love* in the time of plague (and by love* i mean brexit* and other dreary matters of uk politics)

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guess what we're all gnna do lol

mark s, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 11:16 (two months ago) link

choked for the madness

felt jute gyte delete later (wins), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 11:25 (two months ago) link

was this on the previous thread? (= gov.uk guidance on social distancing and protecting vulnerable-people

mark s, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 11:26 (two months ago) link

this government is going to be hoping everyone forgets what their original policy for this was, and the crucial delay it caused. let's not forget

strangely hookworm but they manage ream shoegaze poetry (imago), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 11:29 (two months ago) link

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/image_data/file/97304/vulnerable_people3-960.jpg

* if one member of your family or household has a new continuous cough or high temperature
** if you live alone and you have a new continuous cough or high temperature
*** for example cinema, theatre, pubs, bars, restaurants, clubs
**** for example via telephone or internet
1 such as anyone instructed to get a flu jab each year

mark s, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 11:29 (two months ago) link

(embedded chart from the gov.uk site, "underlying health conditions" is expanded on at the link

mark s, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 11:30 (two months ago) link

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/mar/17/coronavirus-uk-must-ramp-up-public-spending-in-wartime-situation-budget-watchdog-head

Speaking to MPs on the Treasury committee, he said: “This is not a time to be squeamish about one-off additions to the public debt. It’s more like a wartime situation that this is money well spent.”

“The more serious this is, the more blunderbuss the approach. When the fire is large enough you just spray the water and worry about it later. I think that’s likely to be the direction.”

Head of the OBR basically going 'fuck budget responsibility right now'. Except a further search has revealed that Robert Chote is due to leave shortly so IDK if that's just demob talk.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 11:36 (two months ago) link

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/boris-johnson-coronavirus-latest-chris-whitty-press-conference-a9405356.html

On Monday afternoon, at a press conference in Downing Street, prime minister Boris Johnson announced some of the most draconian measures in this country’s history.

Well, apparently he did anyway, as that’s what everyone keeps saying, but I’ve watched it back twice now and I’m not sure I can actually find any.

^^^^this this this

Every response seems to be about avoiding liability and protecting insurers.

Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 11:37 (two months ago) link

Prof Neil Ferguson, of Imperial College London and director of the MRC Centre for Global Infectious Disease Analysis, said that while it was not fully understood whether children transmitted the virus in the same way as other illnesses, school closures was a measure that could have an effect.

Speaking to the BBC Radio 4 Today programme on Tuesday, Ferguson said: “From a purely epidemiological perspective we think, with a lot of uncertainty, that closing schools and universities would further reduce transmission.”

Number None, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 12:02 (two months ago) link

latest is a draconian international travel ban which isn't actually a travel ban, just more advice with "on your own head be it"

Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 13:20 (two months ago) link

it's stronger I think - that FCO "advice" is what travel insurance is based on, so if you travel to those places you are not insured. As a result most companies won't let you travel to places FCO advises against.

stet, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 14:14 (two months ago) link

home sick today. just got a call to say that they've made people at work redundant but not me.

plax (ico), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 14:18 (two months ago) link

Just seen that Laura Ashley has gone into receivership, my sister in law is a branch manager currently off sick with a bad foot.

Mark G, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 14:27 (two months ago) link

The government’s earlier hopes that it could rely on large proportions – maybe 60% – of the population getting ill, getting better and becoming immune to build up some herd immunity in the UK population are dashed by this strategy, which many experts thought was dangerous anyway. Herd immunity is normally created by vaccinating large numbers of children, safeguarding those who cannot be inoculated. Nobody has ever tried to do that by allowing infection with a disease before – and now, it appears to have been recognised that it’s not safe to try..

