This is the thread where we discuss matters pertaining to the detrius that accompanies the "End of the Year in Cinema" -- 2022

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Los Angeles film critics are the latest to switch to gender-neutral acting prizes.

For this year's awards vote, LAFCA will also introduce gender-neutral acting categories, with two awards for Best Lead Performance and two awards for Best Supporting Performance. Our voting meeting will take place on December 11, 2022.

— Los Angeles Film Critics Association (@LAFilmCritics) October 12, 2022

(The Gotham Award nominations are Oct. 25, for the more "official" start of the detrius season.)

Eric H., Wednesday, 12 October 2022 16:27 (three months ago) link

Tár screening next week!

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 12 October 2022 16:31 (three months ago) link

I can't imagine I'll ever be excited to see a Todd Field film.

Eric H., Wednesday, 12 October 2022 16:37 (three months ago) link

I borrowed that exclamation point.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 12 October 2022 16:39 (three months ago) link

Latest check of the MD'A nerd group's 2022 top 10 thus far confirms it's ... been a year.

https://www.panix.com/~dangelo/crixpix.html

01. RRR (S S Rajamouli)
02. The Girl and the Spider (Ramon & Silvan Zürcher)
03. (tie) Barbarian (Zach Cregger)
03. (tie) Mad God (Phil Tippett)
05. Fire of Love (Sara Dosa)
06. Jackass Forever (Jeff Tremaine)
07. (tie) Apollo 10½: A Space-Age Childhood (Richard Linklater)
07. (tie) In Front of Your Face (Hong Sangsoo)
09. (tie) Happening (Audrey Diwan)
09. (tie) Top Gun: Maverick (Joseph Kosinski)

Eric H., Wednesday, 12 October 2022 16:47 (three months ago) link

Not going to link out to her site, but Sasha Stone is taking the LAFCA decision to launch gender-neutral categories about as well as you'd expect. (Jeffrey Wells, too.)

Eric H., Monday, 17 October 2022 19:21 (three months ago) link

If there's a designated Todd Field thread ... there shouldn't be, so posting this here:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/21/opinion/tar-movie-cancel-culture.html

Eric H., Monday, 24 October 2022 17:02 (three months ago) link

I didn't expect that byline.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 24 October 2022 17:24 (three months ago) link

Gotham Award nominees

Best Feature

Aftersun -- Charlotte Wells, director; Adele Romanski, Amy Jackson, Barry Jenkins, Mark Ceryak, producers (A24)
The Cathedral -- Ricky D’Ambrose, director; Graham Swon, producer (MUBI)
Dos Estaciones -- Juan Pablo González, director; Ilana Coleman, Jamie Gonçalves, Bruna Haddad, Makena Buchanan, producers (Cinema Guild)
Everything Everywhere All At Once -- Daniel Kwan, Daniel Scheinert, directors; Joe Russo, Anthony Russo, Mike Larocca, Daniel Kwan, Daniel Scheinert, Jonathan Wang, producers (A24)
Tár -- Todd Field, director; Alexandra Milchan, Scott Lambert, Todd Field, producers (Focus Features)

Best Documentary Feature

All That Breathes -- Shaunak Sen, director; Aman Mann, Shaunak Sen, Teddy Leifer producers (A Sideshow & Submarine Deluxe Release in Association with HBO Documentary Films)
All the Beauty and the Bloodshed -- Laura Poitras, director; Howard Gertler, John Lyons, Nan Goldin, Yoni Golijov, Laura Poitras, producers (NEON)
I Didn’t See You There -- Reid Davenport, director; Keith Wilson, producer (RePort Media)
The Territory -- Alex Pritz, director; Alex Pritz, Darren Aronofsky, Sigrid Dyekjær, Will N. Miller, Gabriel Uchida, Lizzie Gillett, producers (National Geographic Documentary Films)
What We Leave Behind -- Iliana Sosa, director; Emma D. Miller, Isidore Bethel, producers (ARRAY)

Best International Feature

Athena -- Romain Gavras, director; Romain Gavras, Charles-Marie Anthonioz, Mourad Belkeddar, Jean Duhamel, Nicolas Lhermitte, Ladj Ly, producers (Netflix)
The Banshees of Inisherin -- Martin McDonagh, director; Graham Broadbent, Pete Czernin, Martin McDonagh, producers (Searchlight Pictures)
Corsage -- Marie Kreutzer, director; Alexander Glehr, Johanna Scherz, Bernard Michaux, Jonas Dornbach, Janine Jackowski, Maren Ade, Jean-Christophe Reymond, producers (IFC Films)
Decision to Leave -- Park Chan-wook, director and producer (MUBI)
Happening -- Audrey Diwan, director; Edouard Weil, Alice Girard producers (IFC Films)
Saint Omer -- Alice Diop, director; Toufik Ayadi, Christophe Barral, producers (Super LTD)

Bingham Ray Breakthrough Director Award

Charlotte Wells for Aftersun (A24)
Owen Kline for Funny Pages (A24)
Elegance Bratton for The Inspection (A24)
Antoneta Alamat Kusijanovic for Murina (Kino Lorber)
Beth de Araújo for Soft & Quiet (Momentum Pictures / eOne)
Jane Schoenbrun for We’re All Going to the World’s Fair (Utopia)

