THE PERIPHERAL - our stub contemplates the Jonathan Nolan/Lisa Joy show based on the book by William Gibson

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get all quantum entangled or whatever in this thread

mh, Saturday, 29 October 2022 15:48 (three months ago) link

aren’t those friends of Chloe Grace Moretz’s brother going to get bored of just hanging around the campfire with their guns cocked all day and night, waiting for something to happen?

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 29 October 2022 15:58 (three months ago) link

watched first episode, exactly the vibe I want from a Gibson adaptation

Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Saturday, 29 October 2022 16:09 (three months ago) link

xp wait until you find out how deployed troops spend most of their time! also, they’re kind of rich now

mh, Saturday, 29 October 2022 16:45 (three months ago) link

that eye-shit in ep 1 was full skeleton-leaving-my body NOPE

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 29 October 2022 17:53 (three months ago) link

Had to look away from that and there have been a bunch of things I've watched lately (Mr. Robot, Devs) with finger torture/breakage I couldn't watch. Getting soft in my old age.

papal hotwife (milo z), Saturday, 29 October 2022 17:59 (three months ago) link

watched the first three episodes, some very dumb moments (these badass mercenaries are going to leave a coffee cup on top of their invisible car and leave the invisible car parked on a road? really?) but the visual world building is 100% and it's just fun to watch.

Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Saturday, 29 October 2022 20:03 (three months ago) link

also like the idea that in the future eye surgery involves getting a good grip on the eyeball and using it to yank the optic nerve out, feels like that might cause some issues with the new eye

Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Saturday, 29 October 2022 20:06 (three months ago) link

that was the peripheral getting the stolen eye implanted and it’s basically a remote control (apparently partly biological) robot

mh, Saturday, 29 October 2022 20:21 (three months ago) link

they still removed the eye from a human being... I'm no doctor but removing someone's kidney with an ice cream scoop and then jamming into an android's abdomen probably wouldn't result in a functioning kidney?

Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Saturday, 29 October 2022 20:25 (three months ago) link

they’ve got nanobots

mh, Saturday, 29 October 2022 20:42 (three months ago) link

so use the nanobots to open the lock

Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Saturday, 29 October 2022 21:41 (three months ago) link

it’s called plot ffs

in other news

If this had occurred to me as another element of the jackpot, I ultimately wouldn’t have used it. 🙄https://t.co/L0G2vBrhF7

— William Gibson (@GreatDismal) October 30, 2022

mh, Sunday, 30 October 2022 02:35 (three months ago) link

Pete Townshend voice: let nanobots to open the lock / to your heart

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Sunday, 30 October 2022 02:40 (three months ago) link

I mean, you could argue why it’s even necessary to have a real eyeball when scanning technology, etc would let you get there, but I’d buy that extreme transplant into a bio-surrogate tech is slightly ahead of detecting real eye in surrogate host detection, in the cat and mouse game of fraud detection but overall it’s a dumb plot tangent to nitpick

I’ve been thinking about the omission of progressions that’s in the novel, where the initial telepresence is in what seems like a more traditional hovering drone, makes sense. Viewers seeing a completely immersive sequence in what is basically a modern DJI quadcopter… ok? We’re probably there, or close enough that it’s no discernibly different on screen. Near-future fic gone boring, as WG keeps admitting

mh, Sunday, 30 October 2022 03:03 (three months ago) link

I just watched the first two episodes. then watched an old ep of Community, which had this RV-based adventure: "Space Elder Abed, can you reach backward with your mind and save our species?"

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/community-sitcom/images/9/98/6x10_Abed_and_Frankie.jpg

Is it going to be about a giant hand?

kinder, Monday, 31 October 2022 22:47 (three months ago) link

I’ve been thinking about the omission of progressions that’s in the novel, where the initial telepresence is in what seems like a more traditional hovering drone

So in ep 2 or 3 someone comments about how Aelita was kind of their in? The equivalent of the drone you mention I guess? Thats the bit I'm fuzzy on - we're shown this world via the VR headset, so how did Burton end up with it, was Aelita pretending to be the south american VR company guys?

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 1 November 2022 02:07 (three months ago) link

yeah

they’ve mentioned their meddling in passing, but people in the future (not ours) have a fair amount of knowledge from surviving documentation, but every time they change something the stub diverts further from their possible future. so they either create a dummy company or send someone a winning lottery number or whatever when they want to interact with the Flynnes of the world

they’re kind of slow-burning the plot as far as explaining who the villains are in the London timeframe and why they’re bad but I’m sure we’ll get there

mh, Tuesday, 1 November 2022 02:45 (three months ago) link

lol at how Flynn has heard the name Aelita maybe twice verbally but somehow knows how to spell it when doing her Altavista searches

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 1 November 2022 19:51 (three months ago) link

sorry “Flynne”

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 1 November 2022 19:52 (three months ago) link

Were the southern drawls a plot point in the Gibson book? It comes across as both ornamental but also non-negotiably mandatory in the show.

