Here's another clue for you all - GLASS ONION: A KNIVES OUT MYSTERY -- dir. Rian Johnson; Daniel Craig, Edward Norton, Kate Hudson, Dave Bautista, Janelle Monáe, etc etc

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this was a lot of fun, not as neat as the first one but entertaining

loved the anticlimatic scene where blanc ruined the gillian flynn plot

daniel craig is hilarious, I wonder if it's the gravitas that comes with age that allows him to be so funny, or if he was always very funny

corrs unplugged, Friday, 23 December 2022 22:23 (one year ago) link

He's good in Logan Lucky (with a similar accent), though some of that is that he seems dangerous in the film as well - the lightness and fussiness is new, I think?

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 23 December 2022 22:45 (one year ago) link

Film is great. A LOT of stuff to giggle at, like the red Solo cup given to the assistant

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Saturday, 24 December 2022 02:14 (one year ago) link


werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 24 December 2022 06:35 (one year ago) link

this was terrific, just highly enjoyable from start to finish. Craig & Monae, MAGIC!

also RMDE at all the balloonheads on twitter who were breathlessly calling White Lotus a “mystery” or a “whodunnit” when ~THIS~ exists, like stfu you dopes

i def want to watch it again & luxuriate in the enjoyableness

and this is only a small matter but man i love seeing kate hudson deployed correctly. she was great.

also lol at the burnout dude chilling in his room to Little River Band’s “Cool Change”. A+

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 24 December 2022 07:36 (one year ago) link

My older daughter hadn't seen it yet, so most of us watched it again and enjoyed watching her watch it for the first time.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 24 December 2022 14:09 (one year ago) link

I also loved this. My only complaint is that I didn’t bug that a governor running a progressive Senate campaign would willingly jump on a party call with a boner pill meathead, let alone go on a weekend retreat with him

castanuts (DJP), Saturday, 24 December 2022 14:20 (one year ago) link

*believe, I don’t know how that ended up as “bug”

castanuts (DJP), Saturday, 24 December 2022 14:23 (one year ago) link

She knows there was ZERO rhino in those pills

more crankable (sic), Saturday, 24 December 2022 14:24 (one year ago) link

I know there are a million little details like it, but I caught how Duke's holster had the Gadsden snake and "DTOM" printed on it.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 24 December 2022 14:35 (one year ago) link

I liked how they dispatched with COVID as a concern. (Ethan Hawke: "You're good.") I was distracted in the first few minutes by people who seemed to work for Kathryn Hahn not wearing masks at her house.

jaymc, Saturday, 24 December 2022 15:24 (one year ago) link

Very nice “oh she’s off putting out some fire” gag

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Saturday, 24 December 2022 16:35 (one year ago) link

birdie’s mask being just netting was hilar

Duke’s Mom boredly solving all the puzzles was great too “…Fibonacci”

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 24 December 2022 17:08 (one year ago) link

Birdie's mask was one-upping Lana Del Rey

more crankable (sic), Saturday, 24 December 2022 18:10 (one year ago) link


werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 24 December 2022 19:14 (one year ago) link

Enjoyed this more than I thought I would. Laughed out loud several times, while watching it alone on a laptop wearing headphones.

but also fuck you (unperson), Sunday, 25 December 2022 01:03 (one year ago) link

Oh that’s good. Couldn’t put my finger on it when it happened.

BlackIronPrison, Sunday, 25 December 2022 01:53 (one year ago) link

maybe my favorite reference in Glass Onion

— Dave Itzkoff (@ditzkoff) December 23, 2022

BlackIronPrison, Sunday, 25 December 2022 01:54 (one year ago) link

oh shit

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 25 December 2022 01:59 (one year ago) link


werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 25 December 2022 02:13 (one year ago) link


G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Sunday, 25 December 2022 02:37 (one year ago) link

Ha, was just reading about that:

That contagious fun was evident when Norton completely surprised Johnson by appearing on set for a flashback scene dressed exactly how Tom Cruise looked playing macho motivational speaker Frank T.J. Mackey in Paul Thomas Anderson's 1999 movie "Magnolia," complete with shoulder-length hair and a black leather vest over a velvet shirt with the top buttons undone. Norton's idea was that his billionaire character, Miles Bron, is so unoriginal that he would copy the look from a movie he just watched.