Best Screenplay

After Yang, Kogonada (A24)
Armageddon Time, James Gray (Focus Features)
Catherine Called Birdy, Lena Dunham (Amazon Studios)
Tár, Todd Field (Focus Features)
Women Talking, Sarah Polley, based upon the book by Miriam Toews (United Artists Releasing / Orion Pictures)

Outstanding Lead Performance

Cate Blanchett in Tár (Focus Features)
Danielle Deadwyler in Till (United Artists Releasing / Orion Pictures)
Dale Dickey in A Love Song (Bleecker Street)
Colin Farrell in After Yang (A24)
Brendan Fraser in The Whale (A24)
Paul Mescal in Aftersun (A24)
Thandiwe Newton in God’s Country (IFC Films)
Aubrey Plaza in Emily the Criminal (Roadside Attractions and Vertical Entertainment)
Taylor Russell in Bones and All (United Artists Releasing / Metro Goldwyn Mayer Pictures)
Michelle Yeoh in Everything Everywhere All At Once (A24)

Outstanding Supporting Performance

Jessie Buckley in Women Talking (United Artists Releasing / Orion Pictures)
Raúl Castillo in The Inspection (A24)
Hong Chau in The Whale (A24)
Brian Tyree Henry in Causeway (Apple TV+)
Nina Hoss in Tár (Focus Features)
Noémie Merlant in Tár (Focus Features)
Ke Huy Quan in Everything Everywhere All At Once (A24)
Mark Rylance in Bones and All (United Artists Releasing / Metro Goldwyn Mayer Pictures)
Gabrielle Union in The Inspection (A24)
Ben Whishaw in Women Talking (United Artists Releasing / Orion Pictures)

Breakthrough Performer

Anna Cobb in We’re All Going to the World’s Fair (Utopia)
Frankie Corio Aftersun (A24)
Anna Diop in Nanny (Amazon Studios and Blumhouse)
Gracija Filipovic in Murina (Kino Lorber)
Kalie Reis in Catch the Fair One (IFC Films)

Eric H., Tuesday, 25 October 2022 17:02 (three months ago) link

am I missing it or is there really no thread for TÁR?

k3vin k., Monday, 31 October 2022 23:51 (three months ago) link

Not as of yet

Eric H., Tuesday, 1 November 2022 00:13 (three months ago) link

well, it was awesome. someone start a thread

k3vin k., Tuesday, 1 November 2022 00:22 (three months ago) link

I loved brody’s review because it was so wrong about everything it made me appreciate the film even more

k3vin k., Tuesday, 1 November 2022 00:29 (three months ago) link

Otherwise known as the Kael effect

Eric H., Tuesday, 1 November 2022 00:30 (three months ago) link

I will see TÁR obv at some point, but there's no scenario in which I'm exited to watch the new film from the director of In the Bedroom and Little Children

Eric H., Tuesday, 1 November 2022 00:30 (three months ago) link

Whatever the hell these are ...

The 2022 Virtuosos Award honorees:
⁰AUSTIN BUTLER: Elvis⁰KERRY CONDON: The Banshees Of Inisherin⁰DANIELLE DEADWYLER: Till⁰NINA HOSS: TÁR⁰STEPHANIE HSU: Everything Everywhere All At Once (EEAAO)⁰JEREMY POPE: The Inspection⁰KE HUY QUAN: EEAAO⁰JEREMY STRONG: Armageddon Time pic.twitter.com/caqY0zHZR1

— Matt Neglia (@NextBestPicture) November 1, 2022

Eric H., Tuesday, 1 November 2022 18:09 (three months ago) link

Jimmy Kimmel Returns as Host for the 95th Oscars https://t.co/ZFGAz1HpFr via @variety

— Jazz Tangcay (@jazzt) November 7, 2022

ex-McKinsey wonk who looks like a human version of a rat (Eric H.), Monday, 7 November 2022 14:03 (two months ago) link

European Films Awards nominees

European Film:
• ALCARRÀS, directed by Carla Simón, produced by María Zamora, Stefan Schmitz, Tono Folguera & Giovanni Pompili (Spain/Italy)
• CLOSE, directed by Lukas Dhont, produced by Michiel Dhont, Dirk Impens, Michel Saint-Jean, Laurette Schillings, Arnold Heslenfeld, Frans van Gestel & Jacques-Henri Bronckart (Belgium/France/Netherlands)
• CORSAGE, directed by Marie Kreutzer, produced by Alexander Glehr, Johanna Scherz, Bernard Michaux, Jonas Dornbach, Janine Jackowski, Maren Ade & Jean-Christophe Reymond (Austria/Luxembourg/Germany/France)
• HOLY SPIDER, directed by Ali Abbasi, produced by Sol Bondy & Jacob Jarek (Denmark/Germany/Sweden/France)
• TRIANGLE OF SADNESS, directed by Ruben Östlund, produced by Erik Hemmendorff & Philippe Bober (Sweden/Germany/France/United Kingdom)

