i've rewatched the first three M:I movies this week and even the women they introduce as bad-asses don't really get to do very much action-wise.
rebecca ferguson has done mighty fine work fixing this in the last couple
― intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Wednesday, 23 June 2021 15:18 (two years ago) link
i thought MI3 was pretty solid. at least it feels more in line with the later MI movies than the first two, which if you watch them now feel like they were made in the middle ages
― na (NA), Wednesday, 23 June 2021 15:20 (two years ago) link
(though they're fun in their own way)
I rewatched the first one recently, the script is not great but it has a lot of top tier de Palma touches that are hard not to love
― intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Wednesday, 23 June 2021 15:22 (two years ago) link
the three big action sequences in the first one all hold up well
― na (NA), Wednesday, 23 June 2021 15:26 (two years ago) link
the first one is great, it's so quiet
the cross-cutting during the revelatory dialogue between cruise and jon voight is one of my favorite things that's ever happened in a film
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 23 June 2021 15:31 (two years ago) link
it was the first spy film i ever saw that felt like a spy film i.e. not at all as loud and obvious as any given james bond film
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 23 June 2021 15:32 (two years ago) link
I can never tell if jon voight is bored out of his fucking mind or just trying to be low key but it works for the movie
― intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Wednesday, 23 June 2021 15:36 (two years ago) link
great casting between these two franchises btw, aside from billy crudup in mi3
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 23 June 2021 15:38 (two years ago) link
yea i recently rewatched MI1 for the first time since it came out and i really liked it but was amazed at how antiquated it felt, definitely feels like something from another era
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 23 June 2021 15:40 (two years ago) link
I have still not seen m:i2 but it's one of those movies where most of the disses make it sound awesome
― intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Wednesday, 23 June 2021 15:42 (two years ago) link
I feel like when the writers' room assembles for an F&F movie, any idea that doesn't generate an "Oh, COME ON" gets rejected.
I'm kinda leaning toward F&F because one of the reasons it's been so successful IMO isn't just the ludicrousness (or the Ludacris-ness), but also the fact that so many of its leads are nonwhite people. The M:I series, as fun as it is, still holds onto that "white people run the world" spy-movie worldview.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 23 June 2021 15:43 (two years ago) link
yeah that's true (despite ving rhames being the only actor to be in all the MI movies aside from tom cruise). i think one factor in the lack of representation in MI is that they aren't really as ensemble-y as F&F - cruise usually has a team but he's the star and doing most of the action. diesel, despite his high self-esteem, is better at sharing the spotlight, and him not really being in two of the movies made him less the de-facto star of the series.
― na (NA), Wednesday, 23 June 2021 16:42 (two years ago) link
I agree with everything so far itt, tho ive never seen anything beyond F&F1 the trailers do the job.
MI is clear by some distance, and 3 is the worst because it absolutely clumps and rarely charms.
The first is a mid 90s thriller masterpiece and Ghost Protocol is in the top 5 action movies of the decade imo
2 is only bad because its an MI movie when it is in all other ways a nic cage ghost rider movie
― Eschew things thirty two times before swallowing them (darraghmac), Wednesday, 23 June 2021 16:49 (two years ago) link
on a rewatch of MI2 last year i had a hard time making it all the way through tbh, partly bc of how shitty it looked & was edited. seems like it falls right square in that cursed era when CGI became ubiquitous but still looked really cheap & terrible, plus the slo mo didnt help
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 23 June 2021 17:16 (two years ago) link
fallout >> ghost protocol by a fair bit imho but we may have done this argument already
― intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Wednesday, 23 June 2021 17:30 (two years ago) link
i actually still haven't seen fallout :o
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 23 June 2021 17:31 (two years ago) link
Its a long way short of the pacing and tightness of ghost protocol tbh, it is a ball of nonsense by the end and that is taking into account the series thus far
― Eschew things thirty two times before swallowing them (darraghmac), Wednesday, 23 June 2021 17:32 (two years ago) link
MI2 looks horrible, im not sure its CGI more than yes slo mo and also the lens/lighting choices (nb i am not a technician) but it looks like an MTV2 video for long periods of time
― Eschew things thirty two times before swallowing them (darraghmac), Wednesday, 23 June 2021 17:33 (two years ago) link
my beef with GP is it peaks early and the climax is pretty bleh
― intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Wednesday, 23 June 2021 17:34 (two years ago) link
plus fallout has arm guns
Even if i agreed with that simon, i think that the complaint is far worse for fallout tbh
― Eschew things thirty two times before swallowing them (darraghmac), Wednesday, 23 June 2021 18:10 (two years ago) link
The trailer for the new FF starts by saying vin diesels brother is his brother then he says hello brother and his brother says ive waited a long time .....brother then charlize theron says brother vs brother this should be interesting then a cgi car flies off a cliff
This is not a contest and nobody serious thinks it could be a contest......brother
― Eschew things thirty two times before swallowing them (darraghmac), Wednesday, 23 June 2021 19:57 (two years ago) link
yes who could ever compare the silliness of the F&F films to the elegant & serious technothrillers where simon pegg wears a rubber wolf blitzer mask
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 23 June 2021 20:28 (two years ago) link
As i said earlierni i fully allow context and yet
― Eschew things thirty two times before swallowing them (darraghmac), Wednesday, 23 June 2021 20:29 (two years ago) link
I will allow that the F&F movies probably less at risk of feeling like covert scientology recruitment ads
― intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Wednesday, 23 June 2021 20:35 (two years ago) link
Maybe just more covert...
