How will you vote in the Labour Leadership election?

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Poll Results

OptionVotes
RLB/Butler 9
Not a member but: RLB/Butler 3
Starmer/Rayner 3
Not a member but: Starmer/Rayner 2
Not a member but: RLB/Allin-Khan 2
Nandy/Burgon 2
RLB/Rayner 2
RLB/Allin-Khan 1
RLB/Burgon 1
Not a member but: Nandy/Butler 1
Not a member but: RLB/Rayner 1
Not a member but: Nandy/Rayner 1
Not a member but: Starmer/Allin-Khan 1
Nandy/Murray 1
Not a member but: Starmer/Burgon 0
Not a member but: Starmer/Butler 0
Not a member but: Nandy/Burgon 0
Not a member but: Starmer/Murray 0
Not a member but: Nandy/Allin-Khan 0
Not a member but: Nandy/Murray 0
Not a member but: RLB/Murray 0
Nandy/Butler 0
Nandy/Rayner 0
Starmer/Allin-Khan 0
Starmer/Burgon 0
Starmer/Butler 0
Starmer/Murray 0
RLB/Murray 0
Not a member but: RLB/Burgon 0
Nandy/Allin-Khan 0


ogmor, Tuesday, 18 February 2020 15:44 (three months ago) link

reluctantly

Generous Grant for Stepladder Creamery (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 18 February 2020 15:45 (three months ago) link

rlb/butler

devvvine, Tuesday, 18 February 2020 15:58 (three months ago) link

really can't get behind the push for burgon, who always struck me as fairly useless despite his decent politics

devvvine, Tuesday, 18 February 2020 16:00 (three months ago) link

I have to decide in one day?

Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 18 February 2020 16:00 (three months ago) link

Reluctantly is correct but RLB / Burgon.

ShariVari, Tuesday, 18 February 2020 16:01 (three months ago) link

opden kayfabe be damned for one post. as it stands, rlb/rayner, unless there's some really compelling reason you all have for voting butler that isn't specious bullshit about rayner being Bad Actually (the other three are obviously joke candidates)

'reluctantly' covers it nicely. none of the main candidates have much force of personality and none of them convince me. starmer is considerably more useless than his fanbase would claim - there's nothing compelling about him or his beliefs - and he'll only win because too many people who should know better have projected Competent Man fantasies onto him. rlb seems sound and all but feels unsuited for spearheading an election campaign. guess we'll have to (try and) find out. nandy might even be the most competent public figure of the three but also manifestly the most evil

imago, Tuesday, 18 February 2020 16:06 (three months ago) link

RLB/Butler, I’m not impressed by Burgon even if he’s the most left deputy.

hyds (gyac), Tuesday, 18 February 2020 16:07 (three months ago) link

burgon is a chump but not sure any of the other candidates for deputy are any better

Generous Grant for Stepladder Creamery (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 18 February 2020 16:07 (three months ago) link

I quite like AR but she doesn’t need my 1st pref vote and she is too right wing for me, I think.

hyds (gyac), Tuesday, 18 February 2020 16:09 (three months ago) link

Why don't people like Rayner now? I have been following as well as I can but have missed this bit.

Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 18 February 2020 16:13 (three months ago) link

Rayner an immigration hawk, no?

frederik b. godt (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 18 February 2020 16:17 (three months ago) link

I'm going to watch some deputy hustings before deciding if I want to put Butler and/or Burgon ahead of Rayner, who looks like the leading contender to be the leader after next

ogmor, Tuesday, 18 February 2020 16:18 (three months ago) link

I’m not sure many people actively dislike Rayner but she has never really identified much with the left of the party and doesn’t back open selection.

ShariVari, Tuesday, 18 February 2020 16:19 (three months ago) link

RLB/Allin-Khan as I have forgotten any reason why the latter may not be good.

nashwan, Tuesday, 18 February 2020 16:20 (three months ago) link

also don't really give a fig who be the dep

rotate it with the moon lads

nashwan, Tuesday, 18 February 2020 16:21 (three months ago) link

Rayner got a lot of (deserved) flack for saying she, too, has been mistaken for other politicians/women. This on the tail of MPs Oppong-Asare and Eshalomi raising the issue of being confused for another politician (ie. other black women). It was tone deaf for sure.