European Director:
• Lukas Dhont for CLOSE
• Marie Kreutzer for CORSAGE
• Jerzy Skolimowski for EO
• Ali Abbasi for HOLY SPIDER
• Alice Diop for SAINT OMER
• Ruben Östlund for TRIANGLE OF SADNESS

European Actress:
• Vicky Krieps in CORSAGE
• Zar Amir Ebrahimi in HOLY SPIDER
• Léa Seydoux in ONE FINE MORNING
• Penélope Cruz in PARALLEL MOTHERS
• Meltem Kaptan in RABIYE KURNAZ VS. GEORGE W. BUSH

European Actor:
• Paul Mescal in AFTERSUN
• Eden Dambrine in CLOSE
• Elliott Crosset Hove in GODLAND
• Pierfrancesco Favino in NOSTALGIA
• Zlatko Burić in TRIANGLE OF SADNESS

European Screenwriter:
• Carla Simón & Arnau Vilaró for ALCARRÀS
• Kenneth Branagh for BELFAST
• Lukas Dhont & Angelo Tijssens for CLOSE
• Ali Abbasi & Afshin Kamran Bahrami for HOLY SPIDER
• Ruben Östlund for TRIANGLE OF SADNESS

European Documentary:
• A HOUSE MADE OF SPLINTERS, directed by Simon Lereng Wilmont (Denmark/Sweden/Finland/Ukraine)
• GIRL GANG, directed by Susanne Regina Meures (Switzerland)
• MARIUPOLIS 2, directed by Mantas Kvedaravičius (Lithuania/France/Germany)
• THE BALCONY MOVIE (FILM BALKONOWY), directed by Paweł Łoziński (Poland)
• THE MARCH ON ROME (MARCIA SU ROMA), directed by Mark Cousins (Italy)

European Discovery – Prix FIPRESCI
• 107 MOTHERS (CENZORKA), directed by Peter Kerekes (Slovakia/Czech Republic/Ukraine)
• LOVE ACCORDING TO DALVA (DALVA), directed by Emmanuelle Nicot (Belgium/France)
• OTHER PEOPLE (INNI LUDZIE), directed by Aleksandra Terpińska (Poland/France)
• PAMFIR, directed by Dmytro Sukholytkyy-Sobchuk (Ukraine/France/Poland/Germany/ Chile)
• SMALL BODY (PICCOLO CORPO), directed by Laura Samani (Italy/Slovenia/France)
• SONNE, directed by Kurdwin Ayub, produced by Ulrich Seidl (Austria)

ex-McKinsey wonk who looks like a human version of a rat (Eric H.), Thursday, 10 November 2022 20:43 (two months ago) link

Corsage was good.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 10 November 2022 20:46 (two months ago) link

Reviews for She Said are about exactly what I'd have expected

ex-McKinsey wonk who looks like a human version of a rat (Eric H.), Friday, 18 November 2022 17:26 (two months ago) link

Dec. 2nd – New York Film Critics Circle (NYFCC)

Tough to imagine most anyone caring in the immediate aftermath of the '22 Sight & Sound poll.

ex-McKinsey wonk who looks like a human version of a rat (Eric H.), Friday, 18 November 2022 17:27 (two months ago) link

Independent Spirit nominations cement TAR and EEAAO:

Best Feature

“Bones and All”
“Everything Everywhere All at Once”
“Our Father the Devil”
“TÁR”
“Women Talking”

Best Director

Todd Field, “TÁR”
Kogonada, “After Yang”
Daniel Kwan and Daniel Scheinert, “Everything Everywhere All at Once”
Sarah Polley, “Women Talking”
Halina Reijn, “Bodies Bodies Bodies”

Best First Feature

“Aftersun”
“Emily the Criminal”
“The Inspection”
“Murina”
“Palm Trees and Power Lines”

Best Lead Performance

Cate Blanchett, “TÁR”
Dale Dickey, “A Love Song”
Mia Goth, “Pearl”
Regina Hall, “Honk for Jesus, Save Your Soul”
Paul Mescal, “Aftersun”
Aubrey Plaza, “Emily the Criminal”
Jeremy Pope, “The Inspection”
Taylor Russell, “Bones and All”
Andrea Riseborough, “To Leslie”
Michelle Yeoh, “Everything Everywhere All at Once”

Best Supporting Performance

Jamie Lee Curtis, “Everything Everywhere All at Once”
Brian Tyree Henry, “Causeway”
Nina Hoss, “TÁR”
Brian d’Arcy James, “The Cathedral”
Ke Huy Quan, “Everything Everywhere All at Once”
Trevante Rhodes, “Bruiser”
Theo Rossi, “Emily the Criminal”
Mark Rylance, “Bones and All”
Jonathan Tucker, “Palm Trees and Power Lines”
Gabrielle Union, “The Inspection”

Breakthrough Performance

Frankie Corio, “Aftersun”
Gracija Filipović, “Murina”
Stephanie Hsu, “Everything Everywhere All at Once”
Lily McInerny, “Palm Trees and Power Lines”
Daniel Zolghadri, “Funny Pages”