Keep reading this paragraph and just... what

Fucking surreal to see swathes of the commeltariat (and the public ffs!) commending them for “responding” to this “new data”. PSA: you’ll never be able to stop touching your face if you’re addicted to tugging your forelock

felt jute gyte delete later (wins), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 15:04 (two months ago) link

Can’t kiss the ring if you’re too busy licking the boot!

gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 15:10 (two months ago) link

lol challenge accepted

felt jute gyte delete later (wins), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 15:18 (two months ago) link

Sorry to C&P from a random "nhs worker" on FB but I kind if like this explanation (probably because my brain works best with video games and process managenent):

The plan is to segregate all vulnerable people (older, ill, disabled and at risk) let’s call this group A

Anyone looking after the older, ill and at risk can be group B

The general population / generally healthy can be group C

Group C needs to go about its business keeping the country moving, kids at school, us at work

Group B looks after group A and avoids contact with C

Group C is allowed to contract the virus and because it’s generally healthy it can cope with it better than group A

Group A and B are almost self isolating without the virus to avoid putting strain on the NHS and reducing the risk of getting the virus and then needing the NHS

Group C (the generally healthy) go through the cycle of contracting the virus, self-isolating and being looked after by healthy family members, friends and the local community

Anyone who has complications gets looked after by the NHS while groups A and B are kept away The NHS are not strained by A and B while it's looking after complicated cases in C

As group C comes full circle and recovers it divides in to groups that take group B’s position looking after group A allowing group B to go though the cycle

With B and C though the cycle, A is free to have NHS to itself because B and C are now clear from illness and infection and hopefully have a degree of immunity from getting it again this season.

Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 15:26 (two months ago) link

from guardian liveblog:

Islington food bank in north London has announced it is to close after running low on food stocks and losing many of its volunteers who have been forced to self-isolate to avoid coronavirus infection.

The food bank, part of the Trussell trust network, is understood to be the first of the trust’s 426 food banks to close. The trust said no others had yet reported difficulties but it was carrying out a rapid survey of its members to gauge “pressure points”.

ymo sumac (NickB), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 15:53 (two months ago) link

Oh, fuck.

santa clause four (suzy), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 16:01 (two months ago) link

That's been a thing over here for some days now, too. Supplies have completely dried up due to hoarding in the supermarkets.

Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 16:02 (two months ago) link

the tory govt for the last decade have always dithered over a full Universal Credit rollout to pull in all the millions of legacy claimants in what the DWP sugarcoats it as a proposed "managed migration". They keep putting it off imo because i/ the system probably can't deal with the numbers without breaking down and ii/ plunging too many people into to such a shitty system at once brings a risk of increasing social unrest and all the extra costs associated with increased poverty. Just my bullshit opinion!

But now there will be millions of people from all the tourism, hospitality/events industries - I saw a list the other day and it's at least 5 million + jobs that will be toast and they can't all become fucking *m*z*n delivery drivers. This is why the Tories are shitting themselves right now and Raab is saying nice things about Cuba. Of course it is a monumental crisis that has landed on them, but many more people than previously or than they ever expected are going to be exposed to how fucking evil and completely inadequate the benefits system has become after ten years of their reforms, fucking chickens coming home to roost time imo!

calzino, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 16:28 (two months ago) link

Mutual aid groups already falling into yer leftist org pattern of being both overstructured and chaotic. Had to go from Facebook to Whatsapp to Slack. Still it's great to see ppl are helping each other out.

Hackney foodbank desperately asking for both donations and volunteers rn.

Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 16:28 (two months ago) link

I was talking about this yesterday; I will stay in as much as I can but if the antibody test was widely available then we would know for sure if we’d had it or have it. I’d love to help out with something like that but it’s so frustrating because of the risk of endangering people, and so unless I get very sick or hospitalised, what do I do?

gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 16:34 (two months ago) link

Royal Mail staff union says they have voted to become an emergency service, delivering essential supplies etc

stet, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 16:38 (two months ago) link

They won’t test people unless they are hospitalised or there is confirmed community transmission in the area, right, which latter can only be confirmed... by testing? More like COVID-22 imo

felt jute gyte delete later (wins), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 16:41 (two months ago) link

Group B looks after group A and avoids contact with C

This strikes me as pretty much impossible and where the whole strategy falls down?

Matt DC, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 16:41 (two months ago) link

It's not the most nuanced plan but in big buckets of minimising contact rather than eliminating it I can see it would help to manage the demand.

All probably moot though as it all seems too late to me

Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 16:51 (two months ago) link

Why 'plague' and not 'cholera'?

romanesque architect (pomenitul), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 16:59 (two months ago) link

here we go

calzino, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 17:05 (two months ago) link

Sunak: "This effort will be underpinned with government intervention in the economy unimaginable only months ago"

Says it's "not a time for ideology or orthodoxy". Get ready for some mega, mega spending...

