went with "(other)" because i feel like automatic "no way, no conspiracy, nothing to see here folks, move on pls!" talk is just as irresponsible, in its way, as "CLINTON BODY COUNT STRIKES AGAIN" shit.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Sunday, 11 August 2019 00:44 (four years ago) link
i think epstein committed suicide and the fact that he wasn't being adequately monitored was due to gross negligence and not conspiracy
― Vape Store (crüt), Sunday, 11 August 2019 00:47 (four years ago) link
^^^^
― Euripedes' Trousers (Tom D.), Sunday, 11 August 2019 00:50 (four years ago) link
if it were just about anyone else I'd definitely agree with you
― Simon H., Sunday, 11 August 2019 00:51 (four years ago) link
either killed or "other"
― ciderpress, Sunday, 11 August 2019 00:53 (four years ago) link
I'm somewhere between 'gross negligence' and 'allowed/encouraged' to do it '
― gbx, Sunday, 11 August 2019 00:54 (four years ago) link
Died of SUICIDE on 24/7 SUICIDE WATCH ?
I notice posts that repeatedly say Epstein was on suicide watch and others that repeatedly say he was taken off suicide watch. That covers all the bases, I guess.
― A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 11 August 2019 00:57 (four years ago) link
Negligence or guards just not giving a fuck. As I said on the other thread, some of the most infamous murderers in UK history, who you would expect would be watched extra carefully, have hung themselves in their cells.
― Euripedes' Trousers (Tom D.), Sunday, 11 August 2019 00:57 (four years ago) link
the latter is the case apparently, why he was taken off is an open question
― Simon H., Sunday, 11 August 2019 00:59 (four years ago) link
Yeah - he was on suicide watch w/accompanying psychiatric interviews & whatnot for a while, they decided he wasn’t suicidal, and six days later he killed himself. Ppl framing it like “they conveniently gave him the means to kill himself” like he’s Frank Pentangeli from The Godfather I guess can’t conceive of a committed suicidal person biding their time, keeping up appearances, and not raising any red flags until they’re sure they can get away with it.
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Sunday, 11 August 2019 01:11 (four years ago) link
It’s an “open question” only as much as you believe that mental health diagnosis and treatment in our nations esteemed prison system is foolproof, which if you do, that must be a nice way to live.
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Sunday, 11 August 2019 01:14 (four years ago) link
I...do not think that. I just think the particular circumstances (both how high-profile the case is and how suicide-proofed the facility is meant to be, still waiting for a contradictory take on the MCC) are sus
― Simon H., Sunday, 11 August 2019 01:16 (four years ago) link
"Don't worry about anything, Jeffrey Epstein.""Thanks, Alan--thanks."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U89DzP8NGM4
― clemenza, Sunday, 11 August 2019 01:18 (four years ago) link
conspiracy doesn't apply here
it's thunderingly obvious what essentially happened
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 11 August 2019 02:20 (four years ago) link
Hillary used her ninja training to sneak into his cell and defeat him?
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Sunday, 11 August 2019 02:23 (four years ago) link
i'm sure at a minimum JE was advised that "a Whitey Bulger" awaited him
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 11 August 2019 02:24 (four years ago) link
Whitey Bulger lasted a lot longer.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Sunday, 11 August 2019 02:26 (four years ago) link
u guys do recall that Trump and the Clintons were pals for a couple decades, right?
