shit wrong thread
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Thursday, 5 December 2019 20:45 (four years ago) link
"why should ppl like virgil, xyzzy, hurting whoever care about the argument that iowa is a bad state to start primaries in"
The head of the Danish film critics association is using what Nate Silver is saying to advance the opinion that Sanders isn't doing well. That tweet (and others like it) are showing he is full of it. You were going about how Corbyn is pretty much the British Trump so I'd expect it would be difficult for you to keep up.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 6 December 2019 09:10 (four years ago) link
I'm not head of the Danish film critics association yet. She is my flatmate.
Also, I thought this board agreed that no matter what happens we don't drag peoples personal lives into beef on the board?
― Frederik B, Friday, 6 December 2019 10:49 (four years ago) link
Anyways, comrade alphabet explains it quite well never the less. Nate Silver says Sanders isn't doing so well, so he has to be discredited. That's it, basically. That the back and forth in question mostly shows virgil is wrong and silver is right, that's unfortunate, but as you can see it's not a problem for the already converted. Naysayers has to be discredited, no matter what.
― Frederik B, Friday, 6 December 2019 11:02 (four years ago) link
Lol that was a joke. You are fairly open about your film writing on here.
And no Virgil was not proved wrong. And again, it's just one of many howlers from Nate as pundit. So you relying on him for your view on Sanders is funny but not surprising.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 6 December 2019 11:13 (four years ago) link
Difficult to see Pete doing well in SC. Confused about direction the thread has taken.
― anvil, Friday, 6 December 2019 11:16 (four years ago) link
It's just not okay to make jokes out of other posters personal lives, how fucking hard is that to comprehend?
― Frederik B, Friday, 6 December 2019 11:37 (four years ago) link
Seriously, it's like discussing with a toddler.
And that joke would be out of bounds if you actually were three years old, btw. Those are the rules.
― Frederik B, Friday, 6 December 2019 11:38 (four years ago) link
Seriously you shouldn't be talking about people's ability to comprehend anything.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 6 December 2019 11:52 (four years ago) link
both of you should stop
― american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 6 December 2019 12:29 (four years ago) link
i still think i should get mod powers bc i would put a swift end to this
― peloton for the painfully alone (m bison), Friday, 6 December 2019 12:38 (four years ago) link
so anyway bernie is doing p good
to get back on track
This is a beautiful example of listening to skeptical people, of sticking to your guns but treating people who aren’t convinced yet with dignity. We need more of this. (22 minutes in) https://t.co/97J8dpoMxs— €MP€ROR X (@emperorx) December 6, 2019
― Simon H., Friday, 6 December 2019 12:40 (four years ago) link
I'm sorry, I honestly feel like I have my hands clear here. I literally blocked him, took myself out of the equation, and he kept on shitting on me behind my back. How can it get any clearer, that this is not a 'both sides' thing, this is him continually being a piece of shit. Anyone want a fight to stop? Don't begin to complain when the fight spins out of control, clamp down on the shitty behaviour even if the other side isn't responding.
― Frederik B, Friday, 6 December 2019 12:55 (four years ago) link
Anyways, the data is clear, Sanders is losing. So there. How to turn that around?
― Frederik B, Friday, 6 December 2019 12:56 (four years ago) link
tbc maybe neither you nor fred should be opining on american politics bc this is some weak shit. nate thinking sanders isn't doing well (btw nate is a data scientist with one of the better track records in analyzing polling so maybe he doesn't have personal animus here?) should not become an excuse to try and discredit him, but even if it were (yr thinking here indicates really pathetic political inclinations but fine whatever) bringing in totally unrelated opinions as like "wow another howler" esp when you hardly understand the issue he's discussing (could you even find IA or NH on a map I wonder) is dumb af. you might've noticed everyone wondering why the discussion *you* brought up was relevant to this thread. that's bc they're all better educated on american politics than you, but you apparently think "lol nate is dumb he thinks iowa is white" is a discrediting opinion or something.
