Red Wine - A Poll

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These are the only options. Love it or leave it! #usa

Poll Results

OptionVotes
Pinot Noir 21
Cabernet 18
Malbec 10
Merlot 7
Syrah/Shiraz 5
Zinfandel 3
Petite Sirah 0


treeship., Thursday, 26 March 2020 23:21 (two months ago) link

For the past several years, Malbec.

I'll also drink the hell out of some Tempranillo

Paul Ponzi, Thursday, 26 March 2020 23:22 (two months ago) link

Voted malbec but this is lambrusco erasure.

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Thursday, 26 March 2020 23:32 (two months ago) link

Voting "All of the above".

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 26 March 2020 23:33 (two months ago) link

montepulciano

ole uncle tiktok (darraghmac), Thursday, 26 March 2020 23:35 (two months ago) link

I love pinot noir for its tart, crisp taste but I don’t think my wine palate is that refined.

treeship., Thursday, 26 March 2020 23:36 (two months ago) link

None of these as good as a sweet sherry, if we're being honest.

Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 26 March 2020 23:40 (two months ago) link

petite sirah is a real wild card you threw in there.

Yerac, Thursday, 26 March 2020 23:42 (two months ago) link

Pinot because anything more full-bodied tends to wallop me. Going off-list I would also take a Gamay.

Josefa, Thursday, 26 March 2020 23:43 (two months ago) link

> Cabernet

Franc? Sauvignon?

if indeed both, then this bin should take the prize.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 27 March 2020 00:24 (two months ago) link

valpolicella also do a job

ole uncle tiktok (darraghmac), Friday, 27 March 2020 00:25 (two months ago) link

barolo obv in the mix

ole uncle tiktok (darraghmac), Friday, 27 March 2020 00:34 (two months ago) link

I'd prefer not to, but if I did, pinot noir would be it.

coco vide (pomenitul), Friday, 27 March 2020 00:40 (two months ago) link

the old ILX truism that cheap Malbec pisses all other mid to higher priced varieties of plonk rarely lets me down, but tbh I don't even mind bad wine. I'm currently finishing off a so so 2016 cotes du rhone that in this case is overpriced bland piss imo, but still very enjoyable and I appreciate it very much. I do like a good (or bad) Rioja as well.

calzino, Friday, 27 March 2020 00:52 (two months ago) link

I love a Merlot or a Tempranillo as a rule but also I don't have a refined palate and I don't remember meeting a red I didn't like tbh

Let's kill the Queen and be legends (Noodle Vague), Friday, 27 March 2020 01:01 (two months ago) link

merlot can be lovely

i know nothing about wine but i know what i like etc

ole uncle tiktok (darraghmac), Friday, 27 March 2020 01:03 (two months ago) link

you like everything not on the list.

Yerac, Friday, 27 March 2020 01:09 (two months ago) link

im the same at restaurants, ppl never ask me again

ole uncle tiktok (darraghmac), Friday, 27 March 2020 01:17 (two months ago) link

I'd take a nice 100% grenache, Gigondas, or even a beaujolais if it were an option. Have never had a zin I cared for. Voting pinot

medicate for all (outdoor_miner), Friday, 27 March 2020 01:20 (two months ago) link

regions not varietals

call all destroyer, Friday, 27 March 2020 01:25 (two months ago) link

^^^ bingo.

coco vide (pomenitul), Friday, 27 March 2020 01:25 (two months ago) link

nah, doing varietals is easier. I would think I can guess what is going to win but there is always this silent majority lurker population in polls.

Yerac, Friday, 27 March 2020 01:27 (two months ago) link

Regions/Producers more important than grape.

I take Cru Beaujolais and Loire Cab Franc over these mostly (other than some pinot). Plus Barolo/Barbaresco/Brunello. Rioja. Lots of sangiovese wines kill. Rioja (again, because an aged Rioja is like the coolest vintage leather jacket).

Why, I would make a fantastic Nero! (PBKR), Friday, 27 March 2020 01:46 (two months ago) link

Cab sauv all the way.

