Which one is punk and which one is new wave?
― Trϵϵship, Thursday, 17 January 2019 21:18 (five years ago) link
for me it might as well be terry + the idiots vs the vapors, not particularly arsed about either tbh.
― calzino, Thursday, 17 January 2019 22:38 (five years ago) link
Yeah i picked these guys because they were both right there at the forefront of post impressionism but today are kind of footnotes. Something in their work seems more... precious? fanciful?... than gauguin or van gogh and consequently less modern. However, both created some great paintings too.
― Trϵϵship, Thursday, 17 January 2019 22:41 (five years ago) link
I think they were both just mediocrities really, their work to me is bad impressionism as a stylistic device rather than an experimental form of looking and responding to light and nature - see also Renoir. But ignore me - this be juss my humble opinion.
― calzino, Thursday, 17 January 2019 22:54 (five years ago) link
bonnard for me. very good cats in his work
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 17 January 2019 23:02 (five years ago) link
Oh you’re an anti-renoir dude! So yeah, of course you’d hate these guys. I tend to like the early renoir but agree late renoir isnt great.
― Trϵϵship, Thursday, 17 January 2019 23:04 (five years ago) link
At least bonnard saw his work as being extremely different from jnpressionism fwiw. He painted from memory, not life.
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 00:01 (five years ago) link
"At the artist’s last retrospective, the critic David Sylvester told me that if I didn’t get Bonnard, I didn’t get painting."https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2019/jan/21/pierre-bonnard-the-colour-of-memory-review-tate-modern-london
My life drawing tutor is also crazy about him. He might not be as well known as Cezanne or Monet but he's not a footnote. However I just don't get it.
https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/53450a26fc05c357994e73c64b36d03f6f94bb2d/0_81_5243_3145/master/5243.jpg?width=620&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=b79780be7f1dc715ecf9af415a4ba948
Is she bathing in soup? What's going on with the far edge of the bath? Why is her leg as straight as a ramrod? All this and horrible patchy brushwork.
― large bananas pregnant (ledge), Wednesday, 13 February 2019 09:04 (five years ago) link
David Sylvester clearly doesn't know his arse from his elbow, lol if he thinks Bonnard (who is essentially an amateurist chocolate box picture maker) is one of the great talents of post-impressionism.
― calzino, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 09:19 (five years ago) link
calzino is RONG. Both are great but going with Vuillard ftw.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 09:29 (five years ago) link
I'll fite you + D Sylvester!
― calzino, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 09:30 (five years ago) link
Although Bonnard avoided public attention, his work sold well during his life. At the time of his death his reputation had already been eclipsed by subsequent avant-garde developments in the art world; reviewing a retrospective of Bonnard's work in Paris in 1947, Christian Zervos assessed the artist in terms of his relationship to Impressionism, and found him wanting. "In Bonnard's work," he wrote, "Impressionism becomes insipid and falls into decline."[16] In response Henri Matisse wrote "I maintain that Bonnard is a great artist for our time and, naturally, for posterity."[17]
― Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 09:31 (five years ago) link
very benevolent + generous of Matisse there, but utter bollox!
― calzino, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 09:34 (five years ago) link
There is definitely something repellent about many of Bonnard’s canvases but things start to make sense the more I look at them
― Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 09:35 (five years ago) link
The Nabis weren't impressionists per se so much as they were responding to broader symbolist trends in the arts – and Cézanne. There's a reason they focus so heavily on interior spaces, unlike their plein air predecessors. Relative dearth of light (or blindness as inner sight, much like deafness as inner hearing via Beethoven) in painting is fascinating to me.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 09:36 (five years ago) link
Bonnard’s paintings are about memory, not vision
― Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 09:39 (five years ago) link
Or memory as vision or vision as memory, Proust-style.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 09:44 (five years ago) link
I can understand retreating into your bolt-hole studio and making a style of risk-free picturesque art - that sort of looks like what was cutting edge decades earlier but doesn't involve looking anymore, especially in the context of the Great War and the gathering storms etc, but it's not for me.
― calzino, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 09:47 (five years ago) link
The subject matter may not directly foreshadow the Great War, but the breakdown of conventional figuration isn't too far off.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 09:51 (five years ago) link
An approximate aural analogue would be Ravel's La Valse.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 09:52 (five years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Thursday, 14 February 2019 00:01 (five years ago) link
Bonnard destroyed
― jmm, Thursday, 14 February 2019 00:38 (five years ago) link
lol that i forgot to vote for bonnard
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 14 February 2019 00:39 (five years ago) link
― large bananas pregnant (ledge)
jabba the hutt has great legs
― the scientology of mountains (rushomancy), Thursday, 14 February 2019 01:02 (five years ago) link