It's So Noisy at the Fair: The Diabetic Thread

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I started ozempic a week ago. No side effects at this dose. It really does switch off the food noise in your head. I have a terrible addiction to sweet drinks and I was really stressed about the process of quitting but I was immediately able to cut down to half a can of coke a day (that’s mostly for the headache I get every day from quitting the caffeine in coke).

just1n3, Saturday, 26 August 2023 20:18 (one year ago) link

Look for some sugar-free iced tea if you can:

https://assets.shop.loblaws.ca/products/20324399/b1/en/side/20324399_side_a06.png

That's Canadian, but you might be able to get something similar. No sugar, no carbohydrates, no calories.

That's great about the rice--will try that.

clemenza, Saturday, 26 August 2023 20:33 (one year ago) link

(Oops--the photo is of the regular, not the sugar-free.)

clemenza, Saturday, 26 August 2023 20:34 (one year ago) link

x-post

The cooling / reheating rice thing also works for dried pasta, fwiw. For both, you'll obvs get the best effects the more you rinse and drain the excess starches.

Usually stick to ILM and didn't realize there was a Diabetes thread on here.

Tried Ozempic not long after it hit the market-- I have a cousin who's pretty high-up at Novo Nordisk. Attempted to titrate up to the minimum therapeutic dose, but I ended up doing only 50% of that dose every other week-- so, essentially, 1/4 of what was the established clinical minimum effective dose-- and it made me so violently ill and nauseous that I contacted my Endo to discontinue after 8 weeks. Dropped 14 lbs, and my blood sugar was never over 110.

So, it *worked*, but the cost to quality of life and overall health did not make it worth it for me. Godspeed to folks who can tolerate it well, though.

jon_oh, Saturday, 26 August 2023 20:34 (one year ago) link

I drink SO MUCH unsweetened iced tea. Pure Leaf is my favorite but Gold Peak is pretty good too.

read-only (unperson), Saturday, 26 August 2023 20:52 (one year ago) link

I’m not American so the cold tea thing is unpalatable to me. I love sweet and milky English breakfast in winter but I use Lakanto for that because it tastes exactly like real sugar - I absolutely hate the taste of artificial sweeteners and stevia.

just1n3, Saturday, 26 August 2023 20:58 (one year ago) link

many x-posts

I didn't really like brown rice either, but I found that cooking it in an instapot pressure cooker (rather than my regular rice cooker) significantly improved the taste. YMMV obv.

Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 26 August 2023 22:25 (one year ago) link

B-b-but what about cauliflower rice?

The Thin, Wild Mercury Rising (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 26 August 2023 22:37 (one year ago) link

it’s good but i think i’d rather just eat chunks of cauliflower

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 26 August 2023 22:48 (one year ago) link

Justine I'm so glad the ozempic's been ok for you so far!
I'm still on the 0.25 dose and my guts seem to be settling down. Wether that's because I'm intentionally cautious with portion control now I'm not sure. My sugars arent quite as under control as I'd like but I'm speaking to the diabetes clinic again on tuesday and they might just tell me to up the metformin (I'm only taking 1000mg)

Yes I'd read about the cooled carbs/resistant starch thing too! As it happens I often eat rice after its been cooked and fridged anyway, so thats good. I guess I could try Doongara rice too but I do like basmati the most.

B is fine now after his weird hypo incident and we really dont know why that happened. I mean the cause was there (booze after no food all day) but hes done that before to no ill effect? OH well. Bodies , hey.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Sunday, 27 August 2023 00:25 (one year ago) link

glad he’s ok Trayce - scary thing to happen!

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 27 August 2023 00:32 (one year ago) link

Oh! BTW after your pasta find upthread Veg I went looking and found we have one here too:

https://cdn0.woolworths.media/content/wowproductimages/medium/117547.jpg

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Sunday, 27 August 2023 00:43 (one year ago) link

oh good!

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 27 August 2023 00:51 (one year ago) link

Diabetes humor!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsMqZFvvIxQ

read-only (unperson), Wednesday, 30 August 2023 00:23 (one year ago) link

I bought some Chapman's no-sugar-added ice cream:

https://voila.ca/images-v3/2d92d19c-0354-49c0-8a91-5260ed0bf531/6bb107e2-bd28-4504-9777-4bcf884302c5/500x500.jpg

Does that seem reasonable for someone with Type II (and levels that seem to be stable in the 5.5-6.0 range)?

clemenza, Wednesday, 30 August 2023 01:55 (one year ago) link

seems like it would be ok! caveat: as long as sugar alcohol doesn’t have an adverse effect on your digestion

i generally avoid myself as they reliably give me anything from bloating/cramps to full on diarrhea

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 30 August 2023 02:43 (one year ago) link

My problem with all the sugarfree/low fat snacks is they all use gross shit like sorbitol or stevia and idc what anyone says I can TELL. I dont like the taste :(

Even monkfruit sugar has a bit of a funny aftertaste.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 30 August 2023 05:01 (one year ago) link

yeah same

the only one i can handle (in small amounts) is erythritol

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 30 August 2023 05:20 (one year ago) link

Yeah I think thats the monkfruit one. I can do a flat spoonful in a cuppa thats about it. A good thing anyway, that shiz is pricey!