Manitobiloba (Kim), Friday, 27 March 2020 03:25 (two months ago) link

regions not varietals

Most USA varietal-labeled red wines are in fact red blends anyway. They just use one predominant varietal in the blend. The move to appellations is very limited, but the wine-growers in those select places demanded such recognition, knowing it would only benefit them to use the European labeling system over the USA one.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 27 March 2020 03:31 (two months ago) link

Pinot Noir is one of the few reds I will drink, so that.

current (jed_), Friday, 27 March 2020 03:34 (two months ago) link

Most USA varietal-labeled red wines are in fact red blends anyway. They just use one predominant varietal in the blend. The move to appellations is very limited, but the wine-growers in those select places demanded such recognition, knowing it would only benefit them to use the European labeling system over the USA one.

― A is for (Aimless), Thursday, March 26, 2020 11:31 PM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

i know

call all destroyer, Friday, 27 March 2020 03:36 (two months ago) link

Me, I'm a cheap wine drinker from way back. I can't afford to drink excellent wine or to educate my taste in wine. Besides, having a well-educated taste for good wine would just ruin me for enjoying the cheap stuff and make me less happy with my life, because I still wouldn't be able to afford the good stuff. Lucky for me used paperback books contain all the same words as the nice hardbound editions so I can indulge my taste in books on the cheap.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 27 March 2020 04:00 (two months ago) link

Why do you hate Carignan, Cabernet Franc, Nebbiolo and Grenache?

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 27 March 2020 04:04 (two months ago) link

I like both kinds of wine, red and white.

nickn, Friday, 27 March 2020 04:16 (two months ago) link

"having a well-educated taste for good wine would just ruin me for enjoying the cheap stuff and make me less happy with my life"

^^^

lol, this

calzino, Friday, 27 March 2020 10:00 (two months ago) link

No rioja, no credibility.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 27 March 2020 10:06 (two months ago) link

Rioja that

calzino, Friday, 27 March 2020 10:19 (two months ago) link

I know a lot about wine and still enjoy the cheap stuff.

Aimless, wine folly is a very good site that does snappy, well illustrated educational bits about wine.

Yerac, Friday, 27 March 2020 11:51 (two months ago) link

I am wondering about treeship's USA hashtag in his poll.

Yerac, Friday, 27 March 2020 11:53 (two months ago) link

are these the main us native types maybe?

ole uncle tiktok (darraghmac), Friday, 27 March 2020 11:54 (two months ago) link

No, I think he was drunk.

Yerac, Friday, 27 March 2020 11:54 (two months ago) link

Gamay & Carignan

tomorrow, Friday, 27 March 2020 12:49 (two months ago) link

voting merlot as a sort of fuck-you to alexander payne

strangely hookworm but they manage ream shoegaze poetry (imago), Friday, 27 March 2020 12:53 (two months ago) link

even though the actual answer is probably malbec. but a merlot, at its sharpest, can be ideal

strangely hookworm but they manage ream shoegaze poetry (imago), Friday, 27 March 2020 12:57 (two months ago) link

this is lambrusco erasure

<3

mookieproof, Friday, 27 March 2020 13:39 (two months ago) link

I once brought a bottle of lambrusco over to someone's house (jostled and not quite cold enough to prevent it from exploding on opening). The explosion had never before in my life happened with lambrusco and of course it was at a friend's house all over her kitchen cabinets.

Yerac, Friday, 27 March 2020 13:43 (two months ago) link

Merlot would be my second pick, actually.

coco vide (pomenitul), Friday, 27 March 2020 13:45 (two months ago) link

With rioja and tempranillo missing I'll have to vote pinot noir here. Merlot wouldn't make my top three actually.

Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 27 March 2020 13:50 (two months ago) link

Of that lot,Cabernet. Of all red wine,Shiraz Viognier

the article don, Friday, 27 March 2020 14:00 (two months ago) link

Of that lot,Cabernet. Of all red wine,Shiraz Viognier

the article don, Friday, 27 March 2020 14:00 (two months ago) link

Of that lot,Cabernet. Of all red wine,Shiraz Viognier

the article don, Friday, 27 March 2020 14:01 (two months ago) link

Shiraz

the article don, Friday, 27 March 2020 14:01 (two months ago) link

Oops bloody delay/ spellcheck

the article don, Friday, 27 March 2020 14:01 (two months ago) link

Drinking really good wine doesn't actually ruin cheap wine at all unless you start slipping below the £5 mark because even cheapish red wine can be great.

