By Hera! Come anticipate WONDER WOMAN 1984 with me!

New thread, new trailer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XW2E2Fnh52w

I ... kinda don't like Chris Pine being back? The action sequences look meh? Swinging from lightning bolt to lightning bolt was cool, though.

I know I always say these things look like shit but this really looks exceptionally like shit

Looks like it missed its release date by 36 years.

Swinging from lightning bolt to lightning bolt was cool, though.

Is... she trying to force the lightning bolts to tell the truth?

I know I always say these things look like shit but this really looks exceptionally like shit

C'mon there were three shots (plus a reverse) in that trailer which weren't on CGI backgrounds, those looked okay

I was pumped for this when they used Blue Monday in the first trailer. I think it shaped my experience more heavily than I realized. Without it, and WITH revealed Cheetah cgi, I'm only mildly enthused.

is this about Wonder Woman killing Reagan

The action sequences look meh?

how do you even judge this from a trailer

lol at supervillain kristen wiig though

it's ILX, movies are regularly relegated to the "detritus" bin within mere moments of conception

oh i'm not caping for it, i haven't watched any of these movies since gritty superman, i just have no idea how one judges a film's action sequences to be meh based on like 25 total seconds of footage

The first movie was fun for the first hour or so, then gloomy Snyder-level CGI garbage for the last third. This trailer suggests a similar arc, but hopefully not.

brb, creating a new I Love Being Dour About Movies board

Just saying I would totally be there for a Wonder Tot movie at this point.

Wait, how are they going to explain Pine is still in it/alive/not a jillion years old.

it would certainly be unprecedented for a superhero movie audience to accept that a military bloke could get placed in stasis and revived decades later

(or that someone would time travel or come back from the dead)

Here's me not thinking in comic book form, tch.

hey, I said "movie" right in my post

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So...

https://io9.gizmodo.com/wonder-woman-1984-coming-to-hbo-max-and-theaters-dece-1845710702

(I have to wonder if this is what's going to finally cause the HBO Max/Roku cold war to get resolved, especially since the one with Amazon was finally settled.)

I hope so!

https://deadline.com/2020/11/roku-cf-steve-louden-no-update-hbo-max-streaming-deals-1234617285/

Dumb to day-and-date with the subscription service (except that / also dumb that thousands and thousands of creative-side jobs have been cut at dozens of AT&T-owned companies unrelated to streaming, in response to the failure of the subscription service), dumb to not make it a digital rental instead of a subscription if you're day-and-dating, dumb to make the call right when it's becoming apparent that cinemas are likely to be closed in most American states and many European countries on that date, even dumber if they don't do a cinema re-release if cinemas still exist in vaccine times.

Looking forward to watching it

I liked the first movie a lot — except when they traveled thousands of miles overnight in a boat, and Steve Mnuchin’s name in the credits.

as a hbomax subscriber i selfishly salute this decision

who wins? ME :D

lol

I am become @OlanRogers apparently pic.twitter.com/2wVXvrWlMt

— ben mekler (@benmekler) December 6, 2020

https://www.cbr.com/gal-gadot-patty-jenkins-10-million-praise-hbo-max-deal/

"Wonder Woman 1984 isn’t just bad for a superhero film, it’s an outright travesty. my latest review for Vulture"

https://www.vulture.com/article/wonder-woman-1984-review-an-empty-spectacle.html

"i haven’t been this disappointed in a film in a while. Wonder Woman 1984 made me depressed about Hollywood film and it’s future. don’t audiences deserve better? superhero films and the corporations that spawn them have trained audiences to believe that plot matters above all else. dear god."

So, uh, anyone wondered yet? (We're getting around to it here if not necessarily today.)

We haven't seen it yet, family not that interested. Honestly, the first one was considered something of an anomaly, wasn't it? A DC movie that wasn't grim and/or totally shitty? Hence that excerpted Vulture line seems a little disingenuous, because the vast majority of the Marvel movies *have* been really solid and entertaining, with one or two dips, basically the opposite of the DC movies. So if you begin with the apparent desire for superhero movies at all and then ask "don't audiences deserve better" the answer is "yes," and those movies exist. But if the question is more specifically "don't audiences deserve a better Wonder Woman sequel?" the answer is "no, why should they?"

"superhero films and the corporations that spawn them have trained audiences to believe that plot matters above all else. dear god."

― huge rant (sic), Wednesday, December 16, 2020 1:15 AM (one week ago) bookmarkflaglink

nerds deserve some blame here

batman v superman is imo the best dc movie though so i cannot map my perspective onto the critic's

But Brad, rock history

Here’s is a screen shot of the new Wonder Woman movie, which is set in 1984. I hope someone got fired for this. pic.twitter.com/5lKJNg0sPh

— The Ⓐtomic Ⓔlbow (@atomic_elbow) December 25, 2020

I have HBO Max so will be watchin it later

I hope someone got fired for this.

May the person who wrote this become a better person in the future. They have some catching up to do.