― Eschew things thirty two times before swallowing them (darraghmac), Wednesday, 23 June 2021 20:39 (two years ago) link
I have seen it and this is OTM
constantly shifting slate of directors to ramp up the excitement
nobody would have complaints about MI2 being a weird outlier if they'd continued hiring actual directors, so every film felt like the product of a different vision. (I'm fine with five out of eight being shaped by the bloke who's ended up doing them, it's just that getting a TV guy to make an exceedingly bland and pointless third one means ppl don't appresh 2 for being a bonkersfest by a director who pretended not to speak English so he wouldn't have to deal with Tom Cruise on set.)
the Fasts are likewise pretty consistent after the first couple: of the currently-planned eleven, seven will be by the same director, six by the same writer, and three written by the regular director.
I appreciate how MI has adopted F&F's "no character left behind" approach to accreting ensemble members as the movies go on. I'm less familiar with the MI franchise, have they done the thing F&F has done where even villains get generously absorbed to the ensemble of good guys (incl villains who have actively killed other major characters) as the movies go on?
Only slightly, in that Cruise and his team are always getting disbarred and having to go rogue to save the world, then the high-ranking government official who shut them down in that movie occasionally returns to say "you can't shut down the impossible mission force, they saved the world!" in another movie.
Ludacris' character was introduced as an auto parts dealer in the 2nd movie, and by #9 its just accepted that he's one of the worlds most elite hackers, for reasons that are never really explained.
not even 9 - he's an auto parts dealer in #2, returns in #5 when "we need a tech guy" to read some blueprints and crack a safe, and then by the start of #6 is a super-hacker.
went to a 25th anniversary screening last month and thought the most out-of-place stuff was the dodgy CGI and nonsensical physics in the helicopter train tunnel chase. (the completely made-up internet probably works better today, with new viewers having no idea what usenet even was, let alone how it worked.)
ive never seen anything beyond F&F1 ... MI is clear by some distance
c'mon
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, June 24, 2021 3:31 AM (two hours ago)
― Eschew things thirty two times before swallowing them (darraghmac), Thursday, June 24, 2021 3:32 AM (two hours ago)
imo McQuarrie gets the pacing formula really perf in Rogue and Fallout: twenty minutes of a setpiece good enough to anchor a whole film, two minutes of catching your breath, three minutes with talking in to establish the next macguffin, then another twenty minutes of a setpiece good enough to anchor a whole film.
Ghost Protes totally peters out at the end, but it and Fallout do both involve Cruise plummeting directly at the villain in a huge chunk of metal. Fallout does a much better job of integrating the rest-of-the-team's complementary mission.
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Wednesday, 23 June 2021 21:38 (two years ago) link
spoilers ffFFs
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Wednesday, 23 June 2021 21:39 (two years ago) link
re: "no character left behind", apparently M:I is bringing back Henry Czerny from the original for the new one(s?)
― intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Wednesday, 23 June 2021 21:45 (two years ago) link
that is a spoiler I knew and was presumptively counting as one of the above instances
#6 has the daughter of a character from #1 too, but it's an easter egg rather than a plot point
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Wednesday, 23 June 2021 21:50 (two years ago) link
I'd be (pleasantly) surprised if it ended up being anything more than an easter egg tbh, the cast is ridiculous
― intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Wednesday, 23 June 2021 21:53 (two years ago) link
i have only seen the first M:I and am still pissed that kristen scott thomas got killed right away
otoh, emilio estevez also got killed right away
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 23 June 2021 21:58 (two years ago) link
I think the character is returning but doubt they will even refer to her parentage again, let alone make anything of it - the Missions are very good at not requiring anyone to know anything from the earlier films in order to follow a new one.
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Wednesday, 23 June 2021 22:05 (two years ago) link
So hang on does only one of the fps ive given sic itt in the last hour count or what
― Eschew things thirty two times before swallowing them (darraghmac), Wednesday, 23 June 2021 22:32 (two years ago) link
Tangential, but I love how the soundtracks went Britpop leaning (Massive Attack, Pulp, Cast, Longpigs, Skunk Anansie, them from U2 on the theme song) on the first to primarily nu-metal and adjacent on the second (Limp Bizkit, Buckcherry, Godsmack, Rob Zombie, Uncle Kracker).
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 23 June 2021 22:42 (two years ago) link
First two MI soundtracks that is.
