Impeach Trump Y/N

So you have no idea what they should have done? Do

Focus on jobs, trade, healthcare, war, issues. The idea has to be to win an election

how many fucking bills are sitting on Mitch's desk right now?

Not one person with a functioning brain believed that impeachment was ever going to lead to Trump's removal.

But... They did that as well, anvil?

A president can be an awful person, have terrible policies, not deliver on anything but not have done anything impeachable.

And yet he did, whether McConnell's kangaroo court was ever going to acknowledge it or not. I'm really not sure where this line of argument is going, at all.

Another who's sick of these wannabe pundit political calculus "arguments"

But... They did that as well, anvil?

Right, and if it works he won't be president next year

What will be interesting to see is if his poll numbers go up now he's been acquitted. though its not easy with the time lag to accurately judge. As people don't change opinions overnight, its a gradual process as we know

Dems' biggest mistake in fall would be "Trump is awful" as entire message

didn't work last time

Sanders won't do that

This is a broader question, and one on the right wing brain worms thread, but yes "your guy is a bad guy" just doesn't work and never has

Dems should do other stuff, but exactly that strategy has worked pretty well for GOP, no?

It works fantastic if you have a the right wing media machine behind you and your target audience is Conservatives

It's amazing how much legislation the Dems have passed since gaining both houses of Congress in 2019!

I guess if anything, I just wish the Democrat messaging on impeachment would be more confident and assured and less flailing and feigning shock. I agree they had to do something, so why not just say they know they did the right thing and that they did it as a matter of principle. What bothers me is all the hysterical shock-feigning and flailing and "have you no decency sir" rhetoric. I think on a very primal, reductive level, the Democrats just kind of look like losers in this whole thing and Trump looks like the winner. They need to spin it as though they knew this would be the outcome but know that they made the right decision anyway.

I think Trump has eased off on his public dick-swinging since the trial got underway, and I feel like that probably had a positive impact on his approval rating. I would bet, now that he's freebasing a cocktail of acquittal and total vindication, that he's about to crank it up to full-blown Trump Gone Wild mode for the foreseeable future, which will probably have the opposite impact on his approval rating.

and btw this story unperson linked to on the other 2020 thread suggests that Dems turning out in record numbers in 2018 because they cared about, say, health care instead of the evil imbecile in the Oval Office is a cliche needing another look.

I just wish the Democrat messaging on impeachment would be more confident and assured and less flailing and feigning shock. I

Where have you seen flailing and feigning shock? After yesterday's speeches dat's dat. If anything, the story changed when Romney suddenly found his courage.

To some extent if his poll numbers move in either direction then maybe that tells us something about whether impeachment was a good strategy or not come election time, but the filtering through of events to polls is difficult to quantify so I'm unsure on that

Some of y'all should stay off Twitter.

The televised speech Trump's got scheduled for today should be a joy to behold.

I continue to maintain that people's visceral disgust at this suppurating anal fissure of a human being is not being accurately measured by polls. And is mysteriously invisible to the likes of Chuck Todd.

Everybody should stay off twitter, but that's another issue.

Where have you seen flailing and feigning shock? After yesterday's speeches dat's dat. If anything, the story changed when Romney suddenly found his courage.

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Maybe so. I more meant the way it was going during the trial, e.g. outrage over procedural stuff that had no chance whatsoever of impacting the outcome.

I want M4A, a major rethinking of an executive branch's war powers, free college, and, uh, a functional regulatory arm from our next president, but I've come to realize: voting Trump out of office is all that matters. If one of our candidates is savvy enough to weave policy proposals around the determination to eliminate Trump's vomit-inducing presence, more power to'em. But pretending "we should run on M4A" will drive turnout alone is nonsense.

But pretending "we should run on M4A" will drive turnout alone is nonsense.

agreed

voting Trump out of office is all that matters

That's all you'll get w/out Sanders. Keeping expectations low, a Dem tradition since Nixon resigned.

Tbf it's probably all you get with Sanders too

The responses to this tweet are interesting - the overwhelming majority are saying something along the lines of "Yeah, we're optimistic about next year because we're gonna get rid of Donald Trump!"

Pay attention to this people. It’s harder to have a change election when people feel so optimistic. The resistance is going to have to work like hell. https://t.co/rBPStgOFXq

— Charles M. Blow (@CharlesMBlow) February 6, 2020

so will Mittens be part of the Resistance now? not sure Comey is still going to meetings

That's all you'll get w/out Sanders. Keeping expectations low, a Dem tradition since Nixon resigned.

― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius),

One of the things I've realized in the last month: while Sanders makes every effort to shoehorn Trump into stump speeches, when he says "Trump is a liar, a bigot, a racist, and a homophobe" there's a phoned-in quality. It's as if he has to say it lest he get called on for not saying it. And I've concluded Sanders and Biden share a belief that Trump is an aberration, a nuisance. In Biden's mind a DC in which he and Mitch walked arm in arm up the Capitol steps is his happy place; for Sanders it's fighting what he thinks is the real enemy, i.e. corporatism, the health care industry, etc. As a result many of his worst Berniebros consider Biden -- indeed, any candidate not Bernie -- as bad if not worse than Trump.

Hoping that McConnell doesn't survive the next election. Because even with Trump gone he'd be enough of an obstruction to getting anything done.
Can he be impeached or anything for going against standing procedure, or basically anything legal.
Or could the legal trouble of a few months ago reappear and take him down. I mean that guy is about as corrupt as they come on several levels anyway isn't he?
& isn't he really unpopular in kentucky too. Or has that changed?

Interesting question, not so much who is worse Biden or Trump, but

who is worse McConnell or Trump?

which is probably a deeper question than anything to do with specific individuals

they should both fucking die

which is worse, having an arm pulled off or having a leg pulled off

I feel like McConnell is more of the mastermind and Trump is more of the accidental superweapon.

McConnell has more responsibility for *how we got here* imo.

To say "no" while showing the emotions of an electric typewriter requires no evil genius.

Twitter should be destroyed. If Anonymous can bring it to its knees for a few days, do it

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lol Nancy saying Trump looked sedated at the SOTU like last time

I've concluded Sanders and Biden share a belief that Trump is an aberration, a nuisance.

Hasn't he said, many times, that we need to keep in mind the circumstances that gave rise to Trump and Trumpism? That would suggest to me he thinks of him as anything but an aberration, but instead a logical outgrowth of societal/political decay.

Yeah, that seems very much the dominant way of thinking in the Sanders camp, completely the opposite of the Biden camp. Biden is the "let's get Trump out of the way so we can get back to normal" guy. Bernie is "normal was already fucked up and Trump just made it worse."

Fair!

I think thats it for me too, a consequence or symptom rather than an aberrration, similar directions elsewhere in the world too, not coincidental

I think we all agree -- since at least January '81 in the United States. It's to what extent our candidates realize it.

McConnell is much worse

Yeah, that seems very much the dominant way of thinking in the Sanders camp, completely the opposite of the Biden camp. Biden is the "let's get Trump out of the way so we can get back to normal" guy. Bernie is "normal was already fucked up and Trump just made it worse."

"I wish the Kaiser was back. In those days we had order."

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this thread is an abomination, fuck, people. if youre talking about about building a better system under this constitution you start with the tools to fix shit it gives. in this case you got two- impeachment and elections.

you gotta do both.

they can do both. abandoning that fight reinforces that russian oligarchy is the new normal both economically and politically.

low info ppl have little time and less inclination to get fucking woke, they want a side that fuckin wins for them and fucking fights for them.

there’s a reason you must fight for rights—people, even dumb ones, treat it as either waiver or forfeit.

the shitshow made it an even clearer record what GOP is. it was an expected outcome. it’s both worth it as a pursuit of dismissal and as a demonstration of moral and legal competence.

if there’s an assumption that waiving impeachment would have produced a better environment— and also time— for the bernie Vanguard of the Millennials to develop and sell his/their better policy— I DOUBT THAT SHIT— YOU SHOULD BE GETTIN THAT DONE ANYWAY.

Hammer doors and stay positive— “voter, you could have it so much better, it doesn’t have to be this.”

Inasmuch as we all still need a candidate we all should be doing this.

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT.

thread should be locked for a “Re-impeach Trump y/n”

i agree with most of that, but there is 0.0% chance democrats will impeach trump again. if he's impeached again, it will be by republicans (there is a 0.000000001% chance of that happening)

The House can just conduct their own version of the half dozen simultaneous Benghazi investigations without proceeding to impeachment. Unless they turn up undeniable evidence of a high crime sufficiently bad that impeachment looks like a dunk.

yeah odds for reimpeachment happening are super low from here

one thing age and brain injury has given me is “a lot of shit is IMPOSSIBLE til it gets done.”