— Lewis Goodall (@lewis_goodall) March 17, 2020

I'm going to bet I could imagine them a few weeks ago

stet, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 17:13 (two months ago) link

Rishi : 330 billion govt backed loans for businesses

calzino, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 17:13 (two months ago) link

he really needs a fucking editor, he takes 1000 words and hasn't got to a single factual announcement yet xp ok 1

stet, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 17:14 (two months ago) link

specific support for restaurants, pubs, etc, and those insured should be covered

stet, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 17:16 (two months ago) link

not a word about people yet

stet, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 17:17 (two months ago) link

3-mo mortgage holiday

stet, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 17:19 (two months ago) link

(for those affected)

stet, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 17:19 (two months ago) link

you'd think COVID 19 was a virus that just attacks businesses after listening to that long-winded cunt.

calzino, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 17:20 (two months ago) link

"this is no time for ideology" ..pretty much sounded like prioritising our precious wealth creators to me.

calzino, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 17:26 (two months ago) link

Nothing about people on rent or their bills?

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 17:42 (two months ago) link

Not that I heard, it was all about our poor beleaguered wealth creators to my ears.

calzino, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 17:47 (two months ago) link

such as anyone instructed to get a flu jab each year

do they not advise flu shots for everyone over there? Seems silly.

silby, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 17:53 (two months ago) link

The measures are necessary because the alternative is a gigantic spike in unemployment and the collapse of some sectors, but the lack of rent measures is outrageous, particularly when mortgage holidays are already on the table.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 18:00 (two months ago) link

Nothing about statutory sick pay either?

Matt DC, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 18:02 (two months ago) link

so landlords stop paying their mortgages but renters have to keep paying them rent?

ymo sumac (NickB), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 18:03 (two months ago) link

"Sunak insisted that an employment support package was on its way, and that he needed to finalise the details first with business and the unions"

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 18:11 (two months ago) link

£330m doesn't feel like anywhere near enough.


It’s £330bn tho (no idea if that’s what you meant to type as I can’t think in big numbers)

felt jute gyte delete later (wins), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 18:14 (two months ago) link

someone is dying and dr sunak is trying to negotiate terms and conditions with them before he agrees to any emergency treatment

ymo sumac (NickB), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 18:15 (two months ago) link

The measures are necessary because the alternative is a gigantic spike in unemployment and the collapse of some sectors

this is both true and a key reason why fuck this society at the same time

---------------six feet----------------- (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 18:18 (two months ago) link

many more people than previously or than they ever expected are going to be exposed to how fucking evil and completely inadequate the benefits system has become

This is key

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 18:19 (two months ago) link

yeah check yrself barry ffs xp

Weekend COVID press conferences have been suspended 'due to low ratings'.

If it's not as popular as Midsomer Murders, it's clearly not worth doing.

ShariVari, Tuesday, 2 June 2020 12:15 (yesterday) link

that's some trump-level reasoning there, very reassuring

maybe get Ant and Dec to do the weekends, problem solved

hip posts without flaggadocio (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 2 June 2020 12:19 (yesterday) link

some kind of care home death bingo where viewers at home get a chance to play for a car if their grandma dies

hip posts without flaggadocio (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 2 June 2020 12:20 (yesterday) link

Liz Truss to lead further review into why BAME people more at risk from coronavirus, MPs told

oh no

The obvious choice.

Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Tuesday, 2 June 2020 12:28 (yesterday) link

Can't Truss It

Neil S, Tuesday, 2 June 2020 12:38 (yesterday) link

The ratio obviously means testing is fucked but it might also mean that there have been enough symptomless carriers or mild cases to slow the spread of the virus in some areas. I'm not saying herd immunity here but it will have an effect. What happens in Sweden will probably be instructive here.

Has anything reliable or intelligent been written about whether there might be a proportion of people who were immune from the start? Assuming there is any long term immunity of course.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 2 June 2020 12:44 (yesterday) link

not that i've seen - feels like if that is a factor it'll be a long time before we have a large enough pool of data on populations to draw those kinds of conclusions

The conclusion to Truss's oh so probing report into bame c-19 deaths: isn't Wensleydale great, erm couldn't finish off my homework because some nasty pasty stoley wolled my special left-handed penny wen.

calzino, Tuesday, 2 June 2020 12:58 (yesterday) link

bloody italians can't keep their damn mouths shut, this is why brexit happened

Boris Johnson told his Italian counterpart, Giuseppe Conte, in early March that the UK was aiming for “herd immunity” as part of its approach to coronavirus, a TV documentary claims.