I don't think this went far beyond the twitterverse, but... it stuck with me tbf

Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 18 February 2020 16:21 (three months ago) link

RLB/Butler. Burgon is too allied to the cranks and is a bumptious bungler. I'm finished with Rayner forever as with anyone who expresses solidarity with their fellow working class comrade Jess Phillips in aid of being reductive about a black person's experiences of party racism. I nearly went for Starmer after that scintillating bit of humorous storytelling the other day. But I would actually rather commit slow painful suicide than give even a 2nd pref to that tory cunt!

calzino, Tuesday, 18 February 2020 16:22 (three months ago) link

I didn’t think you’d manage to surprise me itt, calz, and tbf, you haven’t.

hyds (gyac), Tuesday, 18 February 2020 16:23 (three months ago) link

Rayner was also attacking Labour's proposal to teach unvarnished BE history to a clapping crowd of bigoted muppets.

calzino, Tuesday, 18 February 2020 16:24 (three months ago) link

not wite enough!

calzino, Tuesday, 18 February 2020 16:26 (three months ago) link

Friend who used to work at the union head office once voiced vague concern Rayner might be in their pocket a bit. I think RLB/Rayner wld be a good and effective team/unity ticket

ogmor, Tuesday, 18 February 2020 16:26 (three months ago) link

RLB/Rayner for that very reason for me too.

glumdalclitch, Tuesday, 18 February 2020 16:32 (three months ago) link

I can only conclude that Burgon voters are swayed by his taste in metal and full brows.

hyds (gyac), Tuesday, 18 February 2020 16:33 (three months ago) link

RLB/Allin-Khan as I have forgotten any reason why the latter may not be good.

― nashwan, Tuesday, 18 February 2020 16:20 (eleven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

who's gonna post that minister of fabulosity clip

sorry that was two posts! just as well I have a ridiculously complex board game to play now eh

(while I'm here, the 'unvarnished empire history' thing was poorly worded but I do genuinely think she got misconstrued. still open to positive arguments for butler)

imago, Tuesday, 18 February 2020 16:37 (three months ago) link

rlb butler

nxd, Tuesday, 18 February 2020 16:38 (three months ago) link

And to think I almost joined the Labour Party. RLB/Rayner, the shine has very much gone off the former but look at the alternatives, as for the former, nobody's perfect. I've never been particularly impressed by Butler but maybe I haven't been paying attention. I might vote Tory if Burgon gets the nod.

Load up your rubber wallets (Tom D.), Tuesday, 18 February 2020 16:44 (three months ago) link

Dawn Butler has a very respectable track record of not being a wrecker when working with a way to the left of her leader who she didn't vote for. She came across very well and very decent likeable person for a pol on that recent novara interview. I can't recall her ever being disloyal to Corbyn or trying play to the Labour Right gallery. It probably doesn't really matter that much who the deputy is as long they aren't another habitual mischief maker, cracking up from too many dodgy dietary supplements.

calzino, Tuesday, 18 February 2020 16:45 (three months ago) link

Yes, the Deputy Leader, who cares really?

Load up your rubber wallets (Tom D.), Tuesday, 18 February 2020 16:49 (three months ago) link

I confess I'm not really following this process at all now though.

Load up your rubber wallets (Tom D.), Tuesday, 18 February 2020 16:55 (three months ago) link

AR is going to absolutely walk it so in a real sense nobody’s choice itt for deputy matters

hyds (gyac), Tuesday, 18 February 2020 17:13 (three months ago) link

Virtually every other choice I could make some sense of bit I honestly can't fathom the logic of voting for Burgon over Dawn Butler.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 18 February 2020 20:23 (three months ago) link

The best argument for Rayner is that she isn't a wrecker (given previous incumbent this is even more of a plus rn) and that Butler would be deprived of a good shadow cab post.