― Mordy, Friday, 6 December 2019 13:00 (four years ago) link
and just tbc i never said corby is the british trump, i said that just like trump supporters are able to explain away his bigoted comments and associations corbyn supporters can do the same for his antisemitic ones bc my point was that idiot partisans never have any trouble excusing bigotry on their own side while condemning it on another's. i have seen no indication that you have anything intelligible to say beyond rah-rahing for your own team which makes sense why unrelated nate comments would be inexcusable blunders in yr eyes bc for you it's all about prosecuting some narrow political inclination on a message board. just real poor shit from you and i already have low expectations so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
― Mordy, Friday, 6 December 2019 13:03 (four years ago) link
I'm hesitant to rely on Nate Silver as an authority not because he has personal animus against Bernie (though he might) but because he's wrong a lot
― Simon H., Friday, 6 December 2019 13:04 (four years ago) link
he was still the most right mainstream pundit on the 2016 election tho
― Mordy, Friday, 6 December 2019 13:04 (four years ago) link
Howling @ "honestly feel like I have my hands clear here" fkn hell this is great fiction. And how many times have you thrown abuse around? It's no biggie for me, but you're hardly innocent. Take the heat back, or if you don't want to see it block me.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 6 December 2019 13:06 (four years ago) link
the bar is extremely low
― Simon H., Friday, 6 December 2019 13:08 (four years ago) link
everyone was working with the same flawed polling data but he saw the flaws in it early and was warning about them for months. i think he gave trump something like 33% chance to win the day before the election. following nate was the only reason i wasn't shocked when the results came in.
― Mordy, Friday, 6 December 2019 13:10 (four years ago) link
Mordy yeah, but he's really constantly wrong whenever he doesn't have a big chart of data and three paragraphs of wonky methodological chitchat alongside him, i.e. whenever he acts as "pundit." he has really blatant center-right blinders that lead him to e.g. constantly pick klobuchar as most likely to succeed, and in such cases the data falls away and it's a lot of vague and/or gabbnebby statements about which sectors of the electorate they're supposedly gonna unite, which is no better or worse than any other pundit.
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 6 December 2019 13:10 (four years ago) link
hey can we please get this clusterfuck back on topic with an in-depth discussion of bernie's botox regime and whether he's succumbing to pressure to become 'smooth bernie' irl
https://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/bernie-botox-736x475.jpg
― "Big Joe Fuck and the Bogalusa Maniac" (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 6 December 2019 13:11 (four years ago) link
"and just tbc i never said corby is the british trump, i said that just like trump supporters are able to explain away his bigoted comments and associations corbyn supporters can do the same for his antisemitic ones bc my point was that idiot partisans never have any trouble excusing bigotry on their own side while condemning it on another's."
This issue has been thoroughly discussed at every angle on ilx. Openly displaying your ignorance of those discussions to barge in like you did doesn't help your cause here.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 6 December 2019 13:11 (four years ago) link
bg otm, what that forehead do?!
― Simon H., Friday, 6 December 2019 13:13 (four years ago) link
"i think he gave trump something like 33% chance to win the day before the election."
So he was still wrong.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 6 December 2019 13:14 (four years ago) link
oh no someone has an opinion you don't like about a candidate you adore stfu dork
constantly pick klobuchar as most likely to succeed
iirc (but you might've seen posts i haven't) the argument there was that in a general she'd be formidable bc she's a dem that has overperformed dem numbers in a swing/lean red state? not that she'd be a shoe in for the primary? but i'd be interested to see otherwise if i'm wrong.