Best Screenplay

“After Yang”
“Catherine Called Birdy”
“Everything Everywhere All at Once”
“TÁR”
“Women Talking”

Best First Screenplay

“Bodies Bodies Bodies”
“Emergency”
“Emily the Criminal”
“Fire Island”
“Palm Trees and Power Lines”

Best Cinematography

“Aftersun”
“Murina”
“Neptune Frost”
“Pearl”
“TÁR”

Best Editing

“Aftersun”
“The Cathedral”
“Everything Everywhere All at Once”
“Marcel the Shell with Shoes On”
“TÁR”

Robert Altman Award

“Women Talking”

Best Documentary

“A House Made of Splinters”
“All That Breathes”
“All the Beauty and the Bloodshed”
“Midwives”
“Riotsville USA”

Best International Film

“Corsage”
“Joyland”
“Leonor Will Never Die”
“Return to Soul”
“Saint Omer”

Someone to Watch Award

Adamma Ebo, “Honk for Jesus, Save Your Soul”
Nikyatu Jusu, “Nanny”
Araceli Lemos, “Holy Emy”

Truer Than Fiction Award

Isabel Castro, “Mija”
Reid Davenport, “I Didn’t See You There”
Rebeca Huntt, “Beba (Bayba)”

John Cassavetes Award

“The African Desperate”
“A Love Song”
“The Cathedral”
“Holy Emy”
“Something in the Dirt”

Producers Award

Liz Cardenas

Tory Lenosky

David Grove Churchill Viste

ex-McKinsey wonk who looks like a human version of a rat (Eric H.), Tuesday, 22 November 2022 15:44 (two months ago) link

I wanna keep seeing Nina Hoss' name.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 22 November 2022 15:48 (two months ago) link

Two men of the 10 lead performance nominees is going to piss the right people off

ex-McKinsey wonk who looks like a human version of a rat (Eric H.), Tuesday, 22 November 2022 15:48 (two months ago) link

Gotham Award winners

Best Feature
Everything Everywhere All at Once -- Daniel Kwan, Daniel Scheinert, directors (A24)

Outstanding Lead Performance
Danielle Deadwyler in Till (United Artists Releasing / Orion Pictures)

Outstanding Supporting Performance
Ke Huy Quan in Everything Everywhere All at Once (A24)

Bingham Ray Breakthrough Director Award
Charlotte Wells for Aftersun (A24)

Breakthrough Series – Long Format (over 40 minutes)
Pachinko -- Soo Hugh, creator (Apple TV+)

Breakthrough Series – Short Format (under 40 minutes)
Mo -- Mohammed Amer, Ramy Youssef, creators (Netflix)

Breakthrough Nonfiction Series
We Need To Talk About Cosby -- W. Kamau Bell, creator and director (Showtime)

Outstanding Performance in a New Series
Ben Whishaw in This is Going to Hurt (AMC+ in association with BBC)

Best Documentary Feature
All That Breathes -- Shaunak Sen, director (A Sideshow & Submarine Deluxe Release in Association with HBO Documentary Films)

Best International Feature
Happening -- Audrey Diwan, director (IFC Films)

Best Screenplay
Tár, Todd Field (Focus Features)

Breakthrough Performer
Gracija Filipovic in Murina (Kino Lorber)

عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Tuesday, 29 November 2022 16:31 (two months ago) link

https://www.artforum.com/print/202210/john-waters-s-best-films-of-2022-89642

01 PETER VON KANT (François Ozon)
02 EO (Jerzy Skolimowski)
03 EVERYTHING WENT FINE (François Ozon—AGAIN!)
04 SICK OF MYSELF (Kristoffer Borgli)
05 BRUNO REIDAL, CONFESSIONS OF A MURDERER (Vincent Le Port)
06 DETAINEE 001 (Greg Barker)
07 DINNER IN AMERICA (Adam Rehmeier)
08 WILL-O’-THE-WISP (João Pedro Rodrigues)
09 SMOKING CAUSES COUGHING (Quentin Dupieux)
10 BONES AND ALL (Luca Guadagnino)

(As always, the blurbs are what really make it worth the click.)

عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Thursday, 1 December 2022 14:06 (two months ago) link

The 25 Best Movies of 2022 https://t.co/K5pcJ3nqBr pic.twitter.com/x0PF1qMX88

— IndieWire (@IndieWire) December 1, 2022

عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Thursday, 1 December 2022 14:31 (two months ago) link

I sort of forgot how many lists drop on the first of December

عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Thursday, 1 December 2022 14:31 (two months ago) link

https://www.vox.com/culture/23484805/best-movies-2022-streaming-theaters

(Jackass Forever on both these last two lists.)

عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Thursday, 1 December 2022 14:32 (two months ago) link

It's amusing and insane to me how studios still send boxes of swag: I had three Ark of the Covenant-sized crates outside my apt door yesterday filled with shit promoting Knives Out, White Noise, etc.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 1 December 2022 16:20 (two months ago) link

Each and every one of those boxes is a reminder how many lost their jobs at Netflix. It's infuriating.

عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Thursday, 1 December 2022 16:37 (two months ago) link

Here's what's alleged to be Cahiers' top 10 for 2022

1) Pacifiction (Albert Serra)
2) Licorice Pizza (Paul Thomas Anderson)
3) Nope (Jordan Peele)
4) EO (Jerzy Skolimowski)
5) Wheel of Fortune and Fantasy (Ryusuke Hamaguchi)
6) Bowling Saturne (Patricia Mazuy)
7) Apollo 10 1/2 (Richard Linklater)
8) Introduction (Hong Sang-soo)
9) Nobody’s Hero (Alain Guiraudie)
10) Qui A Part Nous (Jonas Trueba)

عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Thursday, 1 December 2022 17:53 (two months ago) link

Vanity Fair's top 10:

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2022/06/best-movies-2022

01. TÁR
02. You Won’t Be Alone
03. Empire of Light
04. Benediction
05. All the Beauty and the Bloodshed
06. Armageddon Time
07. One Fine Morning
08. Hit the Road
09. Saint Omer
10. Marcel the Shell with Shoes On

عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Thursday, 1 December 2022 18:33 (two months ago) link

NYFFC gets the ball rolling for Paul Mescal:

BEST ACTOR: Paul Mescal, Aftersun #NYFCC

— New York Film Critics Circle (@NYFCCC) December 2, 2022

عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Friday, 2 December 2022 13:54 (two months ago) link

Nice. I've had the best success promoting Aftersun in recent weeks.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 2 December 2022 13:54 (two months ago) link

Gah, fake account, disregard.

عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Friday, 2 December 2022 13:55 (two months ago) link

OK, a REAL award now for Aftersun

BEST FIRST FILM: Aftersun

— New York Film Critics Circle (@nyfcc) December 2, 2022

عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Friday, 2 December 2022 14:46 (two months ago) link

BEST ANIMATED FEATURE: Marcel the Shell with Shoes On

— New York Film Critics Circle (@nyfcc) December 2, 2022

عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Friday, 2 December 2022 15:10 (two months ago) link

Nice. Was going to watch this weekend.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 2 December 2022 15:11 (two months ago) link

BEST NON-FICTION FILM: All the Beauty and the Bloodshed

— New York Film Critics Circle (@nyfcc) December 2, 2022

Not surprised at the speed on this decision

عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Friday, 2 December 2022 15:24 (two months ago) link

I'm going to knock ^^^^ down this weekend

عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Friday, 2 December 2022 15:25 (two months ago) link

i'm not mad at marcel winning best animated feature but i gotta say it didn't stick to me at all. i frankly liked the minions movie more lol

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 2 December 2022 15:27 (two months ago) link

All the Beauty and the Bloodshed is easily in my top five of the year.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 2 December 2022 15:30 (two months ago) link

BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR: Ke Huy Quan, Everything Everywhere All At Once

— New York Film Critics Circle (@nyfcc) December 2, 2022

عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Friday, 2 December 2022 15:42 (two months ago) link

More Claire Denis than René Clair.

― Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 12 November 2022 02:15 (two weeks ago) link

My puissant powers of prediction prevail!

Halfway there but for you, Friday, 2 December 2022 15:56 (two months ago) link

Wrong thread, never mind.

Halfway there but for you, Friday, 2 December 2022 15:57 (two months ago) link

Props, but hasn't Clair been absent from these polls since 1962?

xp oh lol

عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Friday, 2 December 2022 15:58 (two months ago) link

I might finally try and get to EEAAO this weekend; been putting it off because I found Swiss Army Man so irritating.

Les hommes de bonbons (cryptosicko), Friday, 2 December 2022 15:58 (two months ago) link

Lydia Tár belittled a pangender BIPOC student. She groomed young women. One of them committed suicide.

This morning she got multiple Oscar nominations. Please tell me again how cancel culture is real.

— Nick Newman (@Nick_Newman) January 24, 2023

but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 25 January 2023 13:20 (one week ago) link

Keep the bad tweets coming

عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Wednesday, 25 January 2023 13:28 (one week ago) link

There's a segment of Film Twitter that's so irony-poisoned it's stifling (I know this is not exclusive to Film Twitter).

Chris L, Wednesday, 25 January 2023 14:31 (one week ago) link

agh, too many personals, but just the everyday struggle to keep on top of life and the chaos and constant worry that things are falling apart, the striving to provide and taking care of older relatives, and people are not cool or confident or sassy, they're all only just about holding it together in their own ways and are unable to easily empathise with each other even though we're all in the same boat, because we're too busy dealing with our own shit, that speech about emotional strength is exactly the one I've tried to have with my wife so many times - and seeing all of this represented not as a dour drama that nobody will see but as a mainstream movie everyone is watching, it's just one of the best things that happened in 2022.

― Camaraderie at Arms Length, Wednesday, January 25, 2023 1:14 AM (seven hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Would love to see this movie without all the "Marvel bullshit."

jaymc, Wednesday, 25 January 2023 15:10 (one week ago) link

Yeah but that approach could be its own problem. I said this on FB in a thread about the film yesterday:

...(imagine if) it kept the same general cast and setting it could have in other hands and in other times been nothing more than a vaguely worthy Oscar-bait drama, one that Hollywood would use to pat itself on the back that they're 'telling these stories now' -- a very 90s kind of nominee in turn, maybe the space (from lack of multiverse etc) would have been filled in with a 'wacky but loveable' laundry patron with a catchphrase or two, etc. etc. Maybe it could work that way, maybe it would be just dull.

