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weird timing and all cause in all probability it just ended for good; no one watches this show. but they should: it's warm, humane, mysterious, timely, touching, and occasionally riotously funny. and also maybe the only show that's reckoning with the current economic climate in anything approaching an honest way. also featuring some guest/recurring stars that I don't want to spoil for the uninitiated. but man I love(d?) this fuckin show.

Simon H., Tuesday, 15 October 2019 16:19 (seven months ago) link

I just spent a week and a half in LA and 5 different people recommended it to me. I've only watched the premiere and loved it. Yesterday I mentioned the show by name (not by @) to 2 people (an ex-ilxor & a semi-famous musician) who sang it's praises and within hours, two of the major actors liked and retweeted my tweet.

OK, I guess *some* people watch it. But yeah, if you so much as breathe a word about this show on Twitter half the cast/crew will fave, to an extent I've never seen with any other series.

Simon H., Tuesday, 15 October 2019 16:26 (seven months ago) link

Lol, since I posted that, I got another retweet from someone NOT on the show but worked as an AD on Breaking Bad, Mad Men & The Office according to her imdb.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 16:34 (seven months ago) link

Yeah, it's the kind of "they generally don't make 'em like this" project that tends to attract industry praise. I hope all the love is enough to keep it going at least one more season.

Simon H., Tuesday, 15 October 2019 16:39 (seven months ago) link

NY Times gave it a shout out and a "please don't cancel this" today

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 16:40 (seven months ago) link

For the newbies, a spoiler-free, adoring intro from Emily VDW (inasmuch as this is a spoilable show):

https://www.vox.com/culture/2019/8/9/20798142/lodge-49-season-1-streaming-watch-season-2-premiere-review

Simon H., Tuesday, 15 October 2019 16:48 (seven months ago) link

can’t wait to get home and watch the finale

it’s tricky to get the formula right when a season begins with a flash-forward and the season builds back to that point and from what i’ve seen so far, they’ve done a great job.

the other thing that sticks with me is how some characters are homages or parodies of real people but it’s done so very thoughtfully. i mean, having wyatt russell as the lead doesn’t hurt. dude is great at playing congenial characters

mh, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 17:30 (seven months ago) link

loved season 1, loved the first episode of season 2, have completely fallen behind on this and all tv. will slowly get back into the fold over the next couple weeks.

flopsy bird (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 17:33 (seven months ago) link

S2 has some tiny dips here and there but higher highs than S1. There's a mythology-heavy episode around the middle that is particularly stunning.

Simon H., Tuesday, 15 October 2019 17:40 (seven months ago) link

Yay, you started a Lodge 49 thread! Let me catch up and rhapsodise.

tangenttangent, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 20:29 (seven months ago) link

I am yet to watch the finale, and hope things are sufficiently wrapped up lest we not get another season, but not so much that it precludes the possibility of one!

As suggested upthread, the fact that financial hardship figures as a central component of the narrative is one of the more honest things in recent TV history. The exploration of a relationship between orphaned siblings and the weird relationship to memory and different approaches to coping is particularly poignant. Ah but there’s so much hope in the show! In magic and in acts of rebellion! It’s a show that likes and rewards people who are kind and I can’t remember the last time I watched something like that. Okay, maybe The Good Place, but Lodge 49 is just the absolute best.

tangenttangent, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 20:43 (seven months ago) link

I was trying to figure out how I know Champ (David Ury), and it took me until today to recall he played the early youtube prankster Ken Tanaka, a caucasian man adopted by Japanese parents and grew up in Japan.

Most of his vids are scrubbed but a few along the periphery remain, like this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLt5qSm9U80

If you are Western looking and could speak JP with a bit of fluency 10+ years ago, one or dozens of your Japanese friends might have sent his videos to you back then.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 21:44 (seven months ago) link

Okay now I know why my musician friend was posting about the show, a song of his plays in the third episode haha.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 04:00 (seven months ago) link

no spoilers, but the quiet Dud/Ernie scene in the s2 finale absolutely killed me.

Simon H., Wednesday, 16 October 2019 06:24 (seven months ago) link

Whoever is coordinating the music on this show is A+

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 17 October 2019 17:15 (seven months ago) link

Almost finished season 1. Does anyone know if season 2 is coming to Amazon Prime or will I need to look elsewhere?

groovypanda, Friday, 18 October 2019 07:18 (seven months ago) link

(In the UK that is)

groovypanda, Friday, 18 October 2019 07:18 (seven months ago) link

I played some Soundcarriers stuff on my old radio show but never heard them in the wild, so it was really cool to hear them used so prominently here

Simon H., Saturday, 19 October 2019 23:21 (seven months ago) link

spoilery intw with the creators a couple days ago

https://www.bustle.com/p/will-lodge-49-return-for-season-3-the-series-creators-have-big-plans-for-dud-19253974

Simon H., Thursday, 24 October 2019 17:50 (seven months ago) link

Just wanted to echo how powerful that scene with Ernie and Dud was. My wife and I were both in tears. Amazing job by both of them.

