Con Air vs The Rock vs Face/Off

Had to wiki the plot of face/off, i remember mainly facial expressions and music cues

i could eat a peach for hours

the rock is a masterpiece

Con Air in second but even it only has a couple of quips in the league of “Do you like Elton John?”

The Rock and Bad Boys head to head for ‘90s action supremacy.

objectively poor

FP'd

kinda masterpieces

I tried to triangulate the complexity of this not-trilogy tbf

wiki the plot of face/off

imagine thinking the plot of face-off was relevant to anything, let alone to the movie face/off

FP'd myself for typo

As a kid, it used to bother me so much how Face/Off makes you hate Travolta for most of the movie (and he makes a concincing bad guy) but then at the end he gets the happy ending

Youre just kitpicking now imo, i never claimed the plot was relevant (it is a cracking read tho, gets the lunacy down while maintaining a dry tone) xp

I was thinking of the pointlessness of a wiki entry for it mainly

screen should just show you a bunch of doves flying out of an exploding peach

for hours

Yew wash yuhr fuhckin mawth

Hallelujah face

Vote face/off btw, tho the rock holds together better overall this is not about competence imo its about the power with which the movie hits its high notes and the sublimity of the grace notes

This is Con Air and it's not very close

The Rock by a mile. Also Passenger 57 craps on both the other two.

No spoilers

The Rock

haven't seen Con Air but i found The Rock way more watchable than Face/Off, even though the latter is wayyyyyy more interesting as this big-budget dive into John Woo's movie-making psyche, and has more fun shit like the magnet prison and faces coming off. unfortunately even if i'm in the mood for its overlong picaresque storytelling, i just can't imagine wanting to sit through the incredibly creepy and unsettling stuff when Cage-as-Travolta goes home to Travolta's house and Joan Allen as Travolta's wife. so fucking icky, not a good-time action movie thing at all for me.

Con Air is such shit. With Buscemi as a barely believable serial killer and Dave Chappelle an inmate that dies hijacking a plane

Lol @ Passenger 57. That movie blew

Con Air is such shit. With Buscemi as a barely believable serial killer and Dave Chappelle an inmate that dies hijacking a plane

second sentence contradicting your first there

Lol

as far as american john woo action movies go m:i2 >> face/off

i'd probably vote for the rock here but it's also five hours long. i've only seen con air once during driving school (?) but i remember it being gloriously dumb

Cant agree with you on mi2, all the flaws of face off and cage/travolta swapped out for midrange cruise and poundshop gerard butler

Con Air. Face/Off outraged me with geographic stupidity and that is all I can remember about it.

Checked out the wife/terrorist stuff in the plot again re face off and it says its fiction with actors, idk

Anyway the stuff with dead kid/live kid and sexy 15 yr old domjnique swain merit at least as much a mention imo

Cant agree with you on mi2, all the flaws of face off and cage/travolta swapped out for midrange cruise and poundshop gerard butler

― spruce springclean (darraghmac), Friday, January 1, 2021 8:54 AM (three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

deems i implore you to spend more time with the movie where two motorcycles fuck in the air and explode

My cherished brad i saw it twice in the cinema i owe it nothing i merely suggest that it hasnt high points nor low points such that id say it was a cut above F/O

It hasnt a single line comes near travoltas selfpwn re chin

Gosh. I think The Rock is the only one of these I've seen more than once and the only one I'd watch again, even if I'm not sure I'd make it through. Definitely one of the most ridiculous car chases of all time, iirc. Con Air, pretty sure that is one of the few movies I've ever walked out of. I'm trying to recall what did it, and I want to say it was the movie leaving a little girl with Steve Buscemi (the child molester) as a sort of plot point? And this is a movie which *starts out* with Cage being sentenced to prison for being a human lethal weapon or something. I thought the movie was just too dumb and silly and slick to make multiple really ugly rape jokes. Trejo got one too, iirc. "They call me Johnny 50 because I've raped 50 women, after you I'll be Johnny 51" or whatever. Barf.

Having watched all 3 recently its The Rock

hated the rock although i don’t remember why

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This is Con Air and it's not very close

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The Criterion Collection should do a box set of every Michael Bay movie. (Voted for The Rock.)

this would be the rock of they had cast ronnie barker instead of connery. but it's Face/Off as the overall lunacy matches the cage lunacy

John Woo is literally the worst director

as long as QT still lives that is not possible

Not sure how often this occurred in the Cage filmography but Con Air is notable for Cage being the straight man to basically absolutely everything and everyone else in this film

I think thats more true of the rock tbh

it's kind of remarkable how bonkers these movies are in spite of that

voted the rock slightly over con air

John Woo is literally the worst director

― cerebral halsey (rip van wanko), Friday, January 1, 2021 5:26 PM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

how dare you

this is what it sounds like

When doves die

Woo's best American film is Hard Target, this is canon

Con Air has the greatest cast ever assembled and the only way it could maybe have been improved is if Verhoeven had directed it, just to put the icing on its homage and piss take of the action movie genre. Also he'd probably have destroyed more of Vegas.

100% agree on hard target, lots to love in that movie. mullet, soundtrack, wilford's accent, lance h.

broken arrow was a slog but HT and face off should be in the retrospective alongside a better tomorrow and bullet in the head and hard boiled etc.

the michael bay movies are good but they're not stupid enough. the reason bad boys 2 is his best movie is that exuberant spanielish stupidity tempering and enhancing the nihilistic focus group cynicism that animates his work otherwise.

100% agree on hard target, lots to love in that movie. mullet, soundtrack, wilford's accent, lance h.

And this!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tRFFMiD5AI

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I want to take his face.....off.

i should rewatch The Rock. am i right that it has a big expensive San Francisco car chase AND a Temple of Doom style mine-cart chase?

Never seen The Rock. Give us a vaccine, nationalise cinemas and run free action movies in all multiplexes for a year.

It's good though I'm surprised it won so easily.

Same. I dont rly see much difference in rating across the three tbh

Right, I‘ve never seen The Rock, so I‘m going to give it a go. Face/Off is one of my favourite OTT 90s action films and I would have voted for it in a heartbeat if I‘d seen this poll before.

Easily The Rock for me. I am there for the nonsense, explosions, Cage, fun chatter (Clement and La Frenais?) etc but I truly love Ed Harris off sideways in a stern tragedy of military honour vs the state & mercenary interests.

(Clement and La Frenais?)

ooh

I am there for the nonsense, explosions, Cage, fun chatter (Clement and La Frenais?) etc but I truly love Ed Harris off sideways in a stern tragedy of military honour vs the state & mercenary interests

Exactly. Harris is in a completely different movie from everyone else, and seems to have 100% internalized the idea that the villain believes himself to be the hero. He's one of my favorite actors.

Its a great role for him in context, its not like his internalised intensity is any less than cages burst variety, Connery's always-smoulder is background hum

This poll made me watch The Rock. I don't know what 15 of you are smoking, but you've clearly list your... marbles. Anyway, Face/Off is by far the best film on this list.

Exactly the pitch and passion of take that is correct for this madhouse poll, ty

Today i think its the rock

Just remembered broken arrow but christian slater is no nic cage

The marbles aren't nuclear, they're full of poison gas.

Paying too much attn imo

all 3 are A+