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 30 August 2023 06:58 (one year ago) link

I think maybe I have PTSD from my highschool best friend whose family all guzzled old-school diet coke and ate nothing but nugs.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 30 August 2023 06:59 (one year ago) link

I’m supposed to be testing my fasting blood sugar every morning but the first time I did it, it was 273dl/mg which didn’t seem right, but my monitor didn’t come with any control solution so I couldn’t be sure. The solution finally arrived, the monitor is apparently working correctly, so I tested today and it was 274 :/

just1n3, Wednesday, 30 August 2023 07:44 (one year ago) link

Yeah thats quite high :( dont worry, it can go up cos of stress, cos of starchy food... and the meds will take a while, it took me like at least 3 weeks on the metformin.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 30 August 2023 10:07 (one year ago) link

yeah trayce otm - it’s scary at first bc the numbers feel like a judgement or some kind of failure etc but try to remember they’re only data points for a moment in tume, you’re starting to do the things that are needed to help get your #’s down but it can take time. chin up, keep at it

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 30 August 2023 14:59 (one year ago) link

Yeah I guess I knew it would still be high but my diet has been so drastically different the last 3 weeks I thought it wouldn’t be *that* high.

When I googled the number the results were like “that is super bad” but lol I feel the same as I always feel, which is “normal” at this point.

just1n3, Wednesday, 30 August 2023 16:11 (one year ago) link

I don't know what that 274 number means...the only one I understand is the finger-prick number.

I tried the ice cream last night--thought it was quite good. I just have to discipline myself to stop after seven or eight spoonfuls.

clemenza, Wednesday, 30 August 2023 16:20 (one year ago) link

it's the same test, divide the reading in mg/dl by 18 to convert to mmol/L

k3vin k., Wednesday, 30 August 2023 16:41 (one year ago) link

Meaning 274 = 15.2 for a finger-prick?

clemenza, Thursday, 31 August 2023 01:56 (one year ago) link

for a blood sugar measurement, yeah

k3vin k., Thursday, 31 August 2023 02:25 (one year ago) link

Best home-reading in a month, 5.3. I've cheated here and there...these things are very unpredictable.

clemenza, Friday, 1 September 2023 00:41 (one year ago) link

Past couple days I've felt a little "off" at various points during the day (particularly the morning), and my natural assumption for these situations now is "huh I bet my sugar's low." But then I tested (finger-prick) and it was just fine, so maybe I'm just coming down with a bug.

The instinct to immediately assume every little thing is diabetes-related is something I'm still learning to navigate.

ⓓⓡ (Johnny Fever), Friday, 1 September 2023 01:58 (one year ago) link

yeah same, the added complications of pms & perimenopause blood sugar spikes & hot flashes & shit is like, ok it could literally be ANYTHING

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 1 September 2023 02:13 (one year ago) link

Danish pharma giant Novo Nordisk, who commercializes Wegovy / Ozempic in the US, has reached 300B on the stock exchange, relatively close to the national GDP (380B). The pharmaceutical sector contributes to a third of Denmark's GDP, pushing up the balance of payments and the value of the Danish Krone compared to the euro, thus forcing their central bank to a range of actions to avoid currency inflation. Some commentators are making comparisons to Finland's Nokia in terms of structural importance and impact of hypothetical downfall.

Nabozo, Friday, 1 September 2023 08:10 (one year ago) link

Ugh I increased my metformin to 1500 last night, and stupidly also decided I'd have a few drinks. This morning I am SO SO NAUSEOUS.

And in more rage enducing news, my Ozempic needs refilling and the local pharmacy has none and says the shortage means its been v low in stock. Worried I wont find any before I need it on monday. Thanks, instabitches.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 7 September 2023 22:12 (one year ago) link

Shit, all the weirdos looking for miracle cures are now saying Metformin might curb your chances of getting Long Covid if you get Covid, so I hope there's not a run on it making it harder to get.

jfc people wear a fuckin mask and wash your hands!