"He and Jenny Eagan, our costume designer, came up with the look and I had no idea," Johnson said. "I started cracking up. But then I thought, 'Is this too much?' I also thought, 'What is Paul going to think of this?' Hopefully he takes it in the right spirit."

jaymc, Sunday, 25 December 2022 02:51 (one year ago) link

So! This was...fine. Not anywhere as satisfying as the first one.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 25 December 2022 13:56 (one year ago) link

Hudson and Monae were MVPs.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 25 December 2022 13:57 (one year ago) link

whenever i watch a rian johnson film i feel like i’m in the hands of a very good filmmaker and i especially felt that when the lights went out

less sure i’m always in the hands of a good writer, the story doubling back on itself kinda gave me a headache, and i only accept ludicrous twin sister reveals in horror movies and pretty little liars

hudson and bautista were excellent

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Sunday, 25 December 2022 17:21 (one year ago) link

The doubling back annoyed me too, worth it (for a while) to watch Monae give serious movie star vibes.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 25 December 2022 17:24 (one year ago) link

Bautista is an underrated actor. If he looked just 10-15% more human he could follow The Rock's path and be a man for all markets.

but also fuck you (unperson), Sunday, 25 December 2022 17:29 (one year ago) link

Monae’s acting was a real surprise to me too, also she’s super adorbs in this film.

Lord Pickles (Boring, Maryland), Sunday, 25 December 2022 17:31 (one year ago) link


Fash Gordon (Neanderthal), Sunday, 25 December 2022 17:36 (one year ago) link

I'm no doubt alone in thinking so, but I've always found Norton hot and more so as he's hollowed out with age.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 25 December 2022 17:43 (one year ago) link

funny thing is he always struck me as phony as an actor around his American History X days but I've grown to enjoy him much more in his later career.

Fash Gordon (Neanderthal), Sunday, 25 December 2022 17:45 (one year ago) link

I thought he was the real deal as early as Primal Fear and I loved him in Everyone Says I Love You but I never thought about him twice until the late '00s.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 25 December 2022 17:47 (one year ago) link

He was fun in "Moonlight Kingdom." In some ways he's the most insufferable when he's doing Serious Acting, and the most enjoyable when he's doing silly character stuff (like this or Wes Anderson or iirc "Birdman").

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 25 December 2022 18:02 (one year ago) link

yeah josh otm i feel the same way,

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 25 December 2022 18:11 (one year ago) link

he was good in MOtherless Brooklyn (as an actor at least), even though the movie/adaptation wasn't good

Fash Gordon (Neanderthal), Sunday, 25 December 2022 18:12 (one year ago) link

and in The Grand Budapest Hotel.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 25 December 2022 18:52 (one year ago) link

This was our Christmas brunch movie with the kids, everyone enjoyed it. I agree it's more cartoony than the first one, although the first one was pretty silly too. The twin sister plot was creaky for sure, but it was also a relief because I was afraid for a minute that Monae was actually going to be out of the movie. I enjoyed getting to see her do so much. (Also agree she and Hudson were the clear standouts, aside from Craig.)

I don't think these are exactly great movies, but they're good entertainment. And the timing of this one hitting just as Elon Musk is showing his ass every day is pretty stellar. When Benoit Blanc goes into his rant about how Norton's character is actually just an idiot, who in the audience isn't thinking about Musk?

Thought this was a big improvement over the first, ie actually funny. Not sure it's worth any consideration beyond that but entertaining adult comedy w/ big names hamming it up is worth 2 hours of time.

papal hotwife (milo z), Sunday, 25 December 2022 20:06 (one year ago) link

I also agree he’s a better filmmaker than writer, he should get a good co-writer to punch up his scripts.

Was anyone expecting this one to be more than fun, or, for that matter, think the first one was aiming for more than fun? I thought they both were a blast, more or less grown up entertainments that are smart, unpretentious, well-made, fun for the whole family and bear (and seem designed for) repeat viewings. Couldn't ask for more, really, especially for a genre that's surprisingly hard to pull off, let alone a sequel with literally every single person watching closely, trying to figure it out in real time. It's a neat trick, surprising people perpetually primed for a surprise.

Fwiw, I thought the twin stuff was amusing for its pro forma audacity. It's such a murder mystery trope, but tackled here with some degree of novelty, imo.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 25 December 2022 20:55 (one year ago) link

yeah I enjoyed all of that, it’s definitely a movie that is mostly just celebrating the fun of its genre tropes & going a bit silly with it all

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 25 December 2022 22:27 (one year ago) link

who in the audience isn't thinking about Musk?

Or Sam Bankman-Fried, or for some us Liz Truss... it's been a weird year.

We rewatched it tonight, the writing really is amazing.

Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 25 December 2022 22:32 (one year ago) link

Watched this tonight. MVP is the costume designer, big laugh when Craig appeared in the blue and white striped top and revealed a moment later he was wearing matching shorts.

Dan Worsley, Monday, 26 December 2022 00:22 (one year ago) link

craig’s costuming was deliriously good

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Monday, 26 December 2022 00:38 (one year ago) link

So, is Blanc gay? A cameo by a Certain Star who acts as his boyfriend suggests so.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 26 December 2022 00:41 (one year ago) link


mh, Monday, 26 December 2022 00:54 (one year ago) link

that striped bathing suit was excellent

mh, Monday, 26 December 2022 00:56 (one year ago) link

cameo by a Certain Star who acts as his boyfriend suggests so.