Matt DC, Friday, 27 March 2020 14:08 (two months ago) link

Carignan was one of the components they used to use in the 1970s era Gallo "Hearty Burgundy" jug wine (which was always on my family's dinner table) - there was no actual burgundy/Pinot Noir in it back then, though there is now apparently. Carignan in varietal form can be had cheaply so if more people try it it could become a popular favorite.

Josefa, Friday, 27 March 2020 14:48 (two months ago) link

it's pretty popular where I am in (chile). there is a lot of old vine carignan and the natural wine makers are trying to make it a thing. you can get a lot of affordable bottles from the Languedoc-Roussillon too.

Yerac, Friday, 27 March 2020 14:52 (two months ago) link

of that list above, I would be happiest drinking pinot noir every day because of my own preferences but there is a lot of bad/overpriced pinot noir these days because of the popularity. I think syrah is still underrated and kind of hits the sweet spots for me, not too rigid or full, more savory/gamey, still find amazing bottles for great prices. Not a huge fan of shiraz, sometimes too green or alcoholic.

Yerac, Friday, 27 March 2020 15:01 (two months ago) link

I voted pinot noir but not on balance. I only like the mid to upper tier stuff (de Bourgogne, of course).

coco vide (pomenitul), Friday, 27 March 2020 15:03 (two months ago) link

oh thanks for that wine folly tip Yerac, bookmarked for future liberty

Let's kill the Queen and be legends (Noodle Vague), Friday, 27 March 2020 15:04 (two months ago) link

I only really drink malbec and rioja/tempranillo

ogmor, Friday, 27 March 2020 15:09 (two months ago) link

Rioja works in pretty much any context imo.

Matt DC, Friday, 27 March 2020 15:11 (two months ago) link

yeah, except for the "with coke" thing

Let's kill the Queen and be legends (Noodle Vague), Friday, 27 March 2020 15:12 (two months ago) link

rioja was the wine that first got me really into wine.

Yerac, Friday, 27 March 2020 15:13 (two months ago) link

Aimless, wine folly is a very good site that does snappy, well illustrated educational bits about wine.

Does this site give free samples?

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 27 March 2020 15:42 (two months ago) link

wanna vote Southern French Mixture

fetter, Friday, 27 March 2020 15:55 (two months ago) link

Voted Syrah. Of the omissions I probably drink Gamay and Grenache most often, and would come closest to voting Nebbiolo (would still go Syrah). PN can obviously be really special, but the relative bargains are few and far between. I would find a corresponding white wine poll easier I think, despite the fact I drink a wider variety of white and drink it more frequently.

crisp, Friday, 27 March 2020 16:43 (two months ago) link

Just opened a Carignan with, I assume, strong notes of the dettol I sprayed the bottle with

felt jute gyte delete later (wins), Friday, 27 March 2020 16:45 (two months ago) link


> Cabernet

Franc? Sauvignon?

if indeed both, then this bin should take the prize.

― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, March 26, 2020 8:24 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

i didn't know these were different grapes. i just know that sometimes i've been served wine described as "a cab" and it's always alright, never mindblowing.

i bought a malbec for tonight. honestly, the varieties of wine is really intimidating. especially because some varieties describe actual grapes, and others are for regions. like there is no "chianti" grape.

treeship., Friday, 27 March 2020 20:42 (two months ago) link

one person who knew a lot about this topic was nakchivan. i miss that guy. i feel like i annoyed him with too many messages back in the day.

treeship., Friday, 27 March 2020 20:43 (two months ago) link

a simple explanation is that generally the old world (italy, france, spain, etc.) label their wines according to regional name because it was more important that the wine be a consistent expression of the terroir (~a cultural microcimate). But they have very strict rules about what can be labeled champagne or barolo (must be certain grape varieties grown and vinified a specific way).

Generally new world (the americas, australia, new zealand) label their wines according to the grape variety or 'brand', like Yellowtail. They also have regulations about how grapes are grown and wine produced but it's not generally as strict or to keep the style of wine the same.