From day one it's been RLB/Butler. Almost nothing has made me question it.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 18 February 2020 20:38 (three months ago) link

Whoever goes in will have their biggest fight to just keep Labour as any kind of electoral force. Given that the Tories will re-draw boundaries, look for voter suppression efforts and anti-union legislation their task might be completely different to what the contestants think it is now.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 18 February 2020 20:44 (three months ago) link

They might not need to suppress my vote the way this leadership competition is going.

calzino, Tuesday, 18 February 2020 20:47 (three months ago) link

I don't know that much about Allin-Khan in terms of positions and policies, I had a look at her website and twitter feed but it's all pretty non-specific? I did find out that her mother was a member of Filipinki, 1960s Poland's most popular girl-group:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpzwA-VOO08

soref, Tuesday, 18 February 2020 21:26 (three months ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Wednesday, 19 February 2020 00:01 (three months ago) link

https://cdn0.tnwcdn.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2016/08/Duke-Nukem-796x398.jpg

yes we can

calzino, Wednesday, 19 February 2020 21:15 (three months ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Thursday, 20 February 2020 00:01 (three months ago) link

Nandy/Burgon 2

:D

imago, Thursday, 20 February 2020 00:22 (three months ago) link

6 starmerite roaders amongst us!

frederik b. godt (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 20 February 2020 00:28 (three months ago) link

the grown-ups that dare not speak their name

babby bitter (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 20 February 2020 11:31 (three months ago) link

this is not the level of lockstep idological purity i expect from the uk politics cru, crying and shaking rn

Generous Grant for Stepladder Creamery (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 20 February 2020 11:38 (three months ago) link

I usually try and sabotage political polls on twitter by clicking Yes I love tories option, but I couldn't do it on this one.

calzino, Thursday, 20 February 2020 11:39 (three months ago) link

30 votes?

hows that tally with contributors to say ukpol thread?

BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Thursday, 20 February 2020 11:40 (three months ago) link

WRECKERS

Generous Grant for Stepladder Creamery (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 20 February 2020 11:42 (three months ago) link

RLB elected leader, going to have to go to second prefs to for deputy with butler edging rayner atm

Jo Bird, candidate for NEC, was briefly suspended when someone complained abt her "jew process" joke, now back in the running. where we're at rn

ogmor, Thursday, 20 February 2020 11:43 (three months ago) link

I went with 'Not a member but: RLB/Allin-Khan'. Don't know all the ins and outs of all the deputy candidates, but Allin-Khan, for me, stands out as someone deeply rooted in her local community. Something, I think, is key for Labour to bounce back: weaving a web of solidarity, knowledge and organizing a grass roots campaigns. In mosques, churches, town halls, food banks. T make people see how damaging the Tories are (as apparently people still don't see this enough to not vote for that scum). Her curriculum vitae is impressive, having worked in Asia and Africa as a doctor there. Bonus point: she's a boxer!

Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 20 February 2020 11:52 (three months ago) link

"Rachel Reeves Shadow Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster"

ugh!..fucking ridiculous, she shouldn't be anywhere near this cabinet. I'm never going to vote for a party with evil twats like her in front bench positions.

calzino, Sunday, 5 April 2020 16:39 (one month ago) link

opened up huge new opportunities for entrepreneurially-minded human resource traders iirc, a real victory for the free market xp

bam! Free bees! (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 5 April 2020 16:41 (one month ago) link

fuck everyone trying to shame people into sticking with this dogshit party

aaaaeeeeeeoooooooowwww (Left), Sunday, 5 April 2020 16:46 (one month ago) link

Just really interesting the people appointed to more senior roles than RLB.

extremely Dutch coughing sound (gyac), Sunday, 5 April 2020 16:47 (one month ago) link

great screen-name/content synergy there

bam! Free bees! (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 5 April 2020 16:47 (one month ago) link

er, xp

bam! Free bees! (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 5 April 2020 16:47 (one month ago) link

I like the cut of this new poster's jib!

calzino, Sunday, 5 April 2020 16:52 (one month ago) link

you’ll need to work harder than that to convince me that ‘left’ isn’t a calz sock

bam! Free bees! (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 5 April 2020 16:56 (one month ago) link

is it heck man!

calzino, Sunday, 5 April 2020 16:56 (one month ago) link

I haven't got the energy for darning new tootsie warmers!

calzino, Sunday, 5 April 2020 16:58 (one month ago) link

idk man calling the Labour party "dogshit" is the kind of savage bullying aggression that stops thoughtful Kier Biden fans from posting on UK pol threads

Kier today, Dom tomorrow (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 5 April 2020 16:58 (one month ago) link

at last now we can return of nuance and civility to the political discourse, that is when all the fucking worthless melts come out of hiding!

