Foreign Films Nominated For The Best Picture Oscar

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A break from the yearly best picture polls. (I can only assume that Roma will join these eight films in the end. Whatever.)

Poll Results

OptionVotes
GRAND ILLUSION (France; 1938) 26
CRIES AND WHISPERS (Sweden; 1973) 10
Z (Algeria; 1979) 7
LIFE IS BEAUTIFUL (Italy; 1998) 3
CROUCHING TIGER, HIDDEN DRAGON (Taiwan; 2000) 3
THE EMIGRANTS (Sweden; 1972) 1
IL POSTINO (Italy; 1995) 0
AMOUR (Austria; 2012) 0


I Never Promised You A Hose Harden (Eric H.), Friday, 30 November 2018 15:00 (five years ago) link

In contrast, foreign directors have been nominated 30 times.

I Never Promised You A Hose Harden (Eric H.), Friday, 30 November 2018 15:02 (five years ago) link

Z (Algeria; 1979)

*1969. My pick, if only for the soundtrack and the molto furioso pacing.

maximum waste and minimum joy (oder doch?), Friday, 30 November 2018 15:13 (five years ago) link

Z over Grand Illusion.

Chris L, Friday, 30 November 2018 15:20 (five years ago) link

Renoir

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 30 November 2018 15:32 (five years ago) link

Cries and Whispers, because I love this poster:

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMWYwY2JkOTQtNTcyZS00ZDE3LWE0NDUtM2FkMzI5MmMyNGViXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyNzI1NzMxNzM@._V1_.jpg

In 1990, Terence Davies presented a great 'masterclass' on Cries and Whispers for C4 TV that I'd love to see again...wonder if it's on Youtube...

Ward Fowler, Friday, 30 November 2018 15:40 (five years ago) link

That poster actually shows a flashback within the film, with a totally different color palette from the main part

Josefa, Friday, 30 November 2018 16:12 (five years ago) link

In contrast, foreign directors have been nominated 30 times.

― I Never Promised You A Hose Harden (Eric H.), Friday, November 30, 2018 10:02 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

for foreign language films? or does something like inarritu for birdman or cuaron for gravity count?

galaxy brian (voodoo chili), Friday, 30 November 2018 16:13 (five years ago) link

No, for foreign films. (Actually 28, since I didn’t count Letter from Iwo Jima or Babel as foreign films in this poll.)

I Never Promised You A Hose Harden (Eric H.), Friday, 30 November 2018 16:14 (five years ago) link

It's about time one of these things won Best Picture, huh?

jmm, Friday, 30 November 2018 19:45 (five years ago) link

never seen Z, but I can't imagine anything is better than Grand Illusion

Οὖτις, Friday, 30 November 2018 19:47 (five years ago) link

Fingers crossed for The Guilty!

Frederik B, Friday, 30 November 2018 19:49 (five years ago) link

Cries and Whispers without a second thought, though I do love The Emigrants (and The New Land).

flappy bird, Friday, 30 November 2018 19:50 (five years ago) link

Although, is there a reason why The Artist doesn't qualify? It's a French production.

jmm, Friday, 30 November 2018 19:51 (five years ago) link

That poster actually shows a flashback within the film, with a totally different color palette from the main part

Yes! It's fun image searching Cries and Whispers - more red than anything this side of an Argento film, and perhaps his first really great colour film. Cries and Whispers def another horror-adjacent, haunted Bergman, which is why I love it so.

The best digital 'restoration' I've ever seen was the print of Grand Illusion that toured UK cinemas maybe three or four years ago. It made the film and the performers seem everso alive and 'present' - the beauty of their faces so fresh. It was uncanny, in its way.

Ward Fowler, Friday, 30 November 2018 19:55 (five years ago) link

bcz we wish it had never been made

xp

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 30 November 2018 19:59 (five years ago) link

I'm guessing the definition here is foreign LANGUAGE (so no Brit, Australian etc films either)

Ward Fowler, Friday, 30 November 2018 20:02 (five years ago) link

wait was The Artist in English?

flappy bird, Friday, 30 November 2018 20:03 (five years ago) link

it was in bullshit

Οὖτις, Friday, 30 November 2018 20:07 (five years ago) link

it was silent!

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 30 November 2018 20:19 (five years ago) link

(plus music stolen from Vertigo)

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 30 November 2018 20:19 (five years ago) link

Wasn't there one line spoken, and in English?

Frederik B, Friday, 30 November 2018 20:20 (five years ago) link

yes

Dan S, Friday, 30 November 2018 20:21 (five years ago) link

good poll idea

I like queer. You like queer, senator? (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 30 November 2018 20:22 (five years ago) link

It was a French production, though, right? And therefore strictly speaking a 'Foreign Film'? Though that would also mean a couple of British winners, I suppose...

Frederik B, Friday, 30 November 2018 20:22 (five years ago) link

Ah, okay, I never saw it. Wikipedia says French intertitles.

We don't have to talk about The Artist.

jmm, Friday, 30 November 2018 20:22 (five years ago) link

how can this be anything but Grand Illusion? The only crap entries are the two '90s Miramax entries.

My ranking:

Grand Illusion
The Emigrants
Z
Amour
Cries and Whispers
Crouching Tiger

I like queer. You like queer, senator? (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 30 November 2018 20:23 (five years ago) link

I hope the Criterion edition reminded watchers of how great The Emigrants and The New Land are.