Channel 4’s Dispatches spoke to the Italian health minister, Pierpaolo Sileri, who said this is what was said in a conversation between Johnson and Conte on 13 March. Sileri told the programme:

I spoke with Conte to tell President Conte that I’d tested positive [for coronavirus]. And he told me that he’d spoken with Boris Johnson and that they’d also talked about the situation in Italy. I remember he said, ‘He told me that he wants herd immunity’.
I remember that after hanging up, I said to myself that I hope Boris Johnson goes for a lockdown.
In late February and early March the government’s scientific adviser were relatively open about saying that they thought it would be impossible to entirely suppress coronavirus and that there were advantages from allowing “herd immunity” to build up. Sir Patrick Vallance, the government’s chief scientific adviser, said this publicly, including in a Today programme interview on 13 March (the day the Johnson/Conte conversation took place). But very soon afterwards the government abruptly changed policy, in response to modelling saying that anything other than a policy aimed at full suppression of coronavirus would led to the NHS being overwhelmed.

Subsequently ministers became averse to being associated with the “herd immunity” concept, because that implied toleration or even support for people dying from coronavirus in manageable numbers, and now they insist it was never part of their policy.

Everyone already knows this Giuseppe, they literally said it out loud on national TV.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 2 June 2020 13:08 (yesterday) link

look just because they said it on tv and just because it was their actual policy when they said it, that doesn't mean they ever said it nor was it ever their actual policy

that is the old politics

Worth noting in relation to the worryingly high death rate among people of Bangladeshi origin, that Bangladesh itself - with a population of 161m and poor health care - they have recorded 709 deaths. The U.K., with a population of 66m - has recorded 40,000. https://t.co/JDd7x7QDhR

— Tim Walker (@ThatTimWalker) June 2, 2020

stet, Tuesday, 2 June 2020 14:32 (yesterday) link

fucking hell

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/02/covid-19-spilling-out-of-hospitals-and-care-homes-says-uk-expert?CMP

September, fucking hell. Meanwhile PPE seems to have disappeared from the headlines, glad that's all sorted then.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 2 June 2020 14:54 (yesterday) link

i believe the combined efforts of schoolkids 3d-printing headbands for improvised visors made from overhead projector sheets now make up 78% of frontline workers' ppe

a hundred people or more dead every day for the next three months, just another 10k dead or so before the next spike nbd

Queuing up outside Westminster to vote against having to vote in Westminster pic.twitter.com/pY8F0zHkNJ

— Louise Haigh (@LouHaigh) June 2, 2020

gyac, Tuesday, 2 June 2020 15:05 (yesterday) link

Absolute archaic bullshit, as if there is no possible way of enabling MPs to vote other than physically walking through a lobby.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 2 June 2020 15:29 (yesterday) link

It’s just dickwaving, isn’t it. Is that Mrs May in the orange skirt behind her?

gyac, Tuesday, 2 June 2020 15:32 (yesterday) link

Rees Mogg is the number one dick who loves to wave

hip posts without flaggadocio (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 2 June 2020 15:37 (yesterday) link

this is fundamentally all about whips, right? They're scared that MPs will get their brave pants on voting from home, away from the scowling eyes of the whips. That's a hell of a price to pay for discipline.

stet, Tuesday, 2 June 2020 15:51 (yesterday) link

my school just sent a letter. they’re not reopening.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 2 June 2020 15:57 (yesterday) link

good shout

hip posts without flaggadocio (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 2 June 2020 16:01 (yesterday) link

my wife disagrees with it. she says what about all the kids in bad homes that are stuck with terrifying parents, what about all the people who can’t go to their jobs. i mean - i disagree but i get where she’s coming from.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 2 June 2020 16:04 (yesterday) link

they would have got brutalised by their cruel violent parents anyway... sorry i'll get my coat.

calzino, Tuesday, 2 June 2020 16:09 (yesterday) link

i understand about that stuff and it ought to be addressed, but piecemeal reopening of schools doesn't seem to be honestly about that to me, nor even honestly about education.

hip posts without flaggadocio (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 2 June 2020 16:09 (yesterday) link

is it fuck.. it's all childcare for people in shit jobs.