Yerac, Friday, 27 March 2020 20:51 (two months ago) link

and there are pros and cons with both of these types of labeling and regulations.

Yerac, Friday, 27 March 2020 20:51 (two months ago) link

that was really helpful, thank you!

treeship., Friday, 27 March 2020 20:52 (two months ago) link

http://www.lafite.com/en/the-domaines/bodegas-caro/the-wines/aruma/

this is what i'm planning on drinking tonight when i cook vegan pizza for my partner.

treeship., Friday, 27 March 2020 20:54 (two months ago) link

is it true that you can "taste" the "terroir" in the wine? anyone here have a palate where they can really distinguish it?

treeship., Friday, 27 March 2020 20:55 (two months ago) link

also for example there were wine makers in tuscany that didn't want to grow/use sangiovese (the grape of chianti) so they grew other stuff (cab sav, merlot) in the delimited area of chianti. They couldn't label it chianti because of the rules but developed their own brands that became super well known (these are called super tuscans).

Yerac, Friday, 27 March 2020 20:56 (two months ago) link

that is cool. so chianti is essentially sangiovese, most of the time. (i know sometimes there are other things blended in).

treeship., Friday, 27 March 2020 20:58 (two months ago) link

I can but i've had a lot of practice/study. you can usually get salinity, sea bream, a lot of minerality in chablis, muscadet etc.

Yerac, Friday, 27 March 2020 20:59 (two months ago) link

yeah, there is chianti and also chianti classico (which was the original delimited area) and within those are also named communed. And there are rules of the minimum percentage of sangiovese for it to meet the standards for labeling.

Yerac, Friday, 27 March 2020 21:00 (two months ago) link

communed = communes ugh.

Yerac, Friday, 27 March 2020 21:01 (two months ago) link

I can but i've had a lot of practice/study.

Countless anglo experts have decreed that wine tasting is bunk so I don't believe you.

Not being serious btw, but I'm sure you've seen these kinds of articles floating around:

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2013/jun/23/wine-tasting-junk-science-analysis

coco vide (pomenitul), Friday, 27 March 2020 21:03 (two months ago) link

oh yeah. i totally get it. that article is more about using subjective opinion/feelings that day to judge contests?

I am talking about knowing how wine produced in specific regions, what the soil is like, what are the viticultural practices, what are the government regulations and then historically what are the benchmarks of wine from that region. I do blind taste wine, but I try to be objective in my descriptions (there are established methodologies that go over visual, nose, taste/structure) that should lead you to the right conclusion of grape variety, region and approximate age and quality.

Yerac, Friday, 27 March 2020 21:07 (two months ago) link

even if it's impossible to taste the earth and climate of a faraway region in wine, i still like the idea that people believe in it. it's beautiful.

treeship., Friday, 27 March 2020 21:14 (two months ago) link

treeship, you should watch Somm. You might like it.

Yerac, Friday, 27 March 2020 21:15 (two months ago) link

my ex was very, very into wine (to the point of knowing specific regions, years, etc.), and his choices were consistently much better/more interesting than anything I picked out for myself, and I don't think it was just confirmation bias. unfortunately I didn't end up retaining any of that knowledge

but then my wine opinions are really not to be trusted because all I have wanted to drink for the past few weeks is prosecco

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Friday, 27 March 2020 21:23 (two months ago) link

wine is a lot like music. everyone has preferences. There are certain musicians you trust because they consistently put out good products. They have good years and bad years. If you like REM may I also recommend these other artists.

I think everyone should drink what they like. or what they feel like that day (because it's always changing). I don't prefer big juicy Napa cab savs even though they are super lux. It's just too much for me and i don't often eat red or fatty meat so all that tannin is just sticking to my teeth. But if someone tells me what they usually like to eat and the style of wine that they have memories of liking I can usually pick out something that is new/different and that they will like.

Yerac, Friday, 27 March 2020 21:36 (two months ago) link

one month passes...

ok so zinfandel can actually be really good. i also had a cabernet sauvignon that was super good.

treeship., Monday, 4 May 2020 22:00 (three weeks ago) link

To be conspicuously contrarian, Salice Salentino or Tempranillo. But my everyday table wine is a California Cabernet.