DJI, Thursday, 24 October 2019 19:36 (seven months ago) link

Finally watched the last episode. Wow, the last ten minutes or so were like the most exciting and joyful television ever! The show's varying levels of fantasy work so well because there is always something totally corporeal to anchor it; for every mysterious door there is a scene like the Ernie and Dud one. Ah, so much was set up - I really hope it gets a third season.

tangenttangent, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 14:32 (six months ago) link

BAD NEWS: Officially canceled by AMC
GOOD NEWS: Is being shopped

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 30 October 2019 02:10 (six months ago) link

God damn it.

Simon H., Wednesday, 30 October 2019 02:19 (six months ago) link

I'm really not optimistic about the odds anyone else picks it up. I was playing pessimistic about its odds for renewal but I secretly kinda thought AMC would keep it going just for the critical love, and the fact that it was probably pretty cheap to produce. But alas.

Simon H., Wednesday, 30 October 2019 02:58 (six months ago) link

whoa

Simon H., Saturday, 9 November 2019 06:45 (six months ago) link

four weeks pass...

catching up... as we near the end and the remedios varo references and mysterious auctions start to pile up its feeling just a little too nudge-nudge

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Saturday, 7 December 2019 02:23 (five months ago) link

https://goo.gl/maps/2ydrz2JJd5hmdE3z8

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 14 December 2019 19:42 (five months ago) link

lmao

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Saturday, 14 December 2019 22:26 (five months ago) link

alas...

DEAR LYNX, it breaks my heart to announce that LODGE 49 won't be going forward. We tried very hard to find a new home, but there were no takers. Ratings, metrics, algorithms...que sera, brah. I will write a proper postscript soon, but for now a few thoughts. (thread)

— Jim Gavin (@jimatdeltaco) December 17, 2019

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 17 December 2019 20:21 (five months ago) link

;_;

mh, Tuesday, 17 December 2019 20:27 (five months ago) link

that's a lovely goodbye

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 17 December 2019 20:53 (five months ago) link

fuck that almost makes twitter worthwhile

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 18 December 2019 06:21 (five months ago) link

two weeks pass...

finally catching up on this season and it's obviously excellent.

sorry for being party to the show's cancellation by not watching in a timely matter :(

525,600 gecs (voodoo chili), Friday, 3 January 2020 19:09 (four months ago) link

no spoilers but now that I know it's the end, it has one of *the* great final shots of a series

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Friday, 3 January 2020 19:11 (four months ago) link

im still absorbing "circles," which was probably the best television episode of the year, unless there are better ones coming up.

525,600 gecs (voodoo chili), Friday, 3 January 2020 19:21 (four months ago) link

That might be the series highlight yeah, the show's Achilles heel imo is that the direction can be a little flat/pedestrian compared to the material, so seeing them mix things up so successfully was exciting

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Friday, 3 January 2020 19:24 (four months ago) link

this show is so good - i didn't know i wanted a late-capitalist crying of lot 49 with added western hermeticism but i really, really did

just finished s1, can't wait to dive into season 2

que pasa picasso (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 12:29 (four months ago) link

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2010/12/06/costello

― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 9 November 2019 06:32 (two months ago) bookmarkflaglink

this is great btw, thx albert for posting - amazing how well jim gavin's voice here is reflected in the show

que pasa picasso (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 15:14 (four months ago) link

just watched s2ep7, that scene with dud and ernie was a tour de force. one of the saddest parts of the end of this beautiful show is that idk when we'll be able to see brent jennings in such a big role again. he's such a friendly, warming presence, even when (especially when) he's sad or angry.

culture of mayordom (voodoo chili), Thursday, 16 January 2020 17:52 (four months ago) link

just started watching this last night, love it

Οὖτις, Thursday, 16 January 2020 17:58 (four months ago) link

always good to see the Meat Man from Strangers w Candy

Οὖτις, Thursday, 16 January 2020 17:58 (four months ago) link

omg Bruce Campbell!! Silver Apples! Eden Ahbez! what a show

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 16:17 (three months ago) link

bruce campbell is so, so good in this

the main character Cooly and his fart attack (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 16:18 (three months ago) link

yeah, perfectly cast

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 16:24 (three months ago) link

this show made fantastic use of its guest stars

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 16:24 (three months ago) link

also v cool to see Charles Yu deliver a great script (albeit just for one episode)

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 19:07 (three months ago) link

I feel like this show kinda stole How to Be a God in Central Florida's thunder

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 19:08 (three months ago) link

i don't see it tbh.