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 2 November 2022 03:01 (three months ago) link

Gibson required at least 50% of the cast should sound like him so yeah

Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Wednesday, 2 November 2022 03:31 (three months ago) link

Big auteurist Protazanov/silent Soviet film fan community in North Carolina irrc.

Piedie Gimbel, Wednesday, 2 November 2022 15:59 (three months ago) link

Is this VR companion to the old bad guy supposed to look AI generated? Cause she sure as hell does.

https://imgur.com/a/BSXwZm6

calstars, Friday, 4 November 2022 01:20 (two months ago) link

https://imgur.com/a/BSXwZm6

calstars, Friday, 4 November 2022 01:20 (two months ago) link

loved the juxtaposition of the sleeping mask with the VR googles. sleep is the original VR

calstars, Friday, 4 November 2022 01:26 (two months ago) link

the local business/drug kingpin’s VR thing is supposed to look kind of rudimentary and generated. his avatar and everything in there looked the same, kind of a universal blur filter

mh, Friday, 4 November 2022 02:25 (two months ago) link

yep, it's great. I love the look of this.

kinder, Saturday, 5 November 2022 09:20 (two months ago) link

I mentioned that scene looking intentionally painterly/weird too but it mustve been on the other thread.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Sunday, 6 November 2022 01:34 (two months ago) link

I was a little disappointed by the "reveal" of the components of the Jackpot. It was better as a phantom terror than when they literally broke it down into parts. Especially when one of the elements was as bland as nuclear terrorism. I mean, how unimaginative.

but also fuck you (unperson), Sunday, 6 November 2022 01:54 (two months ago) link

Book handled it better... just kinda "was everything, not one thing"

Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Sunday, 6 November 2022 02:12 (two months ago) link

oh fuck having put the book down, cos i got bored, i realise i never got to the jackpot reveal. dammit. maybe i’ll push thru after all.

Fizzles, Sunday, 6 November 2022 16:04 (two months ago) link

I liked the way this episode didn't force the plot forward, just people doing stuff, bit of a reveal or two. Also appreciated how they didn't even attempt to explain the intertemporal hacker battle (who was that guy anyway?).

TWELVE Michelob stars?!? (seandalai), Sunday, 6 November 2022 18:46 (two months ago) link

Black female bad guy bee assassination scene felt REAL dumb

calstars, Sunday, 6 November 2022 19:17 (two months ago) link

Lol, I found it pretty entertaining as OTT diabolical bad guy stuff

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Sunday, 6 November 2022 21:50 (two months ago) link

I kind of wish they’d left the Jackpot thing fuzzier, too. Throwing specific events in really isn’t necessary right now, I’d think, after the last few years demonstrating how emergent events can go sideways

mh, Sunday, 6 November 2022 22:18 (two months ago) link

execution by bee scene was quite effective in telling you exactly who this character is

TWELVE Michelob stars?!? (seandalai), Sunday, 6 November 2022 23:38 (two months ago) link

there are two kinds of people in the world

TWELVE Michelob stars?!? (seandalai), Sunday, 6 November 2022 23:38 (two months ago) link

those who execute people with bees and those who are executed by bees

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 6 November 2022 23:50 (two months ago) link

what was the point of flynne being present for the eye thing? couldn’t aelita say “hey, this is going to be pretty intense, log off for a few hours”?

scanner darkly, Monday, 7 November 2022 01:42 (two months ago) link

there are two kinds of people in the world

― TWELVE Michelob stars?!? (seandalai), Sunday, November 6, 2022 6:38 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

those who execute people with bees and those who are executed by bees

― Tracer Hand

Type A personalities

And

Type Bee personalities

blissfully unawarewolf (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 7 November 2022 02:15 (two months ago) link

I liked the way this episode didn't force the plot forward, just people doing stuff, bit of a reveal or two. Also appreciated how they didn't even attempt to explain the intertemporal hacker battle (who was that guy anyway?).

― TWELVE Michelob stars?!? (seandalai), Sunday, 6 November 2022 18:46 (six days ago) bookmarkflaglink/

This week kind of the same, but replace unexplained hacker battle with unexplained martial arts skills (maybe peripherals come with preinstalled fighting software?)