That plus hollering Losing My Mind to himself in the car in Knives Out.

more crankable (sic), Monday, 26 December 2022 01:17 (one year ago) link

I did enjoy Derol’s introduction of just wandering thru things with a half-full 12-pack of coronas on the beach

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Monday, 26 December 2022 02:11 (one year ago) link

is there a breakdown of all the artwork?
i’d do a rewatch just to try & catch all of that

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 26 December 2022 02:19 (one year ago) link

man I thought about it a little and a high school chemistry teacher wouldn't be able to defeat a cartel, so now I don't like Breaking Bad anymore

fentanyl young (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 10 January 2023 19:09 (one year ago) link

they literally have this conversation in the movie iirc

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 10 January 2023 19:29 (one year ago) link

Extremely minor point but I appreciate that Benoit quoted the line "my God, it's full of stars" as being from 2010: The Year They Make Contact, not 2001 (I know it's in the book 2001, but more importantly it's not in the movie).

Yes! Also loved that.

bit high, bitch (gyac), Tuesday, 10 January 2023 19:34 (one year ago) link

even more extremely minor point, miles wasn't playing blackbird correctly, or at least not how mccartney plays it. maybe accidental, but the camera did linger on the fretting hand right at the pertinent moment.

ledge, Wednesday, 11 January 2023 09:00 (one year ago) link

thats when i knew who did it

mark s, Wednesday, 11 January 2023 09:28 (one year ago) link

i think one of the reasons i got taken out of this bc i watched with my parents and they found the internet jokes incomprehensible

― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, January 4, 2023 7:45 PM (one week ago) bookmarkflaglink

Yeah same, they didn't understand anything or know who the people being caricatured were.

pinefox and also dan SUPER otm about what makes mysteries interesting/good. Right after watching GO I thought about the really classic whodunnit and decided that the sleuth doesn't necessarily have MORE information than the others (or the reader) but they perceive/understand it differently, they're not misdirected by their expectations.

GO didn't give anything to go on and felt quite cold (funnily enough for being set on a mediterranean island). I loved the jokes but I didn't like any of the people.

Ima Gardener (in orbit), Wednesday, 11 January 2023 18:45 (one year ago) link

I loved the subversion of the puzzle box, how in so many stories solving it would be the WHOLE story, it would be impossibly convoluted, etc, whereas here it was shallow and took minutes. When Monae smashed hers in the garage I knew right away she was going to be the only sane one! Great moment. I thought it had great moments like that but kept getting in its own way.

Ima Gardener (in orbit), Wednesday, 11 January 2023 18:49 (one year ago) link

BB was way less of an idiot this time around, yeah? didn't love that.

death generator (lukas), Wednesday, 11 January 2023 19:29 (one year ago) link

I loved the jokes but I didn't like any of the people.

Yeah this was one of the key issues for me with GO. The Knives Out crew were equally reprehensible but they were flawed in a more relatable way and the film took care to give them some nice character moments e.g. Jamie Lee Curtis' relationship with her father; Meg the niece who is otherwise kind and reasonable as long as her own interests aren't being threatened; even Ransom was seen as somewhat sympathetic (or maybe we're just primed for that because he's being played by Captain America). I guess Peg and Whisky had their own moments too in GO but neither felt sufficiently fleshed out in comparison.

I also think KO was better served by having Marta as the main audience proxy rather than Benoit - it's much more fun watching how he works through someone else's eyes, plus we're constantly anxious for her so when the twist/reveal arrives, it's not just satisfactory but comes as a huge relief

Roz, Thursday, 12 January 2023 04:29 (one year ago) link

Roz: I agree, I think it's not so much that those characters are more likeable (though you're right), more that they cohere as a group. The GO group didn't seem like a group at all, but a random assortment.

in orbit: It would be fair to say that in a detective story the sleuth should NOT have more information than the reader - if they do it is 'unfair', according to the (laughable if you like) classical rules of the Detection Club et al. While such strict rules are absurd, I think this principle stands.

in orbit: "Yeah same, they didn't understand anything or know who the people being caricatured were." Nor do I. I think that the Miles Bron character might be like Elon Musk, but otherwise the characters didn't remind me of anyone in particular.

I feel much in agreement with those for whom character was a problem in GO.

the pinefox, Thursday, 12 January 2023 11:42 (one year ago) link

I think some of this is a proxy for the fact that the characters just stood out more in Knives Out - there wasn't really a lot for Leslie Odom Jr, or Katherine Hahn to do, they were slight variations on "dependent on Miles, but resentful of it" and without much screen time that couldn't have been amalgamated, the Thrombeys were more varied in their relationships with Harlan, and each other.

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 12 January 2023 20:49 (one year ago) link

“I’m not here!”

The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 21 January 2023 01:33 (one year ago) link

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