― Mordy, Friday, 6 December 2019 13:15 (four years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJ7SK3-WoAYwbCg?format=jpg&name=4096x4096
― "Big Joe Fuck and the Bogalusa Maniac" (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 6 December 2019 13:16 (four years ago) link
bizarro otm
― american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 6 December 2019 13:17 (four years ago) link
this is the new rolling skincare thread
it'd be an improvement
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 6 December 2019 13:18 (four years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJ7UQAsXkAADBtx?format=jpg&name=medium
― "Big Joe Fuck and the Bogalusa Maniac" (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 6 December 2019 13:18 (four years ago) link
i just think it's sad that bernie is pivoting to running on his raw sexual appeal rather than policy, y'know
― "Big Joe Fuck and the Bogalusa Maniac" (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 6 December 2019 13:19 (four years ago) link
Just checked the first 538 draft back from 2017, and you know who idiot pundit Nate Silver picks with his first pick? BERNIE FREAKING SANDERS (senator of Vermont). I mean, what a centrist doofus, right?
― Frederik B, Friday, 6 December 2019 13:35 (four years ago) link
if we made a "debatable value of data science in political reporting / Nate Silver dogpile / 538 generally" thread could we keep that shit in there
― Simon H., Friday, 6 December 2019 13:40 (four years ago) link
smoove b
― 💠 (crüt), Friday, 6 December 2019 13:42 (four years ago) link
― Simon H., 6. december 2019 14:40 (six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
We could try, but I doubt it as long as xyzzz is on the board. But it's an important discussion.
― Frederik B, Friday, 6 December 2019 13:49 (four years ago) link
Paying my respects to Data Science rn
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 6 December 2019 13:53 (four years ago) link
Fred, can you read the thread title? Do you understand it?
Do you wonder at all why other posters are in here offering criticism of Bernie but you seem to be the one getting the blowback? It's because you are here to provoke.
The thing is, there's a thread for the primary. How about staying out of here and using that one instead.
― Suggest Banshee (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 6 December 2019 13:58 (four years ago) link
marxists are into hardcore history?
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/07/10/soto-j10.html
― No language just sound (Sund4r), Friday, 6 December 2019 14:03 (four years ago) link
i mean i could dig back through a few hundred silver tweets and all their awful slack chat "snake draft" posts and everything else but i already feel embarrassed enough about reading those the first time. i stand by my conviction that silver is a lousy, centrist pundit but I recognize that this is not a post that will persuade anybody to co-sign that opinion.
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 6 December 2019 14:33 (four years ago) link
U.S. Democratic contender Sanders proposes $150 billion for 'high-speed internet for all' https://t.co/TUHiq52Kyb pic.twitter.com/EwChE7R5Cp— Reuters (@Reuters) December 6, 2019
Stealing policy from Labour 😂🤣
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 6 December 2019 15:39 (four years ago) link
🔥🔥🔥@KillerMike on MSNBC: "We need an alternative to the two choices we’ve been given. @BernieSanders is not starting the revolution—he’s continuing the revolution. It’s the same revolution that Dr. King fought, that the SCLC fought, that Eugene Debs and Lucy Parsons fought.” pic.twitter.com/EuNVv0xzdP— Eric Blanc (@_ericblanc) December 9, 2019
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 9 December 2019 09:29 (four years ago) link
chefkiss.jpg
Bernie Sanders' associations paint a pattern of proximity to antisemitism, which raises the question: Is it that he really doesn’t notice, that he’s willing to tolerate it, or that he somehow also supports it?https://t.co/yinzXFICmH— The Federalist (@FDRLST) December 10, 2019
― a synthesis of Trotskyism and Ufology (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 16:09 (four years ago) link
This all sounds familiar to me
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 16:11 (four years ago) link
been looking forward to it
― difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 16:15 (four years ago) link
I've been wondering whether they were going to try and import that idiocy to the US.
― OneSecondBefore, Tuesday, 10 December 2019 18:21 (four years ago) link
Very good op-ed by Keeanga-Yamahtta Taylor:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/10/opinion/bernie-sanders-multiracial-workers.html
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 18:25 (four years ago) link
So this "proximity to anti-Semitism" means what exactly? And this proximity is discovered among Bernie's "associations"? And we are supposed to question why he "tolerates" this? Can criticism become any more attenuated than this?
Meanwhile, we currently have POTUS who eats kittens. Not literally, of course. He's more into taco bowls and KFC. But I think we all know what I meant.
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 18:44 (four years ago) link