And I'll add now I'm willing to believe it would be very earnest and very dull that way! That Daniels are clearly incredibly visually oriented by default is a major plus.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 25 January 2023 15:26 (one week ago) link

Separately, saw this new All Quiet on the Western Front: I do wonder if being very familiar with the original 1930 movie as well as having read the original novel shapes my thought on it. I agreed with a friend that the real pathos of those versions is lost in the new plot construction here. Essentially I wasn't feeling the running subplot of the official armistice negotiations and the actions of the German general and all that -- the point of the book/original movie lies in the ground's eye view, and the novel and original movie both end some time short of the actual armistice, so the dynamic is different in key ways in this one. Still, it did do a lot of riffing on many of the key 'set pieces' of the core narrative -- the 'food for 150 men but only 80 here' part, the torn poster, etc. and that was nice to see; certainly gruesome at many points, it's no more or less artful/realistic than 1917 visually, and no one-take gimmick as such applies. And, admittedly, really nice to finally have an adaptation of the story in German. I did find out the 1979 version is on Kanopy over here so I'm going to go back to that in turn at some point; that was the first version I ever saw back when it aired.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 25 January 2023 15:31 (one week ago) link

The original Milestone film uses the limitations of sound design with imagination; you hear every cry of agony, every muffled cry for help.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 25 January 2023 15:35 (one week ago) link

many many xps but i also thought of pig when watching the menu, tho the former was vastly better on every level (the menu was fine)

sault bae (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 25 January 2023 15:43 (one week ago) link

xpost Yeah the sound design has always sat with me from that version. The general lack of a musical soundtrack, careful editing, a bit of diagetic music here and there and attention to detail with the conversations and exchanges, but above all else the impact of every shell, somehow worse in impact and feeling than anything in a modern sound mix.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 25 January 2023 15:45 (one week ago) link

I haven't watched it yet but all signs point to All Quiet being the very prestige TV version of the material

عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Wednesday, 25 January 2023 15:46 (one week ago) link

It's also inescapable that in 1930 the impact of those shells only had a decade-plus to reverberate.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 25 January 2023 15:48 (one week ago) link

I'd like to think there's a middle ground between the hyperactive, visually maximalist comic-book version and the earnest, dull '90s Oscar bait version of EEAAO. Thinking about the sensibilities of filmmakers like Mike Leigh or Nicole Holofcener, who obviously wouldn't be the right fit for telling the story of this particular family, but who excel at portrayals of families and relationships that are messy and humanistic and leavened by humor. IDK.

jaymc, Wednesday, 25 January 2023 16:00 (one week ago) link

But whatever. I didn't actually hate EEAAO, I actually thought a lot of it was pretty fun. I just didn't connect with it on more than a superficial level, and so all of the awards attention makes me a bit grumpy.

jaymc, Wednesday, 25 January 2023 16:05 (one week ago) link

I'm glad EEAAO got made, attracted this cast, and was the right sort of movie to draw people into theaters (again and again). It earned its good will. But count me among those exhausted by the 50-minute mark.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 25 January 2023 16:06 (one week ago) link

I think the problem for me is that something like the buttplug fight is also, just, dull. It might prompt an easy laugh at first, but it isn't interesting or fun to think about later on. Most of the visual gags and action bits in the movie felt like that to me.

The core idea of a family multiverse movie is not the problem, but the flipping between universes starts to feel really excessive and unconstrained at a certain point. To me it would be more satisfying if the travel between universes felt more genuinely clever and controlled (which it is for much of the first half).

jmm, Wednesday, 25 January 2023 16:07 (one week ago) link

This was the rest of my FB comment about that point -- obviously it won't be for everyone, but here's how I felt it:

But the seemingly exhausting overload of all the everything else is something that resonates with me in particular -- obviously I'm not saying I suddenly equate myself with these core characters on a deep personal level, I do not! Their experiences aren't mine. But the quicksilver nature of accumulated cultural imagery and flights of fancy, the what ifs and the surrealisms, how we shape and process it all internally as it all accelerates with time, these have shaped me now for maybe my whole life in a default, and I suspect that's the case for a lot of us one way or another. Watching it was like riding the best rollercoaster ever, the happiest and craziest ride, and with a hell of an emotional undertow at the heart of it all. It wasn't exhausting, it was thrilling, it was like a peek into how the mind works, and it felt like a relief to actually see that being engaged and illustrated, like we don't experience something as one story but multiple ones, and how the serious moments in life can have strange images crowd into our heads unbidden, as much as the silly ones do.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 25 January 2023 16:21 (one week ago) link

I like how chaotic it is, how this very complex plot is almost left in the background, using ridiculously high-concept fantasy ideas to explore the human condition is an underexploited trope if anything IMO.