calzino, Tuesday, 2 June 2020 16:10 (yesterday) link

and there's a whole lot of "lesser of various evils" decisions to be made now and for the forseeable future, but on the whole i trust the judgement of teachers as to their own health and safety more than i trust the government.

hip posts without flaggadocio (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 2 June 2020 16:11 (yesterday) link

Last Year In Westminster

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZhDkPyXkAAd7Kx?format=jpg

dominance and transmission (Matt #2), Tuesday, 2 June 2020 16:14 (yesterday) link

seems pretty telling that i've heard no sensible discussion about how to address state school kids's loss of education when schools are able to return to something closer to normal functioning, which could be thought through and planned for now instead of just desperately trying to kickstart the status quo ante asap

hip posts without flaggadocio (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 2 June 2020 16:15 (yesterday) link

my borough has occasionally had the highest death rate in the UK and among the highest BAME population so there’s that as well. i think it’s the right decision. i can’t even imagine the amount of flak they’re going to get for it.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 2 June 2020 16:18 (yesterday) link

ours is just back from his first day and tbh I haven't seen him this happy in months. The staff also told us they were relaxed with the arrangements around safety etc, which was a big concern for us. We're incredibly lucky – the school has an enormous campus for a london school and even in pods they all get a lot of outdoor space

stet, Tuesday, 2 June 2020 16:20 (yesterday) link

lucky that this was my youngest's last year of school/college and because of the way the BTEC is structured she was able to finish at home, because i wouldn't be happy at the prospect of her going back

hip posts without flaggadocio (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 2 June 2020 16:20 (yesterday) link

I'd love to send my lad back to his NAS college because he's a nightmare at the moment and missing it badly. But I'm in complete agreement with his teacher that it isn't the time yet.

calzino, Tuesday, 2 June 2020 16:23 (yesterday) link

thank you, comrade ukip https://t.co/XymU9j1X1Y

— hk (@HKesvani) June 2, 2020

Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 2 June 2020 17:29 (yesterday) link

All this shit because Rees-Mogg has only a typewriter at home imo.

nashwan, Tuesday, 2 June 2020 22:35 (yesterday) link

HANG ON. https://t.co/eMsb1hKGtu

— MXM (@mxmsworld) June 3, 2020

🤔🤔🤔

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 10:34 (two hours ago) link

quel fucking surp

hip posts without flaggadocio (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 10:36 (two hours ago) link

BREAKING: Bank of England warns banks to prepare for Brexit without a trade deal https://t.co/qUsflnhTdD

— Metro (@MetroUK) June 3, 2020

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 10:45 (two hours ago) link

Found calz’s alt

keir starmer is hilariously shite. sunburnt barrister forgot where he parked lookin cunt

— catholic goth (@antibloom) June 3, 2020

gyac, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 10:57 (two hours ago) link

it would seem that he is not "playing nice" any more, at least if you read the melt commentariat. So does that mean at the peak of a severe public health crisis where the govt did next to nothing to protect its population and NHS staff this cunt was just doing a little political theater for the consumption of a tiny irrelevant faction of the chattering media classes and just fucking playing nice?

calzino, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 11:24 (one hour ago) link

pic.twitter.com/BQ1VVYvJhd

— Ewan (@Ewannash06) June 3, 2020

Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 11:48 (one hour ago) link

lol beautiful

hip posts without flaggadocio (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 11:49 (one hour ago) link

Lol

Two weeks ago Keir Starmer privately raised concerns about the government’s handling of school reopening and offered to help the PM get it right. “I have tried to be constructive but boy he makes it difficult to support this government” #PMQs

— Lisa Nandy (@lisanandy) June 3, 2020

gyac, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 11:59 (one hour ago) link

it's hard out there for a Labour leader to support Boris Johnson

hip posts without flaggadocio (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 12:00 (one hour ago) link

'And then when I went to the parking lot where he said my Gameboy would be, there was nobody there. Except it seemed like I could hear somebody laughing in the bushes. I asked him about it the next day at school he got a kind of funny look in his eye. So I'm sorry I don't have the Gamebody dad, but I still think he's a top bloke'

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 12:02 (one hour ago) link

Given that the government actually wants Starmer's fingerprints on anything that goes wrong I'm surprised they haven't called his bluff and offered him a job.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 12:07 (one hour ago) link


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