Did those albums come out later or something?

(Whoever here watches this first, pls. let me know how “kid-friendly” it is... thx)

Age of Quarrel was 1986

Someone definitely needs to be fired from the set of this movie that wrapped long ago! (If there’s a Repo Man reference, all will be forgiven)

yeah, it's a shocking mistake from an industry that up until now, had never seen an anachronism

Not the most egregious DC punk timeline error in the film.

Does Good Charlotte show up as the villains

Still watching, maybe if the climactic battle takes place in Waldorf.

At least they didn’t depict the One Last Wish 1986 album

let's get outraged at a random tweeter for making a joke by pretending to be outraged

batman v superman is imo the best dc movie though

here is a complete ranking of all the good DC movies:

1) Batman Returns
2) Teen Titans Go! To The Movies
3) The Lego Batman Movie
4) Batman (1966)
5) Batman: Mask Of The Phantasm (probably)

it's possible that A History Of Violence is okay too

Teen Titans Go to the Movies was amazing

I think we’re joining in the fun, sic

She's obsessed over the same man from 30 years ago

66 years ago!


(there really is a post-credits fight sequence in Ghost World btw)

oh wow I never knew that

So what are we supposed to understand that his kid lost when he wished for dad's greatness?

And for that matter, where was the kid's other parent? It seemed like the kid just .... repeatedly made his way alone to Lord's office?

I believe the Fresh Prince of Bel Air theme addresses that

This movie is just such a random jumble of mess. It's hard to take it apart since it's barely held together in the first place. It's like talking about a pile of bricks.

Do we really need to see the kid's mom to understand that she dropped him off at the office when it was Lord's parenting time?

And... the kid lost his father when he wished for his father's greatness. Rather obviously, I thought.

We don't need to see the kid at all. Or Chris Pine. Or Kristin Wiig. Cut them all out, changes nothing but, perhaps, the stupid resolution.

xp but that had clearly already happened! although i guess as i think it through, i can see it -- of course his father was metaphorically/emotionally absent already, but if his father's actual being was replaced by the spirit inhabiting the stone, then Max-Lord-the-person was REALLY gone, not just emotionally checked out.

I do think the conceit is not thought through -- like, the question of who GETS the thing that is lost, and how, is very underspecified.

If we're talking about more stupid bullshit, the biggest consideration would be why mom, in the midst of an escalating global meltdown and the accelerating collapse of civilization, of which her ex and the father of her child is the mysteriously ubiquitous epicenter, would be all, oh well, I guess it's dad's weekend again.

Lord's son was about to wish that they could be together and Lord cut him off, saying not to wish for things they already had. After the kid wished for his dad's greatness, Lord buggered off and didn't give two shits about his kid until WW reminded him of the power of love, at which point he renounced his wish.

Also, the initial interaction they have before Lord gets the stone does not show a father-son relationship where the father is emotionally or metaphorically absent. Things are tenuous after Lord turns himself into the stone but they don't completely fall apart until his son makes that wish.

I think the conceit is that, as the embodiment of the wishing stone, Lord gets to take what he wants if he decides to do so; otherwise, the wisher just loses something to balance the scales and Lord doesn't gain anything specifically. Even Barbara's transformation is covered by that because all Lord needs to do is say "In return for granting wish x, I want to make this woman look like an extra from the Cats movie" and poof, CGI nonsense.

The global meltdown doesn't happen until after the kid wishes for Lord's greatness and Lord's connection to it is not mainstream knowledge at any point of the movie until he beams himself into every television in the world, so what basis would the mother have to invite legal repercussions upon herself by violating the custody agreement?

lol i didn't realize Maxwell Lord was in this. is he a presence in the JLA movie too?

Another thing I don't get is, does Superman not exist in 1984? Wouldn't he be flying around trying to do something about the impending nuclear apocalypse?

I did yell "WHERE IS SUPERMAN" several times at the television

Even assuming he's a kid still hiding his powers, you'd at least expect Batman to pop up somewhere

The global meltdown doesn't happen until after the kid wishes for Lord's greatness and Lord's connection to it is not mainstream knowledge at any point of the movie until he beams himself into every television in the world, so what basis would the mother have to invite legal repercussions upon herself by violating the custody agreement?

I just looked, and the final time the kid is dropped off with his dad (who is bleeding from the ears) people are literally rioting in the streets outside the office. It's around 90 minutes in. If he was dropped off, then his mom literally had to push through looters and lunatics and burning piles of stuff to get there. And then the very next scene is Max getting into his car, and the crowds being so thick with crazies (there for him, because he and his company is totally mainstream knowledge) that he has to have the driver wish they would part out of the way to get to the White House faster.

This movie is so stupid and bad.

I liked the final Cheetah look, but all the action/plot quibbles mentioned already, plus the escalator gag in the mall robbery and the preface of young Diana learning The Power of Truth had me grimacing. Thankfully, free with HBO/Comcast, so no buyer's remorse.

