavanaugh barely acknowledged one another’s existence. He remembers no conversation between them. Kubovy, still in high school at the time, sometimes visited Winter’s dorm room. “It’s weird never saying hello to one of your two roommates,” he says, in retrospect. (Several years later, Dana How lived next door to Kavanaugh, and his recollection is similar. Kavanaugh and his roommates “didn’t talk to anybody,” How remembers. “They were completely antisocial. The door was closed. These guys were completely disconnected.”) In LDO1, Kavanaugh and Roche were also very nearly strangers, according to Roche’s statement; “Brett and I did not socialize beyond the first few days of freshman year.” (Roche moved out in December of that year.) Once in a while Winter and Roche would talk late at night, sitting on the floor in the double, “leaning with our backs against the beds,” Winter remembers. “For the last 35 years, if anybody had said, ‘Tell me about Jamie Roche,’ I would have said, ‘Jamie Roche is the most stand-up guy you would ever hope to meet.’ Jamie stood out as centered, mature — more of a gentleman than the frat boys. He had nice manners.”

Many of the residents of Lawrance Hall that year describe the social life on campus as extremely tribal and isolating, with the elites and legacies hanging with each other, dominating and creating ripples of inarticulate fear, while the outsiders — the nerds and the scholarship kids and the people of color — circled the outskirts seeking friendly alliances. The fraternity brothers at Delta Kappa Epsilon — to which Kavanaugh pledged — could be heard in the streets at night chanting. “There was always more than a strong whiff of sexual violence hanging over the Dekes all the time,” says Garman. Dana How recalls consciously deciding to stay away from one of Kavanaugh’s frat brothers — he can’t now remember the reason why.

Another person, who arrived at Yale from a working-class background, remembers encountering the upper levels of the social hierarchy for the first time and understanding them as “dangerous.” “I remember thinking, ‘Oh, you’ve got to be really careful around these people.’ I saw it through a class lens. I don’t want to be somebody’s little mouse. I don’t want to be somebody who gets eaten. Looking back, I perceived things as dangers rather than, ‘Oh, fuck. This is crazy.’ Back then, it was sort of a game where there had to be some way to play it where you weren’t a victim.”

That is very believable and it sucks and also sounds a lot like the frat scene where I went to undergrad. The frat scene is fucking terrible

sounds like the prep school i went to

I went to UVa. I only went to frat parties if there was a good band that was playing and I used their towels to wipe after pee'ing because they never had toilet paper.

I was part of several friend groups in undergrad. The main one consisted of guys, many of us involved in the school newspaper - we all hung together, drank in each others' rooms, went on trips. This friend group and the other friend groups had something significant in common at the time - we did not want to have anything to do with Greek life. It felt antithetical to us.

But on Friday and Saturday nights there would often come a moment, say around 10 or so, when we'd all look at each other and say "yeah, let's get out of here" and we'd gravitate to whatever fraternity party was happening on campus, and invariably it was like many, many tribes made the same decision at the same moment and so that was the social mingling peak of any given weekend, for an hour or so of additional drinking, before it was time to tap out and go to bed.

It's complicated. There were deeply awful fraternity guys at my college. There were dark whispers of some things that happened - beyond two or three specific cases I didn't know details.

There were frat guys - guys who, to my awareness, were largely just serious partiers - whom I became friendly with as college ended and in the years since.

(The parties I refer to above were never epic or fucked up. People drank, but there was a casualness about them. That said, I'm a tall black man and my perspective may differ from others'.)

there were a few fraternities at my college that seemed essentially evil and one that even had a confederate flag in their baseement. those bros used to wear vineyard vines but chew skoal -- a kind of yuppie redneck thing. they got kicked off campus for hazing and fighting.

i knew someone that was traumatized by hazing at a different fraternity. he dropped out of school, the whole thing.