Life is a banquet and my invitation was lost in the mail (j.lu), Monday, 4 May 2020 22:30 (three weeks ago) link

montepulciano

― ole uncle tiktok (darraghmac), Thursday, March 26, 2020 6:35 PM (one month ago) bookmarkflaglink

otm. cabernet of the available options, tho.

sleight return (voodoo chili), Monday, 4 May 2020 23:17 (three weeks ago) link

Pinot noir of the ones listed.

Gamay

COVID and the Gang (jim in vancouver), Monday, 4 May 2020 23:22 (three weeks ago) link

merlot can be lovely

i know nothing about wine but i know what i like etc

Yes. This thread is making me want to drink red wine and I've resolved not to drink any alcohol during the lockdown >:(

Angry Question Time Man's Flute Club Band (Tom D.), Tuesday, 5 May 2020 00:09 (three weeks ago) link

Cool-climate Syrah hive over here, the kind that tastes like black olives more than berries.

... (Eazy), Tuesday, 5 May 2020 00:18 (three weeks ago) link

I’ve been ‘policella-ing it up a lot lately and I find there’s a lot to like there. But, as my wife likes to say, who am I kidding, I’d drink it strained through a dirty sock.

The little engine that choogled (hardcore dilettante), Tuesday, 5 May 2020 01:10 (three weeks ago) link

eazy, can you recommend a specific syrah that i should try? that sounds amazing. money is no object as long as it's under $20

treeship., Tuesday, 5 May 2020 18:35 (three weeks ago) link

Yeah, the "olives" description is intriguing.

nickn, Tuesday, 5 May 2020 20:54 (three weeks ago) link

Having put an incredible amount of research into this, this is the best sub-£5 wine I can find in the UK:

Waitrose Mellow and Fruity, Garnacha

I need to explore more Garnacha at different price points.

djh, Tuesday, 5 May 2020 22:00 (three weeks ago) link

I’ve moved into the spring & summer feeling of rosé and whites primarily. What are the reds that enjoy being served chilled for a more carefree imbibing?

Virginia Plain, Wednesday, 6 May 2020 07:05 (three weeks ago) link

I’ve moved into the spring & summer feeling of rosé and whites primarily. What are the reds that enjoy being served chilled for a more carefree imbibing?

Virginia Plain, Wednesday, 6 May 2020 07:06 (three weeks ago) link

italian

megan thee macallan 18 year (||||||||), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 07:26 (three weeks ago) link

I imbibe some lightly chilled Pinot Noir or Beaujolais on occasion

Number None, Wednesday, 6 May 2020 07:59 (three weeks ago) link

Basically fruity and less tannic reds are usually decent chilled. I love a chilled gamay or pinot noir

COVID and the Gang (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 12:16 (three weeks ago) link

Gamay (i.e. Beaujolais).

He Ain't Heavy D, He's My Brother (PBKR), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 12:23 (three weeks ago) link

I've been drinking Oregon and Loire Valley Gamay mainly of late

COVID and the Gang (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 16:52 (three weeks ago) link

I've also drank Ontario gamay now that I think of it. I was at a wedding in Prince Edward County a couple of summers back and had a Gamay from a nearby Vineyard.

COVID and the Gang (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 18:00 (three weeks ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Tuesday, 19 May 2020 00:01 (one week ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 00:01 (one week ago) link

eazy, can you recommend a specific syrah that i should try? that sounds amazing. money is no object as long as it's under $20

Missed this earlier...Main thing would be to look for cooler regions if you're in a shop: Sonoma Coast (US), Northern Rhone (St. Joseph, Crozes-Hermitage, Cornas). Prices can be higher, but they aren't always big sellers and get put on sale/clearance.

For a special treat (closer to $30-40), Pax and Failla's Sonoma Coast syrahs would be good ones. Cline makes one around $15 retail. In France, Jean-Louis Chave "Offerus" St.-Joseph is around $30, though I tried it after finding it on sale for half that. This article talks about Chile's cool-climate Syrahs -- haven't tried any, but those could be worth trying.

If there's a bigger wine store in your area, sometimes on their website you can type a descriptor into the search box (olive, bacon, pepper) and matching wines will come up.

... (Eazy), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 14:44 (one week ago) link


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