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 11 August 2019 02:33 (four years ago) link
Welp
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Sunday, 11 August 2019 03:23 (four years ago) link
assuming that d’angelo barksdale clip will get some mileage
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Sunday, 11 August 2019 03:57 (four years ago) link
yeah, it's hard to watch. hasn't it been confirmed that he was recently taken off of suicide watch? i for one cannot believe trump wouldn't factcheck the people he retweets
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 11 August 2019 04:18 (four years ago) link
lol
have you seen photos of the body? it’s obviously not him. my guess is, epstein’s on a private plane to somewhere in the middle east getting prepped for plastic surgery right now #EpsteinBodyDouble— Foster The People (@fosterthepeople) August 11, 2019
― Simon H., Sunday, 11 August 2019 04:23 (four years ago) link
Pumped Up Epps
― frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 11 August 2019 04:29 (four years ago) link
who killed j epstein?
http://powet.tv/powetblog/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/robert_hegyes_as_juan_epstein_in_welcome_back_kotter.jpg
― buzza, Sunday, 11 August 2019 04:44 (four years ago) link
I knew this storyline felt like a retread
Remember when the Panama Papers revealed global level finance crimes and the only thing that happened was that the journalist who released them got killed?— Joe Biden retire, bitch (@YourFriendCrud) August 10, 2019
― Simon H., Sunday, 11 August 2019 06:09 (four years ago) link
who even remembers at this point that the paradise papers followed that, to even less impact
― Criss Angel Raw: The Mindfreak Unplugged (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 11 August 2019 07:25 (four years ago) link
this twitter thread seemed pretty enlightening re: suicide watch, and what that means in practice
Incoming thread.Content warning: discussion of suicidal ideation and suicide watch protocol.Today is an emotionally tough day. Bowing out is fine. Being furious is 100% reasonable. Warning.— CZEdwards (@CZEdwards) August 10, 2019
― soref, Sunday, 11 August 2019 08:26 (four years ago) link
excellent read soref thks
― phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Sunday, 11 August 2019 08:37 (four years ago) link
Indeed, thanks soref.
― pomenitul, Sunday, 11 August 2019 09:02 (four years ago) link
I'm not fully up on the details, but I don't see how Epstein even countenances suicide BEFORE a trial. He'd have a reasonable expectation he could beat the case surely. After a conviction, well. thats a different story
People being murdered in prison is hardly an unusual occurrence
No one ever thought this guy was going to make trial
― anvil, Sunday, 11 August 2019 09:12 (four years ago) link
He'd have a reasonable expectation he could beat the case surely.
I'm sure he had a reasonable expectation he was going to get bail, when he didn't get it maybe the sky finally fell in. Tbh I don't want to spend another minute thinking about his POS and am dissappointed at myself for commenting itt.
― Ned Trifle X, Sunday, 11 August 2019 10:12 (four years ago) link
Hillary didn't lose the "election"; she lost the coin toss backstage, overseen by the lizard people who secretly guide all world events. Then she just had to "make it look good" and vanish off the public stage once her role in the Grand Design was complete. Do I have that right, Morbs?
― shared unit of analysis (unperson), Sunday, 11 August 2019 11:32 (four years ago) link
Don't have stats to hand but people killing themselves in prison is far less unusual.
― Euripedes' Trousers (Tom D.), Sunday, 11 August 2019 11:33 (four years ago) link
I really don’t get the impulse to pooh-pooh people for having conspiracy theories about this when the person in question here was being prosecuted for participating in A MASSIVE CONSPIRACY
Epstein may or may not have been whacked but how can you blame people for thinking he was?
If you want this downplayed because you think it will give ammunition to the right, well, whose fault is that? The Clintons willingly chose to associate (extensively) with this guy. A staggering amount of famous liberals did, even AFTER he had been charged the first time.
People believe in conspiracy theories about the wealthy and powerful being depraved monsters who can get away with anything because they are constantly being given good reason to believe it.
And if you dismiss their concerns about it, they’ll happily fall under the sway of something like Qanon
― Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Sunday, 11 August 2019 11:45 (four years ago) link
Right, exactly! I don't think anyone here is going to dispute that people die regularly in prison, both by their own hand and by the hands of others. It is far from outlandish to suggest the people are murdered in prison, and that certain people are potentially more at risk of this happening to them.