I mean it's been a trope forever that you get raped at frat parties and both frats and sororities are full of vain/insecure people. Who thinks Laura Ashley or khakis and polos are aspirational or impressive? It's always been messed up that anyone bought into it.

they're really awful. the sororities were quite bad too -- the hazing was more insidious and psychological. like they made the pledges wear the same giant t-shirt for a week and they weren't allowed to wash it or shower.

i remember as a freshman people wanted to get into these parties, but they needed a good "ratio," so they let you in the door if you "brought girls" with you. definitely a predatory dynamic for a party. not just people hanging out -- you need to "bring girls." there is nothing wrong with wanting to meet an attractive stranger at a dance party but this felt way more objectifying than that.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/30/climate/epa-trump-mercury-rule.html

Trump Administration prepares a major weakening of mercury emission regulations (and there's a Kavanaugh connection)...

The Trump administration has completed a detailed legal proposal to dramatically weaken a major environmental regulation covering mercury, a toxic chemical emitted from coal-burning power plants, according to a person who has seen the document but is not authorized to speak publicly about it...The weakening of the mercury rule — which the E.P.A. considers the most expensive clean air regulation ever put forth in terms of annual cost to industry — would represent a major victory for the coal industry. Mercury is known to damage the nervous systems of children and fetuses...

The details of the rollback about to be proposed would also represent a victory for Mr. Wheeler’s former boss, Robert E. Murray, the chief executive of the Murray Energy Corporation, one of the nation’s largest coal companies. Mr. Murray, who was a major donor to President Trump’s inauguration fund, personally requested the rollback of the mercury rule soon after Mr. Trump took office, in a written “wish list” he handed to Energy Secretary Rick Perry...

The coal industry initially sued to roll back the mercury regulation, and in 2014 its case lost in the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit. However, Judge Kavanaugh wrote the dissenting opinion in that case, highlighting questions about the rule’s cost to industry.

Should the legal battle over the proposed regulatory rollback go before the Supreme Court, some observers expect that Judge Kavanaugh, if elevated to a seat on the high court, would side with the coal industry.

Kinda wish this wasn't a Ryan Lizza story because fuck that guy, but this is a read for sure:

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a23471864/devin-nunes-family-farm-iowa-california/

xp "i like coal, ok? i like coal. do you like coal, Senator?"

This is an abominably unethical action by a taxpayer-employed prosecutor. She was literally not allowed to question the alleged perpetrator. She is using her title as a weapon against a survivor. Appalling. https://t.co/HjJhs1r1sH

— Jesse Lee (@JesseCharlesLee) October 1, 2018

Yeah, read that earlier. Somehow doesn't pay any attention to lack of an investigation or one sidedness of the hearing.
Or trauma or any of a number of reasons why there may be discrepancies or problems with teh orders of things.

Or that the candidate himself was blatantly lying and avowedly partisan. Or the whole timescale of the hearings being totally askew anyway. Would love it if somebody could just reframe the timeframe and show where things stand in terms of normal protocol like being able to go through all the relevant documents in an existing paper trail. Things hould never have really needed to get to this point as it was.
BUt how obvious does it have to be that one party is trying to ram through a candidate taht at least half of teh population disdain.

Also I was just reading through what had been said about the scope of the FBI investigation and what it excluded
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/white-house-limits-scope-fbi-s-investigation-allegations-against-brett-n915061

I am still rose-tinted spectacly hoping that a thing called justice might out and things be allowed to be conducted by previously existing protocols. All I'm seeing is a corrupt party trying to ram home a totally unfit candidate for a job that he'll keep for decades thereby depriving a great deal of the population of the country from what it should be able to view as understood rights.

Hopefully this will further catalyse grassroots activity and activists in aiding trauma victims and assault survivors.Which will hopefully lead to further legislation helping attack survivors to live with less trauma. & actually see that develop to being the new norm.
Still hoping this is the last screams of a dying age as the extremely conservative are exposed and their fledgling cohorts are viewed as the idiots they are.

Oh yeah, It's Ctober sho olet's see what Madness and shenanigans they can come up with this month. bless 'em.

A quite long summary of where and how Kavanaugh lied in his testimony.

please god someone start a new thread, september 2018 has been an extraordinarily cursed month in us politics

I like NJR but my lord I wish he had an editor

US Politics October 2018: 'I like beer. Do you like beer?'

please no kav quotes for lol thread titles, guarantee it will be triggering for some

and that article is great, thanks alfred. agreed that it's too long but it's good to get all of that shit in one place.

new thread already started:
US Politics, October 2018: next week will be even longer