A) because this show was way too low-key to steal anyone's thunder and
B) because how to be a god in central florida kinda didn't deliver (presumably due to its complicated gestation)

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 21:45 (three months ago) link

I saw HTBAGICF first but this seems so much better and predicated on a similar premise (recently traumatized loser becomes enmeshed in mysterious organization with hopes of striking it rich/finding redemption). that's all I meant.

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 21:47 (three months ago) link

oh. well then i see it :D

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 22:36 (three months ago) link

big difference is that Dunst's character is motivated by revenge - which you can't really say about any of the main characters in Lodge 49

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 29 January 2020 21:11 (three months ago) link

I like the comparison cause they are/were both About Capitalism to some extent. I agree God is the weaker show (for now)

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Wednesday, 29 January 2020 21:25 (three months ago) link

yeah a lot of commonalities around being in debt, get-rich-quick schemes, frauds, corporations-as-mystery-cults

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 29 January 2020 21:31 (three months ago) link

Forgive the thread spam, but I wanted to note that this show's 2019 season is nominated in the 2019 ILX TV poll:

ILX's Best Television of 2019 Poll / VOTING AND CAMPAIGNING THREAD / Voting Ends January 31

If you like this show and you'd like to see it have a good showing in the poll (running in February) all you need to do is submit a ballot including it and your other favorites (4 minimum, 25 maximum, organized by your favorite to least favorite) to forksclovetofu at gmail by end of day today. It'll take five minutes; get to it!

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 31 January 2020 14:29 (three months ago) link

Meat Man/Blaise is so great in this, didn't know he had it in him

also just about fell out of my chair when the producer from Review showed up as the "psychic"

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 5 February 2020 22:34 (three months ago) link

so happy you‘re enjoying this!

caucus fricked iowa account (mh), Thursday, 6 February 2020 03:18 (three months ago) link

it seems like practically every scene features some great visual gag or detail - and the recurring ones are really well deployed (the coffee table without a table, the croaking raven in Ernie's house)

Οὖτις, Thursday, 6 February 2020 16:05 (three months ago) link

I'm into this apart from the hapless tanktopped Englisher

nashwan, Thursday, 6 February 2020 16:25 (three months ago) link

I love the implied makeshift culture that takes root in the abandoned Orbis factory - the references to rival groups (the cook mentions a "treaty"?!), half-baked schemes like the trebuchet.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 6 February 2020 17:01 (three months ago) link

The wide shot that reveals the "living room" area existing in the corner of the plant is my favorite visual gag in the whole series I think.

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Thursday, 6 February 2020 17:04 (three months ago) link

yeah that was great

there's been a surprising amount of quality physical comedy/visual gags, lots of people falling through things etc. As soon as that murphy bed was introduced ...

Οὖτις, Thursday, 6 February 2020 17:07 (three months ago) link

SoCal people, trying to figure out what IRL company Orbis represents, Hughes Aircraft? It shut down for good in 97 when Jim Gavin would have been in his early 20s and could have made an impression, esp on the local south bay economy.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 6 February 2020 17:15 (three months ago) link

I was trying to figure that out as well. The flashback stuff with Jackie Loomis and her Orbis paramour clearly a nod to the JPL/Jack Parsons/Crowley/L. Ron Hubbard axis

Οὖτις, Thursday, 6 February 2020 17:22 (three months ago) link

apart from Hughes the other one that occurred to me was General Dynamics

Οὖτις, Thursday, 6 February 2020 17:23 (three months ago) link

been putting off the last three episodes cause im so sad there aren't gonna be any more :(

ooga booga-ing for the bourgeoisie (voodoo chili), Thursday, 6 February 2020 17:27 (three months ago) link

just finished, remarkable show

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 6 February 2020 17:28 (three months ago) link

There are two seasons of this right? I'm only just onto the last few of s1

nashwan, Friday, 7 February 2020 16:05 (three months ago) link

Yep

DJI, Friday, 7 February 2020 17:28 (three months ago) link

I don't mind spoilers here tho

nashwan, Friday, 7 February 2020 17:31 (three months ago) link

I also dig the recurring motif of things getting smashed through - walls, windows, tables, maps, floors, ceilings

Οὖτις, Friday, 7 February 2020 18:12 (three months ago) link

Finally finished, am very happy sad at the moment. Probably gonna keep the mood going by listening to Broadcast’s joint album with The Focus Group.