After trial, I'd take a sucide explanation all day long. Before? I can't see it
― anvil, Sunday, 11 August 2019 12:09 (four years ago) link
there's a pretty blinkered anti-conspiracy strain of thought that resembles Richard Dawkins' dogmatic brand of atheism...more abt intellectual arrogance than anything else
one thing for sure about this guy, he killed himself or he didn't
― The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 11 August 2019 12:33 (four years ago) link
I mean either way there are enough complexities (psychological or conspiratorial) to make me wonder how some rando on twitter (or ILX) can be all "NO!" about it
― The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 11 August 2019 12:34 (four years ago) link
OTM
― Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Sunday, 11 August 2019 12:42 (four years ago) link
The 3rd option that I've seen people claim is that the body isn't estrone st all. Photos show the substitute is clearly different to the living Epstein so he's been spirited away somewhere comfortable.Which really is a conspiracy theory.Like.But is one I've seen circulating.
― Stevolende, Sunday, 11 August 2019 12:48 (four years ago) link
― Criss Angel Raw: The Mindfreak Unplugged (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 11 August 2019 12:59 (four years ago) link
(xp) It might be intellectually arrogant of me to comment, so I'll pass on that one.
― Euripedes' Trousers (Tom D.), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:03 (four years ago) link
xp tool + rube
^using it
― The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:03 (four years ago) link
another victory for fat-thumbed typing
― Criss Angel Raw: The Mindfreak Unplugged (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:04 (four years ago) link
Anyway, this is all American stuff, who cares about the Clintons, Prince Andrew being outed as a paedo will suit me fine.
― Euripedes' Trousers (Tom D.), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:05 (four years ago) link
honestly I think Clintons are behind my sciatica
― The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:09 (four years ago) link
could be some royals too though
I'm not fully up on the details, but I don't see how Epstein even countenances suicide BEFORE a trial. He'd have a reasonable expectation he could beat the case surely.
Again, I don’t really track why people are so quick to attribute any level of rational thinking to the insane pedophile sex slaver who built an impregnation ranch
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:10 (four years ago) link
was he insane?
he pretty rationally figured he could get away with this, it went on for a very long time
― The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:13 (four years ago) link
The twitter thread soref posted really says it all
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:13 (four years ago) link
I corrected a predictive text back to epstein on the previous comment. I thought it had become a recognised option for the phone then it posted wrong again.But there is a conspiracy theory circulating that e body isn't epstein at all. Which is another way of seeing things.Gone back to his lizard friends?
― Stevolende, Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:14 (four years ago) link
Danny BonaduceRed ButtonsMarcia Wallace oh wait no that’s an old “this week on the Love Boat” list
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 4 January 2024 00:35 (four months ago) link
Bill BrewerJan StewerPeter GurneyPeter DavyDan'l WhiddonHarry HawkeOld Uncle Tom Cobley and all
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 4 January 2024 00:38 (four months ago) link
Fred Biletnikoff, Brandon Tartikoff, Sid and Marty Krofft!Fred Gwynne and Anthony Quinn and Rin Tin Tin and Pearl BaileyAnd Moms Mabley and Mayor Daley and Hank and Phoebe Snow!Ethel Merman and Pee Wee Herman and Strom Thurmond and Vince Lombardi and George and Jesus Jones.Edith Head and Mister Ed and Nostradamus and Danny Thomas and Leona and Sherman Hemsley!
― Expansion to Mackerel (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 4 January 2024 01:27 (four months ago) link
Fall Out Boy itt furiously taking down notes
― ( X '____' )/ (zappi), Thursday, 4 January 2024 01:30 (four months ago) link
If anyone is interested, the full doc is available here:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/jan/03/jeffrey-epstein-documents-list-pdf
― Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 4 January 2024 01:39 (four months ago) link
they should make a musical about jeffrey epstein.
― treeship., Thursday, 4 January 2024 02:08 (four months ago) link
No — tbh i don’t find him funny whatsoever.
― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Thursday, 4 January 2024 02:17 (four months ago) link
there’s nothing much in there that wasn’t already released, afaict
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Thursday, 4 January 2024 02:24 (four months ago) link
not to be all i aint reading all that but THE LIST just gimme THE LIST
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 4 January 2024 02:28 (four months ago) link
it’s the same list as before but they removed the redactions on a former president and a member of the uk royal family
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Thursday, 4 January 2024 02:40 (four months ago) link
Are there any unexpected names?
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Thursday, 4 January 2024 02:40 (four months ago) link
this is only part of the documents so more to come
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Thursday, 4 January 2024 02:42 (four months ago) link
Even without a lot of bombshells, just going over all of this stuff in more detail is good because it's all so gross and terrible and they deserve to be shamed.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 4 January 2024 03:00 (four months ago) link
hate to say it but maybe you do gotta hand it to him sometimes
Elon Musk free Ben Garrison's account pic.twitter.com/UmZsiPV0Zi— Aleph (@woke8yearold) January 3, 2024
― frogbs, Thursday, 4 January 2024 03:56 (four months ago) link
wasting no time with the new public domain characters
― jaymc, Thursday, 4 January 2024 04:17 (four months ago) link
David Copperfield and Michael Jackson were new-ish ones.
― underwater as a compliment (Eazy), Thursday, 4 January 2024 06:20 (four months ago) link
Last night I rewatched the first ep of JE:Filthy Rich on Netflix (after work lol) and I’d recommend a watch if you haven’t seen it or if you’re feeling cynical — this guy was a complete and total piece of shit. What he/they did to the girls of Florida alone warrants abundant disgust. Just to remind why we’re here.
― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Thursday, 4 January 2024 14:13 (four months ago) link
Is the Ghislane one on Netflix worth watching? I watched the Epstein one and figured she was covered well enough.
― nickn, Thursday, 4 January 2024 17:28 (four months ago) link
She was his #1 enabler and a sicko in her own right for having been involved with him so intimately for so long (as always, imo). To understand the full dynamic it helps to know something about her and where she came from and what she did. I don’t believe he would have gotten his daily dose without her. If you can stand it, “watch one ep then decide whether or not to continue” is my advice. Re: the document I read a little bit of her testimony and I had to stop. She snapped at the questioning lawyer and it reminded me of the Kavanaugh/Klobuchar exchange during his confirmation hearings. You could see a person who was cornered and desperate and willing to lash out at anyone to remain out of trouble. And now iirc she’s in prison so ha ha. No comment on him. This convo isn’t about that! Also her email at the very beginning was clearly written in a state of panic unless that’s “just her writing style” (careless, sloppy, extremely defensive)
― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Thursday, 4 January 2024 17:48 (four months ago) link
wish the full ep of this was streaming, unless this is the whole segment. the tone is disgusting enough but about 100x worse now given what we know
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTc0FLHCFUM
― global tetrahedron, Thursday, 4 January 2024 17:52 (four months ago) link
"i'm just wondering, now, what do you need a commercial size airliner for?"
god damn
― global tetrahedron, Thursday, 4 January 2024 17:53 (four months ago) link
the full clip must be somewhere - but the first links to be found are all blocked - Video unavailable / This video contains content from Paramount Global (PMN), who has blocked it on copyright grounds
― StanM, Thursday, 4 January 2024 18:37 (four months ago) link
this seems to be the full 2 minute segmenthttps://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/reality-tv/bizarre-jeffrey-epstein-tv-clip-resurfaces-online/news-story/0af74b89aa43fb72c7c943b92484bffb
― StanM, Thursday, 4 January 2024 18:39 (four months ago) link
So did it come out
― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 4 January 2024 22:23 (four months ago) link
Came out. Saw its shadow.
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Thursday, 4 January 2024 23:48 (four months ago) link
new docs have been released
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Thursday, 4 January 2024 23:50 (four months ago) link