Now yes, the buttplug fight, and the hot dog fingers universe and especially the chef with a racoon under his hat were weak parts for sure, but I can accept all as "stuff for other viewers" which is quickly moved on from - I also generally have no time for action movies, especially Marvel superhero movies, but I didn't see much of that at all - it was more like if Stephen Chow made a superhero movie (which would obviously be 1000x better than anything from the MCU) But so much of the self-discovery required this extreme perspective, and some of the fantastic conceits (like when they are rocks) are genuinely brilliant.

I would like a film about this family made by a Chinese Mike Leigh, I might even like it more than EEAAO, but it would be a fundamentally different film.

Camaraderie at Arms Length, Wednesday, 25 January 2023 16:34 (one week ago) link

I'm surprised I haven't seen more discussion of Scott Pilgrim in re EEAAO, since it seems like an obvious precursor in using superhero/fantasy tropes to tell a story about normal people's emotional lives.

Also very well put Ned, great post(s)

Camaraderie at Arms Length, Wednesday, 25 January 2023 16:40 (one week ago) link

But count me among those exhausted by the 50-minute mark.
feel like most of the criticism I see of the film is about the first hour, or even first half hour, when all the best parts are in the last 40 minutes

Camaraderie at Arms Length, Wednesday, 25 January 2023 16:42 (one week ago) link

Too restless by then!

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 25 January 2023 16:43 (one week ago) link

yeah, I tried watching EEAAO on a plane, which was probably not the ideal setting, but I also had to tap out after about an hour. I did feel like there was something to the characters and the story but overall just found it too overwhelming and silly

k3vin k., Wednesday, 25 January 2023 18:58 (one week ago) link

i found the 2nd half particularly excruciating. it felt like the epic Marvel version of every bad improv show: "ok now suggest an item for us to fight with. BUTT plugs?! haha oh man, this audience tonight is crazy, but ok, you asked for it!!" call me a fun-hater if you must, i dont need it to be some boring Sundance drama, but 2h20m of LOL Random Epic Zombie Bacon: The Movie was... not for me

waste of compute (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 25 January 2023 20:05 (one week ago) link

butt plugs was from the first half, also fuck off

Camaraderie at Arms Length, Wednesday, 25 January 2023 20:14 (one week ago) link

sorry CaAL. ive done a lot of talking, now its time to do some listening and make room for healing, i hope we can all grow from this experience of me forgetting which part of the movie had the butt plugs

waste of compute (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 25 January 2023 20:21 (one week ago) link

There's a segment of Film Twitter that's so irony-poisoned it's stifling (I know this is not exclusive to Film Twitter).

― Chris L, Wednesday, January 25, 2023 6:31 AM (five hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

it's the worst aspect of film twitter, so much of it comes off as dead-eyed sociopath anti-discourse

omar little, Wednesday, 25 January 2023 20:28 (one week ago) link

very very not exclusive to film twitter obv

omar little, Wednesday, 25 January 2023 20:29 (one week ago) link

sorry to be clear the "fuck off" was for "Random Epic Zombie Bacon: The Movie" - the "I hate the second half of this film because (something from the first half)" was incidental.

Camaraderie at Arms Length, Wednesday, 25 January 2023 20:39 (one week ago) link

oh cool

waste of compute (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 25 January 2023 20:44 (one week ago) link

xxp Guessing part of the reason is that it's very hard to stand out for film opinions/analysis

jmm, Wednesday, 25 January 2023 20:46 (one week ago) link

Watching WOMEN TALKING, the film allegory of the feminist movement, I was struck at how in the film, as in real life, no women of color were included. The film stated it was a true story in “the female imagination”. Even in the feminist utopia, women of color aren’t considered.

— Wendell Pierce (@WendellPierce) January 24, 2023

عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Wednesday, 25 January 2023 23:59 (one week ago) link

Says a guy who not long ago was charged with assaulting a woman for talking.

Chris L, Thursday, 26 January 2023 00:03 (one week ago) link

https://variety.com/2023/awards/news/razzies-apologize-age-limit-ryan-kiera-armstrong-1235502000/

Sometimes, you do things without thinking, Then you are called out for it. Then you get it. It’s why the Razzies were created in the first place.

The recent valid criticism of the choice of 11 year old Armstrong as a nominee for one of our awards brought our attention to how insensitive we’ve been in this instance. As a result, we have removed Armstrong’s name from the Final Ballot that our members will cast next month. We also believe a public apology is owed Ms. Armstrong, and wish to say we regret any hurt she experienced as a result of our choices.

Having learned from this lesson, we would also like to announce that, from this point forward, we are adopting a Voting Guideline precluding any performer or film-maker under 18 years of age from being considered for our awards.

We have never intended to bury anyone’s career. It is why our Redeemer Award was created. We all make mistakes, very much us included.

Since our motto is “Own Your Bad,” we realize that we ourselves must also live up to it.

Sincerely,
John Wilson, The Razzie Awards

عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Thursday, 26 January 2023 13:34 (one week ago) link

https://variety.com/2023/awards/awards/andrea-riseborough-to-leslie-oscars-academy-review-1235504914/

Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences confirmed Friday that it is “conducting a review of campaign procedures” in the wake of Andrea Riseborough’s surprise Oscar nomination for the small indie film “To Leslie.”