TWELVE Michelob stars?!? (seandalai), Saturday, 12 November 2022 23:10 (two months ago) link

Presumably she’s spent years playing VR-ish martial arts fighting games and was able to adapt that to peripheral-existence. A good fight scene - as was the bridge scene.

but also fuck you (unperson), Saturday, 12 November 2022 23:46 (two months ago) link

This show is dumb as fuck

calstars, Sunday, 13 November 2022 00:11 (two months ago) link

yeah it started out on a good note but this last episode is just dumb as shit, why are they wasting half the episode on this obnoxious hit man bullshit it's trash

Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Sunday, 13 November 2022 05:15 (two months ago) link

This sounds intriguing but I can’t trust it with my time after Westworld

Chuck_Tatum, Sunday, 13 November 2022 10:53 (two months ago) link

It's simultaneously more approachable than Westworld or Expanse, whilst having even more unnecessarily convoluted lore behind it than those productions.

Feels more warmly human, I guess. Of these shows I think I like Peripheral better, if only because it has some likable people in it. I guess I am a softy.

One can root for Flynne, Wilf, or Burton in a way you never quite could for Dolores, Bernard, or Maeve.

Probably the show will find a way to kick me in the emotional nads, now that I have said that. It's 2022; I should know by now that we don't get heartwarming entertainment anymore.

iliac crestfallen (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 13 November 2022 11:29 (two months ago) link

Expanse had nothing but likable people!

dan selzer, Sunday, 13 November 2022 14:27 (two months ago) link

Purple bass face

calstars, Sunday, 13 November 2022 14:32 (two months ago) link

So many of the changes from the novel—Cherise, Wilf as a fixer, Pickett as a Stephen King baddie rather than a Justified one—seem primarily to re-center this as an action thriller. But it’s not as though Gibson’s work is lacking in action! It just tends to be more low-key, dismissed in a few sentences. I began the novel after the second episode and it’s really made me think less of the show, though I still do like elements. I feel as though I know exactly where this is going, though: peripheral gun-fu fights that culminate in Flynne et al preventing the nuke/jackpot in their stub in traditional action movie style.

blatherskite, Sunday, 13 November 2022 19:19 (two months ago) link

It was hot, the night we burned roast beef till it was the color of television…

Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 22 November 2022 18:49 (two months ago) link

i also left it too long to watch the last ep or two and can't remember what a koid or neoprim or whatever else named people are

kinder, Wednesday, 23 November 2022 21:17 (two months ago) link

Polts and kleps and sims, oh my!

ooh I wanna take ya to Topeka (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 23 November 2022 22:04 (two months ago) link

If I was watching correctly they barely explained neoprims and koids not at all.

TWELVE Michelob stars?!? (seandalai), Thursday, 24 November 2022 01:22 (two months ago) link

Not yet, no. Probably this week.

but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 24 November 2022 01:42 (two months ago) link

Neoprims seems to be like... luddites? Am I right?

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 24 November 2022 01:52 (two months ago) link

The book is slow to kick off because Gibson does that for like 150 pages, introduces terms and names and gives you no explanation at all for any of them

Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Friday, 25 November 2022 05:27 (two months ago) link

I’m going to drop this show. Another gratuitous action sequence, more time spent on dull characters like Tommy and the assassin. Despite being the protagonist, Flynne doesn’t get to do much. And so many plot conveniences: why didn’t their monitoring drones catch the assassin waiting out? Why have a single dude escort the mom after last week’s attack? A rural clinic in drug country without security? Hell, a drug lord didn’t have at least one goon in the house with the prisoner and his wife?

I recall reading press before the show that Gibson had a lot of support for the adaptation, loved it, etc., but you gotta figure that’s just "getting behind the product”; I can’t imagine him watching this and thinking, “Yes, this gets to the essence of my novel." I guess even Stephen King has to wait a few years before saying, "this sucked" re: adaptations.

blatherskite, Friday, 25 November 2022 20:15 (two months ago) link

The beat-em-up sim was utterly pointless but idk otherwise it was the same show it's been: inscrutable characters who know more than we do, blank slates who know less than we do, a ~~mystery~~, big statues.

TWELVE Michelob stars?!? (seandalai), Saturday, 26 November 2022 00:24 (two months ago) link

I can’t even believe people made it to ep whatever— after the first three, we stopped watching. Utterly stupid, and we like stupid tv shows in this house.

Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Saturday, 26 November 2022 13:28 (two months ago) link

Yeah I think I made it to ep 3

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 26 November 2022 13:29 (two months ago) link

I'm definitely not loving it. It is making me want to re-read the book, though, from a "I remember liking this...maybe I should re-check my conclusions" perspective.

but also fuck you (unperson), Saturday, 26 November 2022 14:33 (two months ago) link

would be up for a list of stupid tv recommendations from tables (or anyone else)

TWELVE Michelob stars?!? (seandalai), Saturday, 26 November 2022 16:21 (two months ago) link

would be up for a list of stupid tv recommendations from tables (or anyone else)

Ever watched Banshee? It's streaming through HBO Max now. (CW: a whole fuckin' lot of blood. Also some incest.)

but also fuck you (unperson), Saturday, 26 November 2022 16:28 (two months ago) link

another HBO Max show we love that is very stupid is Wellington Paranormal, which is about two idiot cops investigating paranormal events in New Zealand. horrible dad jokes and that kind of thing.

as i’ve gotten older, i’ve discovered that the 25 minute sitcom is one if my preferred viewing lengths/ experiences. funny enough, one of my other favorites is the long, drawn-out, molasses pacing of many art films. feathers or stones, i guess.

Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Saturday, 26 November 2022 17:06 (two months ago) link

wellington paranormal is the best!

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 26 November 2022 17:42 (two months ago) link

ty will check out

TWELVE Michelob stars?!? (seandalai), Sunday, 27 November 2022 01:34 (two months ago) link

Having watched the season finale I am going to wall off this stub and go back to the one in which only the book exists.

but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 2 December 2022 15:22 (two months ago) link

I kinda checked out of this series, it threw loads of interesting ideas at me at the start and I feel it petered out a bit, too much of the 'kill all the level bosses' type stuff. Worth reading the book tho??

kinder, Wednesday, 7 December 2022 11:04 (one month ago) link

Evidently had already been lost/not paying attention, but totally didn't realise that last week's was the final episode?! Quite enjoyed the first four or five, but then it just squandered any promise or momentum it had.

Piedie Gimbel, Wednesday, 7 December 2022 16:16 (one month ago) link

Worth reading the book tho??

The book has a beginning, middle, and an end, which already puts it well ahead of the series. Plus, if you've watched some, you won't be as confused by Gibson's drop-you-in-cold style.

but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 7 December 2022 16:27 (one month ago) link

I finished the book last week and quite enjoyed it, though the climax is a bit lackluster (won't spoil why). I found the writing took a moment to get used to, as well: Gibson changed his to terse, subject-dropping sentences ala James Ellroy. For example, rather than writing "Flynne woke up, walked over to the computer and turned it on," it's now "Flynne woke up. Walked to the computer, turned it on". (I haven't read the Blue Ant trilogy, so maybe that change predates The Peripheral.)

blatherskite, Wednesday, 7 December 2022 17:07 (one month ago) link

He’s always had a taste for the hard-boiled

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 7 December 2022 17:33 (one month ago) link

i notice there's a TV company called Blue Ant now, caught their logo on the end of something

koogs, Wednesday, 7 December 2022 20:32 (one month ago) link

One more episode so I’ll finish it but this hasn’t seemed bad-bad to me, just aggressively mediocre.

Thought the Blue Ant books had many more interesting ideas of the near-future than these two, and probably better for TV… but they wouldn’t require a massive CGI budget so less likely to get a green light.

papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 7 December 2022 20:51 (one month ago) link

I enjoyed this? I thought visually the wordbuilding looked awesome. Wasnt massively invested in Flynne's family and they were way too sketchy explaining their backstory for too long, but yeah it was fine to me. Not a huge amount ended up happening but re the book's "beginning, middle and end" - cmon this is a 1st season. Why does everyone expect everything to happen all at once these days.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 7 December 2022 21:47 (one month ago) link

There are some dumb holes - the haptics are so strong Flynn's brother almost killed a guy because of a slight against someone else 15 years ago, they're constantly aware of each other... but when one dies violently they don't know unless they check (also yeah, one guard when they know someone wants them dead enough to send a super assassin).

papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 7 December 2022 22:06 (one month ago) link

maybe the haptics need an upgrade after 15 years

The Beatles were the first to popularize wokeism (President Keyes), Thursday, 8 December 2022 15:09 (one month ago) link

Watched all of it over the past week here. Now I haven't read the book yet (don't give me grief, I can't get to everything), but while parts of it were annoying/frustrating, I kinda appreciated it as an ominous mood piece at its best (the credits music helped in that regard). The fact that the local US crime lord guy was like an elevated Ben Gazzara from Road House did amuse me a bit, but also meant I couldn't entirely take that whole arc seriously; I kept waiting for him to throw a full pool party. I guess I'm also aware of enough general tropes and used to imaginative fiction in general that whatever I didn't quite catch or understand as it went I handwaved.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 12 December 2022 00:22 (one month ago) link

Disappointing ending - instead of trying to fight back against the silo attack I'll just... make one of my two friends in the world execute me and let my mother think I'm dead for the last week of her life?