Other than 'Saving Private Ryan' and Groot- I have never seen any Vin Diesel movies.
Is MI2 the one that has the big action scene on the bullet train? That was some early ugly CGI.
― earlnash, Wednesday, 23 June 2021 22:59 (two years ago) link
blocked by earlnash :(
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Wednesday, 23 June 2021 23:15 (two years ago) link
!! Whoa that’s awesome! I was gonna post abt how disappointing it is that he’s only in one since he’s such a fantastic villain. He might be my favorite part of #1.
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 23 June 2021 23:17 (two years ago) link
Which is the recent M:I with the villain who looked like a Heidecker character, that one was goodReally, it's quite impressive that they've maintained such a high qualitative level for so long. Was a time when I thought Bourne might pull off that trick but then the Bourne-less Bourne happened (erk) followed by the very unfortunate Re-Bourne-ening (uggggh)
― Jerome Percival Jesus (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 23 June 2021 23:46 (two years ago) link
(Not to mention the Bourne-less Bourne tv show, which I hope the entire world has agreed to disavow)
― Jerome Percival Jesus (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 23 June 2021 23:47 (two years ago) link
I liked bourneless bourne it just wasnt a bourne
― Eschew things thirty two times before swallowing them (darraghmac), Thursday, 24 June 2021 00:02 (two years ago) link
Bourne 2 and 3 are OK, they have their moments, but the original is the only one I can still watch all the way through.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 24 June 2021 00:13 (two years ago) link
the recent M:I with the villain who looked like a Heidecker character…do you mean Philip Seymour Hoffman in MI3? bcz I have some disturbing news about how recently 2006 took place
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Thursday, 24 June 2021 00:24 (two years ago) link
No no, this fellowhttps://medias.spotern.com/spots/w640/10/10770-1532336916.jpgI don't see it as much in a still image but his performance def gave off some Awesome Show vibes
― Jerome Percival Jesus (Old Lunch), Thursday, 24 June 2021 01:07 (two years ago) link
you should check out this weirdo from Fallout
https://64.media.tumblr.com/a7244ec1067ba5e744124d34a36d198f/tumblr_pivepzAvUP1qiekfeo3_500.gif
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Thursday, 24 June 2021 02:21 (two years ago) link
This poll suffers from insufficient voting options.
― What's It All About, Althea? (Aimless), Thursday, 24 June 2021 04:30 (two years ago) link
for anyone worried that they've missed important details in the Fast flicks to date:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mo9-SspOYIk
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Thursday, 24 June 2021 05:03 (two years ago) link
lol that Ludacris thinks fast 6 is about them stealing the London Eye
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Thursday, 24 June 2021 12:22 (two years ago) link
the God's MacguffinI couldn't lol too hard, I rewatched it in the cinema ten days ago and had to look up the real name when he said that
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Thursday, 24 June 2021 13:00 (two years ago) link
I've only seen 2F2F which I'm assured is the worst of the franchise (and I thought was crap). I love every M:I from Ghost Protocol onwards.
― chap, Thursday, 24 June 2021 13:23 (two years ago) link
i love that the gods eye is such hilariously lazy writing that they have to waste time in future movies coming up with reasons why they cant just use it to instantly do anything and solve every problem that comes up
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Thursday, 24 June 2021 13:33 (two years ago) link
No no, this fellow
https://medias.spotern.com/spots/w640/10/10770-1532336916.jpg
I don't see it as much in a still image but his performance def gave off some Awesome Show vibes
― Jerome Percival Jesus (Old Lunch), Wednesday, June 23, 2021 8:07 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
i realized recently that this is the same actor who plays ian curtis in 24 hour party people
― na (NA), Thursday, 24 June 2021 13:35 (two years ago) link
Hes brilliant, one of my favourites to see pop up
Hes also fuckin terrifying, as a rule
― Eschew things thirty two times before swallowing them (darraghmac), Thursday, 24 June 2021 13:55 (two years ago) link
Specifically in red riding, jesus i break out when i think of that performance
― Eschew things thirty two times before swallowing them (darraghmac), Thursday, 24 June 2021 13:56 (two years ago) link
I was reading up on the Fast & the Furious last night and was shocked to learn that Giovanni Ribisi isn't in it.
― peace, man, Friday, 25 June 2021 10:38 (two years ago) link
^
Was reading The Fast and the Furious franchise films and was shocked to learn that I was shocked by that same fact 3 years ago as well.
― peace, man, Sunday, 27 June 2021 16:50 (two years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Wednesday, 30 June 2021 00:01 (two years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Thursday, 1 July 2021 00:01 (two years ago) link
Currently watching our way thru the F&F series and my goodness do they get gonzo (just watched 6). The first two are so dumb and ugly to look at it's wild to me they made more.
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 9 May 2023 14:56 (one year ago) link
lol i basically started this thread again two years laterbest long-running and currently active blockbuster gonzo action movie series
― na (NA), Tuesday, 9 May 2023 15:02 (one year ago) link