The Academy released a statement Friday regarding the campaign, though it didn’t mention “To Leslie” specifically.

“It is the Academy’s goal to ensure that the Awards competition is conducted in a fair and ethical manner, and we are committed to ensuring an inclusive awards process,” the statement reads. “We are conducting a review of the campaign procedures around this year’s nominees, to ensure that no guidelines were violated, and to inform us whether changes to the guidelines may be needed in a new era of social media and digital communication. We have confidence in the integrity of our nomination and voting procedures, and support genuine grassroots campaigns for outstanding performances.”

how is a successful campaign by celebrity fans less valid than one involving a push by a studio and publicists and ads?

Dan S, Saturday, 28 January 2023 01:09 (six days ago) link

supposedly if people phoned up members directly and asked them to promote it/vote for it that's bad? and/or if people involved with the film explicitly mentioned other possible candidates for nomination? it all seems very baroque tbh

tambourine, Saturday, 28 January 2023 01:35 (six days ago) link

it's horseshit imo.
Riseborough's a good actress but this film looks slight. I should watch it.

POLIZISTEN VERSINKEN IM SCHLAMM (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 28 January 2023 05:25 (six days ago) link

finally saw aftersun and it is 100 percent great

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Sunday, 29 January 2023 16:59 (five days ago) link

yay!

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 29 January 2023 17:06 (five days ago) link

The New Yorker’s YouTube channel has five of the nominated short films (2 animated, 2 docs, 1 live action).

I just finished Stranger at the Gate, one of the documentary short nominees. Not totally sure how I feel about it but it is definitely compelling - about a war vet with ptsd who comes to the brink of committing a mass shooting.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Monday, 30 January 2023 17:21 (four days ago) link

btw in case you're curious, a quick search on these platforms will find these various shorts, all ranging from about 7 to 40 minutes.

Documentary Short
THE ELEPHANT WHISPERERS - Netflix

HAULOUT - YouTube

HOW DO YOU MEASURE A YEAR? - not currently on streaming

THE MARTHA MITCHELL EFFECT - Netflix

STRANGER AT THE GATE - YouTube

Animated Short
THE BOY, THE MOLE, THE FOX AND THE HORSE - AppleTV+

THE FLYING SAILOR - YouTube

ICE MERCHANTS - YouTube

MY YEAR OF DICKS - Vimeo

AN OSTRICH TOLD ME THE WORLD IS FAKE AND I THINK I BELIEVE IT - not on streaming

Live Action Short
AN IRISH GOODBYE - not on streaming

IVALU - not on streaming

LE PUPILLE - Disney+

NIGHT RIDE - YouTube

THE RED SUITCASE - not on streaming

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Monday, 30 January 2023 17:26 (four days ago) link

Haulout dropped my jaw

عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Monday, 30 January 2023 17:43 (four days ago) link

night ride sucks
my year of dicks and the ostrich short are both pretty good

POLIZISTEN VERSINKEN IM SCHLAMM (forksclovetofu), Monday, 30 January 2023 17:57 (four days ago) link

Yeah, Night Ride was a big disappointment; Ivalu was even worse

عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Monday, 30 January 2023 18:33 (four days ago) link

I liked Haulout too.

The more I think about Stranger at the Gate, the more I wish it were a much longer doc. At ~25 minutes it really simplifies what was likely an extremely layered and complex reality.

In the animated category, The Ice Merchants and The Flying Sailor both had nice animation styles but the narratives were kinda nothing, just excuses to draw something. I didn't really care for My Year of Dicks. It was just OK. The Boy, The Mole etc is the only one in the category that actually seemed made for kids and maybe that's why I found it so touching. There were things in it that, maybe coincidentally, felt like things I needed to hear. I didn't see the Ostrich film.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Monday, 30 January 2023 22:48 (four days ago) link

hahaha @ that wendell pierce tweet

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Monday, 30 January 2023 23:26 (four days ago) link

jesus he just doubles, triples, and quadruples down on that dumb statement the further down the thread you go. I haven't even seen this film and I knew what it was about.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Monday, 30 January 2023 23:29 (four days ago) link

Riseborough's a good actress but this film looks slight. I should watch it.

― POLIZISTEN VERSINKEN IM SCHLAMM (forksclovetofu), Saturday, January 28, 2023 12:25 AM (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink

Please report back--I'm skeptical when a non-American actress gets raves for playing a gritty role with an American accent. (Do American actresses simply never get a chance at these roles, or do the critics not pay attention when they do?)

Infanta Terrible (j.lu), Tuesday, 31 January 2023 00:57 (three days ago) link

British/Irish actors get raves for playing Americans all the time. And they are really good at it. I will watch this film. The hype for it seems kind of manufactured to me though

Dan S, Tuesday, 31 January 2023 01:53 (three days ago) link

it does, yet, everyone I know who watched it loved it (this is three people) so maybe the hype is justified. dunno guess I'll watch it later this week.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Tuesday, 31 January 2023 02:22 (three days ago) link


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