calzino, Sunday, 5 April 2020 17:02 (one month ago) link

when Fred starts haunting the UK pol thread every day without getting told to fuck off, you'll know the melts have risen!

calzino, Sunday, 5 April 2020 17:04 (one month ago) link

Rachel Reeves: a sensible olive branch to the party's right - promotes someone long seen as one of their biggest brains (and who backed Jess Phillips), sends a signal to the PLP who weren't with him that there's a way back for them:

there seems to be a glaring contradiction in this S Bush analysis

calzino, Sunday, 5 April 2020 17:11 (one month ago) link

depends who he's saying is doing the seeing tbh

mark s, Sunday, 5 April 2020 17:18 (one month ago) link

"long seen *by the party's right* as one of their biggest brains" doesn't create a contradiction i don't think

mark s, Sunday, 5 April 2020 17:20 (one month ago) link

If it's Wes Streeting he's quoting he should at least include scare astericks and someone being hailed as brainy and putting their weight such a hopeless candidate suggests a contradiction of sorts to me. Mr bloody sub editor!

calzino, Sunday, 5 April 2020 17:25 (one month ago) link

Mr blobby sub editor

Microbes oft teem (wins), Sunday, 5 April 2020 17:26 (one month ago) link

Sensible Rachel Reeves who enthused about Nancy Astor and who had a conference speech compared to Enoch Powell’s.

extremely Dutch coughing sound (gyac), Sunday, 5 April 2020 17:27 (one month ago) link

a: they're all v dim so their judgment is poor
b: she is their big brain = nevertheless still dim

weasely but logic is maintained

mark s, Sunday, 5 April 2020 17:28 (one month ago) link

There's the manifesto title

Kier today, Dom tomorrow (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 5 April 2020 17:30 (one month ago) link

A bunch of people whose political judgement I respect have quit, as has my wife, and I can understand why.

tbr, the ‘Labour left’ within the PLP is about twelve people and half of them voted for intervention in Libya and / or sent their kids to private schools. RLB commanding the vote of about 15% of eligible members doesn’t suggest they’re as unreflective as we’ve spent time telling ourselves over the last four years. It’s not a socialist party and hasn’t been since, at best, the early eighties. There is no good reason to stay a member unless you think the party can do good things at the local level and that the voice of the left, and the strength of left-wing ideas, can win over enough of the soft/centre-left members to meaningfully push the Overton window on policy in a better direction. At present, I lean towards thinking that those two things are probably at least partially true.

ShariVari, Sunday, 5 April 2020 17:36 (one month ago) link

as a blobby sub i'm enjoying SV's first sentence there :)

mark s, Sunday, 5 April 2020 17:40 (one month ago) link

Alas, she did not.

ShariVari, Sunday, 5 April 2020 17:41 (one month ago) link

I suppose amongst the right, "brainy" is really just proxy for "one of us" and I'm not crediting Bush with being hip to this. Blobby sub edit accepted!

calzino, Sunday, 5 April 2020 17:42 (one month ago) link

Xp Loooool

Kier today, Dom tomorrow (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 5 April 2020 17:43 (one month ago) link

It is often the unintentional barbs that cut the deepest!

calzino, Sunday, 5 April 2020 17:47 (one month ago) link

losing it trying to make sense of this whole “thank god we finally have a real opposition that’s willing to work uncritically with the tories” new party line, is there even a pretence of coherence here or is it just melt for fuck you

aaaaeeeeeeoooooooowwww (Left), Sunday, 5 April 2020 18:18 (one month ago) link

Look coherence is the old politics

Microbes oft teem (wins), Sunday, 5 April 2020 18:23 (one month ago) link

anyway Labour has always been an incorrigibly racist capitalist piece of shit in spite of every effort from a minority of members if anything good does come from the remains of Corbynism now it will have to be outside the party

aaaaeeeeeeoooooooowwww (Left), Sunday, 5 April 2020 18:30 (one month ago) link

I hate these people so much pic.twitter.com/TJ7oDCu87m

— Sam ✌️ (@samisam147) April 5, 2020

Starmer just has to make the most pathetically mild + ambiguously milquetoast criticism of the Tories and melts are gushing "this is what an opposition looks like, finally!". I'm finished with parliamentary democracy, it's completely hopeless with a cunt like him being leader of the opposition.

calzino, Sunday, 5 April 2020 18:37 (one month ago) link

Any money says those guys haven't been paying the slightest bit of attention, it's literally a Pavlovian response to a suit.