I like queer. You like queer, senator? (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 30 November 2018 20:24 (five years ago) link

xp the screening of The Artist that I saw had English intertitles as far as I can remember

Dan S, Friday, 30 November 2018 20:33 (five years ago) link

gonna vote for crouching tiger cause it blew my mind when i was 11

galaxy brian (voodoo chili), Friday, 30 November 2018 20:36 (five years ago) link

i think i must have seen it 5 times or so in the theater on the block i lived on in college

even beat out seeing beavis & butthead do america there

j., Friday, 30 November 2018 20:38 (five years ago) link

I've only seen half of these, but Grand Illusion is an easy pick.

That Oscars ceremony was in Feb 1939, just a few weeks before the annexation of Czechoslovakia. I can imagine this film seeming very tragic just then.

jmm, Friday, 30 November 2018 20:40 (five years ago) link

Renoir over Bergman.

Z and The Emigrants are my big blindspots; the other two I haven't seen (and probably never will) are Il Postino or Amour.

Timothée Charalambides (cryptosicko), Friday, 30 November 2018 20:43 (five years ago) link

yes, it's easy enough to change intertitles by country

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 30 November 2018 20:43 (five years ago) link

Up until Hou's The Assassin, Crouching Tiger was def the best 'crossover' wuxia movie. It's a travesty The Assassin wasn't even submitted to the Academy for consideration.

Ward Fowler, Friday, 30 November 2018 20:45 (five years ago) link

Cries and Whispers strikes me as second tier Bergman -- would've preferred one of the early sixties films or Shame in its place -- but it classes up the company.

I like queer. You like queer, senator? (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 30 November 2018 20:47 (five years ago) link

many xps - I know it was silent but weren't the intertitles in English? w/e glad it's not in this poll, movie sucked

flappy bird, Friday, 30 November 2018 20:49 (five years ago) link

ah ok nvm

flappy bird, Friday, 30 November 2018 20:50 (five years ago) link

that first closeup of Harriet Andersson in Cries and Whispers is one of the most stunning things I've seen Bergman do - to say nothing of her death scene, my god.

still want to know what Joachim Trier meant when he said The Emigrants & The New Land "taught (him) something fundamental about America, as a European."

flappy bird, Friday, 30 November 2018 20:53 (five years ago) link

I haven't seen Grand Illusion - it played here recently but I was busy and couldn't make it.

flappy bird, Friday, 30 November 2018 20:54 (five years ago) link

i was going to watch it on filmstruck any day now :````(

j., Friday, 30 November 2018 20:56 (five years ago) link

one month passes...

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Thursday, 3 January 2019 00:01 (five years ago) link

Cries and Whispers, because Grand Illusion will take the (deserved) win.

love craptually (Eric H.), Thursday, 3 January 2019 00:12 (five years ago) link

Cries and Whispers

flappy bird, Thursday, 3 January 2019 00:26 (five years ago) link

I've only seen Cries and Whispers once and it was towards the end of a Bergman mini-binge when I first got into him. It's good, but I remember not quite understanding how it held the strong reputation among his filmography that it did; for whatever reasons, I found Persona, The Seventh Seal, Scenes from a Marriage, Fanny and Alexander, The Virgin Spring and even the relatively muted Wild Strawberries all far more striking. I definitely owe it a re-watch, but I still wonder what must have been going on in that particular year that got this film a shot at the big prize.

Timothée Charalambides (cryptosicko), Thursday, 3 January 2019 04:24 (five years ago) link

the first closeup of harriet andersson's face + her death scene = top tier

flappy bird, Thursday, 3 January 2019 04:27 (five years ago) link

the one I don't get the love for is Fanny and Alexander, one of his scariest & most disturbing films, wrapped in Christmas camo. misleading title too

flappy bird, Thursday, 3 January 2019 04:27 (five years ago) link

Have you seen the full Swedish TV version?

Timothée Charalambides (cryptosicko), Thursday, 3 January 2019 04:28 (five years ago) link

no, just the theatrical version. from what I've read the TV version has more magical realism but not much more Fanny. maybe I was just caught off guard - the bulk of the movie is a nightmare, a total and complete nightmare, in a way that is both more upsetting and more banal/less interesting than his other work (like The Virgin Spring, which I also think is top tier & bracing, just remarkable)

flappy bird, Thursday, 3 January 2019 04:31 (five years ago) link

Don't love it either; it should've been called Alexander.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 3 January 2019 04:32 (five years ago) link

I've never seen the theatrical, but I'm assuming that, in simply giving us more, the nightmarish aspects are balanced out by some of the more whimsical and nostalgic material. There's a scene where the father tells the kids a story involving a chair that may be my single favourite scene in any movie ever.

Timothée Charalambides (cryptosicko), Thursday, 3 January 2019 04:35 (five years ago) link

Really, the question should've been which is worse, between Life is Beautiful and ... well, actually no, that one is clearly the worst.

love craptually (Eric H.), Thursday, 3 January 2019 16:45 (five years ago) link

(Still embarrassing tho that Il Postino is on this list.)

love craptually (Eric H.), Thursday, 3 January 2019 16:46 (five years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Friday, 4 January 2019 00:01 (five years ago) link


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