The Mexico episode is one of the funniest hours of tv I’ve ever experienced, and the last ep worked fine as a series finale—still, you can’t help but wonder what was to come after that brilliant final shot.

Maybe Jim Gavin turns it into a book.

ooga booga-ing for the bourgeoisie (voodoo chili), Sunday, 16 February 2020 16:37 (three months ago) link

also loved the touch in the finale that the other, background lynxes got annoyed at dud for not inviting them to guadalajara lol

ooga booga-ing for the bourgeoisie (voodoo chili), Monday, 17 February 2020 02:05 (three months ago) link

i finally started this & i love it

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 23 February 2020 19:10 (three months ago) link

join ussssss

Generous Grant for Stepladder Creamery (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 23 February 2020 19:42 (three months ago) link

:D

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 23 February 2020 20:04 (three months ago) link

yay!

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 23 February 2020 21:12 (three months ago) link

you look defydrated

na (NA), Friday, 28 February 2020 20:36 (two months ago) link

damn I loved this show

frederik b. godt (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 23:31 (two months ago) link

four weeks pass...

s1e6 is fucking god-tier TV and probably the single reason why I'm now on my 4th rewatch of this show.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 31 March 2020 04:59 (one month ago) link

The accelerating leaps of pace and the corners each revealed mystery exposes is just masterful.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 31 March 2020 05:03 (one month ago) link

Petitioning to sneak s3 production costs into the covid relief bills, for our collective well-being

brechtian social distancing (Simon H.), Tuesday, 31 March 2020 05:15 (one month ago) link

So just last night I found out (via my wife) who Wyatt Russell's parents are, I had no idea... in spite of meeting and chatted with his half-sister a few years ago.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 6 April 2020 15:02 (one month ago) link

Is this on any streaming services?

calstars, Monday, 6 April 2020 15:47 (one month ago) link

amazon prime (s1 only in the UK)

nashwan, Monday, 6 April 2020 15:48 (one month ago) link

hulu in the USA

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 6 April 2020 16:27 (one month ago) link

Groundhog Day: Blaise plays Bill Murray's shrink and Ernie's boss plays the groundhog day MC/handler.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 12 April 2020 20:27 (one month ago) link

ernie’s boss is bill murray’s brother!

force ghost bg (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 12 April 2020 20:39 (one month ago) link

yes! and he was the co-writer of Caddyshack but also in that film portrayed a character named "Lou Loomis"... almost the exact name of the Sovereign Protector of Lodge 49 circa s1 eps #1-5.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 13 April 2020 04:46 (one month ago) link

More odd parallels: Tricia Brock directed episodes #5 & 6 of Lodge 49 s1, but she was the writer of Twin Peaks season 2 episodes 17 & 23 which prominently feature Windom Earle, portrayed by Kenneth Welsh who plays Larry Loomis in Lodge 49.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 13 April 2020 04:56 (one month ago) link

I just watched the first episode. I wasn't crazy about it and would probably bail except for all the praise about it here.

Yerac, Monday, 20 April 2020 16:54 (one month ago) link

I felt the same way, except the 2 people who recommended it to me specifically said to give it a few episodes.

It's definitely a slow burn, there are an incredible amount of buried/obscured details that reveal themselves in later viewings. If you're not onboard by s1ep6 (if you can hang that long) it's probably just not your thing.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 20 April 2020 17:41 (one month ago) link

I also dig the recurring motif of things getting smashed through - walls, windows, tables, maps, floors, ceilings

― Οὖτις, Friday, February 7, 2020 10:12 AM (two months ago)

Yes, it parallels the a brief detail of Flammarion's Engraving in the title credits, Paul Giamatti's character straight-up does this to the map on Ernie's living room wall:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flammarion_engraving#/media/File:Flammarion.jpg

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 20 April 2020 17:44 (one month ago) link

currently watching AMC's Dispatches From Elsewhere which feels a lot like if you stripped Lodge 49 of the fascinating minutiae, belly laughs, and contemporary resonance, and replaced it all with Michel Gondry worship and a real budget. A real shame.

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Tuesday, 21 April 2020 16:34 (one month ago) link

I was a little worried about that. Haven't read any reviews and had considered checking the hivemind here before watching

mh, Tuesday, 21 April 2020 17:20 (one month ago) link

most people seem to like it but I'm finding it kind of unbearable

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Tuesday, 21 April 2020 17:22 (one month ago) link

the promos seem to be very portentous and packed with recognizable actors, which often does not bode well

mh, Tuesday, 21 April 2020 17:24 (one month ago) link

not to mention a vague title and even vaguer trailers.

edgard varese-type beat (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 21 April 2020 17:38 (one month ago) link


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