ⓓⓡ (Johnny Fever), Friday, 8 September 2023 04:19 (one year ago) link

Oh, and get vaccinated duh

ⓓⓡ (Johnny Fever), Friday, 8 September 2023 04:20 (one year ago) link

The TGA here wont approve off-script use of Ozempic at least (you cant get it for nything but diabeets) but its still hard to get :(

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 8 September 2023 04:25 (one year ago) link

Feel like I'm really beating myself up/being too hard on myself with all this lately. Vexing over my glucose levels too often, fretting if I eat a spoon of rice or have that extra vodka. I know its not healthy and I am trying to let it stress me less but ugh.

I have been put into this pilot program being run out of Royal Melb Hospital where they are getting onto ppl newly diagnosed with T2, to give them loads of extra support (educators, regular checkups/bloods, dieticians, exercise support etc) with the aim of seeing if intense work + weight loss will put it in remission. I'm greatful for the program - it costs me nothing but the time for the apppointments! - but now I feel this pressure to constantly be Dudley Do-Right as a result :(

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 14 September 2023 07:21 (one year ago) link

I’ve been really struggling the last couple weeks too. Food has been stressing me out so much, so I’ve been living off protein bars and protein shakes instead of thinking about it. I caught a respiratory virus of some kind and I think that just sapped all my energy. I haven’t had a cold in years and I haven’t had Covid yet (despite jordan bringing it home from Finland last year), so I’d forgotten how miserable it is.

Some good news: I’m down from 274 to 163.

just1n3, Friday, 15 September 2023 12:52 (one year ago) link

HI DERE! My A1C this year crept up to the top end of prediabetic. Doctor told me to lose weight before she even saw the result. Been riding a bike every day and doing intermittent fasting and am indeed losing, hoping I can keep it up. Trying to watch what I eat, it’s kind of depressing to look at packaging and see what’s really in everything. Also learning about glycemic is index and glycemic load, there is one website at the University of Sydney started by the woman who wrote the book on this stuff I have been looking at: https://glycemicindex.com/

The Thin, Wild Mercury Rising (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 15 September 2023 13:25 (one year ago) link

My friend who is in a similar boat wears an armband that measures his GMI.

The Thin, Wild Mercury Rising (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 15 September 2023 13:26 (one year ago) link

Glucose Management Indicator

The Thin, Wild Mercury Rising (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 15 September 2023 13:26 (one year ago) link

Dr. Jennie Brand-Miller. Also have her book, The Low GI Handbook.

The Thin, Wild Mercury Rising (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 15 September 2023 14:09 (one year ago) link

Last night I went to see some jazz at a newish place called Canary Club way down on Broome near Essex and Delancey and stared daggers at the order of french fries at the next table while I drank my water. Music was great though.

The Thin, Wild Mercury Rising (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 15 September 2023 14:12 (one year ago) link

Although actually the intermittent fasting seems to be suppressing my nighttime appetite. I read something about hormonal entrainment and the growth hormone with a funny name that starts with g for growth.

The Thin, Wild Mercury Rising (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 15 September 2023 14:14 (one year ago) link

I guess most people just call the growth hormone the Growth Hormone or just GH.

The Thin, Wild Mercury Rising (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 15 September 2023 14:21 (one year ago) link

I'm so impressed by the Rapid Remission program I'm in, even if its meant an endless parade of appointments right when I can least fit it in cos of work crazy. Saw a dietician today, and he was so nice and so helpful and encouraging. Now I have some cocrete goals for kj, protien and carb intake, when and how to get away with a cheeky food, and what to expect. I feel very blessed that our country does things like this at no cost to me.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 21 September 2023 23:53 (one year ago) link

can you share the stuff you found most helpful?

i was given a free consult w a dietitian through my doctor & they never returned my calls grr

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 22 September 2023 00:12 (one year ago) link

Giving me specific daily amounts of carbs/protein/kj to aim for (which is likely to be weight/age specific but he said 5000kj, 80-100g protien and no more than 130g carbs), getting me to go into detail about what I've been eating, being able to ask if its ok if i occasionally have rice or sneak a bit of pizza, how to mitigate it all etc and him just telling me I'm doing everything right - except not getting enough protien lol he says I should be aiming for 80-100 or more a day, Im not vegetarian but I dont eat any red mean really so I guess I need to up my tuna and salmon intake.

The basic takeaway also was "try a bit of a no no food, and measure yr BG before and after - if it doesnt spike more than 3 mmol/L then its probably ok".
So if you're 6 and it goes to 9 thats ok. If youre 6 and it goes to 11 or 12 you know that was taking the piss. But its ok if that only happens once in a while.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 22 September 2023 00:27 (one year ago) link

Sorry thats in the AU measures, 6 = 108 in the othe scale right?

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 22 September 2023 00:28 (one year ago) link

BTW 500kj is low. I'm aiming for weight plateau or loss, not maintenance. Thats part of this study I think, the science seems to be there that controlled rapid weight loss can knock it on the head?

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 22 September 2023 00:29 (one year ago) link


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