Given that she'll be walking around future London in the same body, I don't know if that's a particularly effective camouflage from the RI.

papal hotwife (milo z), Monday, 12 December 2022 00:28 (one month ago) link

We didn't actually see her get shot so....

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Monday, 12 December 2022 02:08 (one month ago) link

the ending was so puzzling and vague as to what's going on it was probably intended to be a big teaser for the next season but I just found it dissatisfying

mh, Monday, 12 December 2022 16:38 (one month ago) link

I felt like it was meant to be vague in case there is no Second Season

The Beatles were the first to popularize wokeism (President Keyes), Monday, 12 December 2022 16:40 (one month ago) link

also a strong possibility!

mh, Monday, 12 December 2022 16:40 (one month ago) link

I had to concentrate REALLY hard to get what was happening in that last ep!
- she realises she and her stub are for the chop
- her solution is to use some kind of portal to... make a new stub and jump into it?
- leave old body in initial stub, get shot to throw off Cherise and her goons
- but wait how does all this work if her body's dead, what is piloting the body in the new stub halp?!

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 12 December 2022 21:47 (one month ago) link

Addendum: is it the new stub's version of herself? Oh god this is convoluted.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 12 December 2022 21:49 (one month ago) link

it's kind of a mess

there isn't stub-hopping, at least not in the book. the only thing that they could really do is contact a completely different Flynne earlier in the timeline and explain the whole thing to a different version of her

mh, Monday, 12 December 2022 21:51 (one month ago) link

This is the kind of bullshit you get when you get the Westworld people involved. Next season we'll get a whole bunch of "but what about the peripheral's emotions?" crap, probably.

but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 12 December 2022 21:56 (one month ago) link

- but wait how does all this work if her body's dead, what is piloting the body in the new stub halp?!

I guess the assumption is that her consciousness can live forever in the future in her robot - but they spent two episodes earlier talking about how the guy with no legs would have to be in a medically induced coma forever to do that.

papal hotwife (milo z), Monday, 12 December 2022 22:03 (one month ago) link

I still maintain that they ran out of Westworld ideas after two seasons and just started reusing other plot scraps they had laying around. There's an entire season that seemed more like a spinoff of Person of Interest

mh, Monday, 12 December 2022 22:05 (one month ago) link

I think the idea is:
- Create a new stub that branches off the old stub
- New Flynne has the same memories as Old Flynne up to the branching point, so she generally knows what's up
- Old Flynne gets shot, is dead
- Sharice realises there's no point blowing up the old stub because Old Flynne is dead (and the old stub still has value for the RI). Sharice knows there is a new stub with a New Flynne but doesn't know where it is so can't mess with it.

that's the best I can do at least, may be totally wrong

TWELVE Michelob stars?!? (seandalai), Tuesday, 13 December 2022 01:51 (one month ago) link

ooh a stub off a stub, that’s a wrinkle (in time and space)

I think the now-destroyed stub map may have had one of those

mh, Tuesday, 13 December 2022 01:54 (one month ago) link

I'm still going with old Flynne isn't actually dead. It's nearly an unbreakable TV rule that an implied death with no body will be a fake out.

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Tuesday, 13 December 2022 02:20 (one month ago) link

they sent back the files to 3D print a peripheral in 2032 maybe and that's what got shot?

it wasn't a stub of her stub, she started the new one before her friend got Lt. Danned (2028 IIRC)

papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 13 December 2022 02:31 (one month ago) link

NONE OF THIS IS HELPING lol

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 13 December 2022 05:04 (one month ago) link

none of it is worth watching either, tbf

Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Tuesday, 13 December 2022 12:17 (one month ago) link

did you ever find out why the roads are glossy and transparent in the future?

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 14 December 2022 16:12 (one month ago) link

Isn't a lot of that just AR sort of stuff?

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 15 December 2022 07:25 (one month ago) link

one month passes...

So I'm reading the book. About 10% of the plot has been translated to the TV show but so much is different - does the show cover any later books in this series?

If I was watching correctly they barely explained neoprims and koids not at all.

About 95% of the way through the book they finally explain what e.g. 'Homes' means that they have been using throughout - obv you can guess but it's kind of lol he then bothers to set it out.

kinder, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 22:53 (two days ago) link

There's only been one more (Agency) in the series, it's not touched at all in the show (and wouldn't make much sense as season 2 with the way they handled things).

papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 22:55 (two days ago) link


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