I did yell "WHERE IS SUPERMAN" several times at the television

xp to alpaca:

Thankfully, free with HBO/Comcast, so no buyer's remorse.

Julia Alexander expounded on this point recently:

Consumers are far less forgiving in a theatrical setting. On streaming services, however, that form of experimentation and possible lesser quality isn’t an automatic dealbreaker. Even if a movie is bad, the library should make up for the monthly price tag. Consistency and new titles are exciting, but the library retains subscribers.

The Mandalorian on Disney+ is part of the offering, but it’s not the whole product. Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker is the entire product people are paying for in theaters. When Rey learns she’s Palpatine’s granddaughter in The Rise of Skywalker and people audibly groan, that’s a feeling of an $80 loss. When Luke Skywalker appears for one minute in The Mandalorian’s second season finale, it’s an eye-roll for some, but people are unlikely to stop subscribing to Disney+ — especially since The Mandalorian is almost universally praised for just about everything else. But The Rise of Skywalker and Solo may make some audiences more wary to go see the next Star Wars movie in theaters instead of waiting to watch it at home. (I use “may” because this is still Star Wars and, even though The Rise of Skywalker didn’t hit analyst expectations, it still passed $1 billion.)

https://musingsonmouse.substack.com/p/star-wars-nostalgia-fatigue-and-marvels

Solo is basically the only good Star Wars movie made post-1983

FP

lol well there goes a lot of diligent avoidance of Rise of the Skywalkers spoilers so I could go into the movie with a semi-open mind

forks did you a favor there tbh

Washington DC geography nitpicking: After Diana and Steve leave the White House (1600 Pennsylvania Ave. NW), why do they go to the Navy Memorial (700-900 Pennsylvania Ave.) to witness the riot and for Diana to renounce her wish? If they're on their way to Diana's apartment, they've gone in the wrong direction. Pennsylvania Ave. at that time was open to traffic and was a regular destination for protesters.

(Presumably the contemporary powers that be wouldn't allow the production to film in front of the White House.)

Otherwise I'm quite amused at the production's attention to the details of a bygone DC. Pity the reconstructed Commander Salamander (across the street from the historic storefront!) couldn't have reopened for a promo popup.

Another thing I don't get is, does Superman not exist in 1984? Wouldn't he be flying around trying to do something about the impending nuclear apocalypse?

Assuming WW84 is canonically continuous with Man of Steel and Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, how old would Clark Kent and Bruce Wayne have been in 1984?

Do those movies even have years attached to them?

I thought Affleck was playing older than his actual age, given the artificially-greyed hair, so he would have been near the beginning of his bat career

forgot which thing mentioned it but he probably wished for his parents to be alive and then lost 'em all over again

lmao I would have liked to have seen that

It would have been like that sequence in Teen Titans Go! To The Movies

ha, yes!

Best superhero movie, that

there goes a lot of diligent avoidance of Rise of the Skywalkers spoilers

“people audibly groan” / “an eye-roll for some” doing a lot of work in that... amusing analysis. Guess she’s not a Star Wars fan!

she's been an entertainment reporter for The Verge and Polygon for the past five years with a specialty focus on Disney; i daresay she's watched and knows more about star wars than you or i do!

I’ve only read the paragraphs you quoted but they don’t seem to make sense (the jibes at SW aside). Disney is investing hugely in new content for D+ specifically because “the library” alone doesn’t retain members. The library is thin... if you’ve had D+ for a year and have kids, you’ve seen it all already!

you know who really has that D+? Steve Trevor, amirite

Steve Trevor's hapless 80s avatar, you mean

so like if he took over someone else's body, were they just along for the ride, with no body autonomy?

if so, I guess the only enjoyable parts were sexxin' with Wonder Woman, the rest abject terror.

lmao I would also watch that movie

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH oh hey sexy time AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

Seriously. Body swap victim dude probably woke up with some really impressive bruises.

"I had this really weird dream where I was getting the shit kicked out of me by... Rumpleteaser?"

Steve Trevor's hapless 80s avatar, you mean

I didn't even make it to Trevor getting mentioned, but if she's still pining for the D after one ride on it 70 years ago...

Hey, come on, D+.

It's D+ now

I see some factions have started to insinuate people who don't like the movie are sexist.

― Looking for Cape Penis house (Neanderthal), Sunday, January 3, 2021

saddest stans

lol i didn't realize Maxwell Lord was in this. is he a presence in the JLA movie too?

― the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Monday, January 4, 2021

nah they use his name for no obvious reason and burn him to the ground in this one

Solo is basically the only good Star Wars movie made post-1983

― thousand-yard spiral stairs (f. hazel), Monday, January 4, 2021

won't FP bc i'm sure you meant Rogue One

I’ve only read the paragraphs you quoted but they don’t seem to make sense (the jibes at SW aside). Disney is investing hugely in new content for D+ specifically because “the library” alone doesn’t retain members. The library is thin... if you’ve had D+ for a year and have kids, you’ve seen it all already!