bifurcated email chains: why are they so bad and hated

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Aka the one who complains about it is the one who does it

Lipstick Traces (on a Cigarette Alone) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 21:55 (two months ago) link

I feel like they're sort of inevitable in group message situations. But depending on your email provider, they can be easier or harder to follow. The great danger is always responding to the wrong branch.

the key is not to be the person who ends up forwarding the fork that has all the "why are these idiots asking us this again" comments back to the main branch

mh, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 22:04 (two months ago) link

Why is this thread still bookmarked?!? MODS!!!

Lipstick Traces (on a Cigarette Alone) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 22:10 (two months ago) link

By shares in slack.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 22:12 (two months ago) link

Seriously though. People are going to have to learn some new skills and some new tools to get through the his working from home stuff. Email hasn’t measurably changed in 40 years and is still based on writing letters.

Slack, Googlehangouts, zoom - good

Microsoft Team, Skype - terrible

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 22:18 (two months ago) link

B-b-but you forgot to mention FaceTime.

Lipstick Traces (on a Cigarette Alone) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 22:20 (two months ago) link

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Lipstick Traces (on a Cigarette Alone) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 22:20 (two months ago) link

FaceTime is effective but walled garden so pretty useless.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 22:27 (two months ago) link

My anecdotal experience is that it uses a lot more resources than say, Zoom.

Lipstick Traces (on a Cigarette Alone) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 23:03 (two months ago) link

I mean anecdotal I saw that zoom used very little data and FaceTime ate up battery.

Lipstick Traces (on a Cigarette Alone) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 23:11 (two months ago) link

Actually FaceTime didn’t use too much data either.

Lipstick Traces (on a Cigarette Alone) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 23:13 (two months ago) link

Zoom is also good because it is one of the few conferencing things that works across the great firewall of china (Chinese founder, Chinese servers available, presumably with the right spying/moderation tools. This makes it work for my wife who still has foreign student stuck in china. Although bad from ansecrecy/censorship perspective.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 23:20 (two months ago) link

We started using MS Teams at work a few months ago and it seems ok. What does Slack have over it? I know it's popular, but the one time I used it on a pc it seemed surprisingly not good.

change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 23:21 (two months ago) link

Yeah, I’m having a pretty good experience with Teams as well so far.

Lipstick Traces (on a Cigarette Alone) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 23:30 (two months ago) link

I am trying to get our office on teams instead of wechat + dropbox but it's blood out of a stone stuff and I don't have the energy to see it through

Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 23:33 (two months ago) link

My experience with Teams is that Microsoft developed in response to Slack to hand out to their enterprise Office 365 customers to stop them looking outside the garden. being an MS product they loaded it up with a lot of bloat linking it into the rest of the Office 365 ecosystem - and a bunch of stuff to work within a large enterprise. it seems like it is trying to push people do do all enterprise stuff within the Teams environment, which is actually quite good in a WFH and BYOD world but the UX really didn't work for me, very hard to navigate across different teams, workstreams etc. and I kept coming out of it to do not MS related tasks.

It's been over a year since I used it but the additional functionality seem to bog it down and the fact that Skype for Business is so terrible is a major failing.

Slack is good because it is lightweight and you have to consciously add the bloat in piece by piece, it's really focussed on the team chat thin - everywhere I have been that uses it well has almost eliminated internal email. It threads nicely (so pleased when the CEO of one of the orgs I'm working for finally worked out the thread button last night so not foolproof). The search seems better as well. Basically it is a chat app with a permanent record of everything discussed in the company, it threads and you can mute it/channels/people at will. Biggest challenge is getting people to get used to not using DMs or private channels unless strictly necessary. One of he big values seems to be using it as a very open environment. People can see what is going on in other work streams and involve themselves to the extent the want or need to. eg. I don't need to know what the site deployment team is up to even minute of the day, but if I want to know where something is up to in the construction process I can just dip into their channel and it's all there - site construction photos, discussions about delivery tines, delays etc. I can quickly read it and decide whether I even need to bother someone before doing it.

TBF though the google team chat that comes with google apps is just fine, like an even lighter slack, and it comes with the google apps ecosystem so there's a good argument for using that.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 23:39 (two months ago) link


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