Matt DC, Sunday, 5 April 2020 18:42 (one month ago) link

EU loon jon worth at it too, salivating over how various shadow front benchers are going to dominate the Tories. I'd be surprised if we even hear from them once. Be interesting for someone to expand on what this opposition is going to look like or what it involves.

anvil, Sunday, 5 April 2020 18:44 (one month ago) link

annaliese dodds shadow chancellor

megan thee macallan 18 year (||||||||), Sunday, 5 April 2020 18:47 (one month ago) link

James Radio and co, how are they going to reference the Labour's retreat from public life? There's not going to be anything to even talk about other than "can you imagine if Corbyn was still in how bad this would be?", there's maybe a couple of years worth of material in that but has to be diminishing returns

anvil, Sunday, 5 April 2020 18:52 (one month ago) link

What worries me is that despite whatever he said during the leadership election I don't think Starmer will be interested in scrapping UC. He strikes me as someone who would be more interested in reforming it and just making slight adjustments to make it slightly less horrible. I know events have changed everything now, but Corbyn and McD were attacking them on UC every day nearly, even though events might bring radical reforms to UC from the Tories now as too many people have been exposed to it and the clash of UC and the middle class was not something planned for. But if there is any radical changes it won't be down to pressure from the opposition any more that much is for sure.

calzino, Sunday, 5 April 2020 18:53 (one month ago) link

post more please, Left

extremely Dutch coughing sound (gyac), Sunday, 5 April 2020 18:57 (one month ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/sDGUglK.jpg

ogmor, Monday, 6 April 2020 18:03 (one month ago) link

A lot of this to look forward to:

Our ⁦@Adamstoon1⁩ ⁦@EveningStandard⁩ as Starmer forms his Shadow Cabinet pic.twitter.com/NgLP5Usqfg

— George Osborne (@George_Osborne) April 7, 2020

ShariVari, Tuesday, 7 April 2020 13:58 (one month ago) link

Pretty sure antisemitism is over now.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 7 April 2020 14:05 (one month ago) link

now there’s nothing standing between keir starmer and a colossal landslide victory in the next general election

bam! Free bees! (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 7 April 2020 14:07 (one month ago) link

Pretty sure antisemitism is over now.

― Matt DC, Tuesday, April 7, 2020 4:05 PM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

:D

It astounds me more than it amuses me that, no matter what current global news or crisis takes up the biggest headline at the Graun site, a bit smaller to the right of it is, and forever and always, will be: Labour antisemitism.

BREAKING: 'WORLD DESTROYED BY METEOR, RIP'
Also in the news: 'Labour promises to tackle antisemitism in party'

A lot of this to look forward to:

🐦[Our ⁦@Adamstoon1🕸⁩ ⁦@EveningStandard🕸⁩ as Starmer forms his Shadow Cabinet pic.twitter.com/NgLP5Usqfg🕸
— George Osborne (@George_Osborne) April 7, 2020🕸]🐦


George O is going to go full “it can’t be antisemitic cos I’m Jewish” as well.

extremely Dutch coughing sound (gyac), Tuesday, 7 April 2020 14:11 (one month ago) link

I was talking more about the Standard's ability to flip from castigating Labour antisemitism to proudly publishing an antisemitic caricature of the most prominent Jewish man in the Labour Party without even blinking.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 7 April 2020 14:14 (one month ago) link

(xpost)

Matt DC, Tuesday, 7 April 2020 14:14 (one month ago) link

Yeah I was responding to the original link because it’s depressing how obvious and shameless it is.

extremely Dutch coughing sound (gyac), Tuesday, 7 April 2020 14:18 (one month ago) link

Ofc Ayesha Hazarika won’t be disgusted enough by this to stop working there

extremely Dutch coughing sound (gyac), Tuesday, 7 April 2020 14:20 (one month ago) link

You are both correct obv.

🤔🤔🤔

Interesting tweet you liked, @MikeGapes ??? pic.twitter.com/JAA0B70W3p

— jewdⒶs // ייִדהודה (@jewdas) April 7, 2020

calzino, Tuesday, 7 April 2020 15:28 (one month ago) link


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