Here's another clue for you all - GLASS ONION: A KNIVES OUT MYSTERY -- dir. Rian Johnson; Daniel Craig, Edward Norton, Kate Hudson, Dave Bautista, Janelle Monáe, etc etc

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this one did a far worse job of setting up characters as the potential criminal. hahn and odom jr. had about as much potential of being the guilty party as birdie's assistant and that weed bum wanderer. by the midpoint death scenes you're left with only two options. there was a moment during blanc's decoding of the crime where he said "it's so dumb" and that's about where i was with this movie.

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Friday, 6 January 2023 06:28 (one year ago) link

I thought they were both pretty obvious from the moment they introduced the worst white guy possible. Zero chance anyone else would be the villain.

As mysteries both are pretty garbage.

papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 6 January 2023 06:48 (one year ago) link

had about as much potential

unless every single character in a movie is exactly equivalent wrt morality / depravity, the movie sucks and fails

more crankable (sic), Friday, 6 January 2023 07:00 (one year ago) link

I suspected the bum wanderer from the get-go

Vinnie, Friday, 6 January 2023 09:07 (one year ago) link

Crossing my fingers for an underrated aerosmith bootleg needle drop in the next one tbh

Funny you should say that...

In March of last year I was bugging Rian Johnson about stuff because I am a guy who if I have you in my phone and you're into some of the same things as me then you're likely to occasionally get texts that say, for example, RIAN HAVE YOU READ JEAN-PATRICK MANCHETTE HOLY CATS MAN GET AT ME. I was thinking of you, says Rian last March, you wanna help write some music for a TV show I'm doing? It's like Columbo. Kids of my generation have a Pavlovian pleasure response to any Columbo reference so I said yes of course I'm in. One thing led to another and then I wasn't just writing lyrics and melodies for the tunes in the episode (with big help on the musical side from Jamey Jasta) but also acting in it. I play a rock musician, because that's how rock musicians generally ease their way into total Hollywood domination. Inch/mile stuff. I made new friends on set and learned how TV shows get made, which is bonkers stuff, and complained a lot as I was learning the routine and then ended up having a really good time and you can watch all this starting January 26 on Peacock TV. #PokerFacePeacock

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 6 January 2023 09:24 (one year ago) link

Hot damn!

G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Friday, 6 January 2023 17:08 (one year ago) link


Tracer Hand, Friday, 6 January 2023 18:03 (one year ago) link

The craziest thing about that is (I have read elsewhere) JD wrote some of the music with Jamey Jasta of Hatebreed. Didn't know floor-punching breakdowns were part of his musical vocabulary, honestly.

but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 6 January 2023 18:47 (one year ago) link

i’m watching right now and good lord daniel craig is not good in this

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 7 January 2023 00:24 (one year ago) link

he's good at wearing little outfits

G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Saturday, 7 January 2023 00:36 (one year ago) link

Jean Patrick Manchette is great!!

ian, Saturday, 7 January 2023 00:43 (one year ago) link

it’s all pretty fuckin cute isn’t it? like he wandered in from a wes anderson movie


Tracer Hand, Saturday, 7 January 2023 00:44 (one year ago) link

have you gotten to his bathing costume yet

G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Saturday, 7 January 2023 00:52 (one year ago) link


Tracer Hand, Saturday, 7 January 2023 00:52 (one year ago) link

If that’s not enough to delight you I can’t help you

G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Saturday, 7 January 2023 00:54 (one year ago) link

his outfits are stupid i’m sorry. the character of “benoit blanc” is just kind of a gussied up nothing. it would have been nice to see someone do that role who isn’t needing to dedicate 40-60% of his mental powers to a pretty bad accent and the squinchy eyes that he thinks go with it

fun movie otherwise though

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 7 January 2023 01:12 (one year ago) link

joe bang > benoit blanc

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Saturday, 7 January 2023 01:23 (one year ago) link

the character of “benoit blanc” is just kind of a gussied up nothing.

isn't that the joke

papal hotwife (milo z), Saturday, 7 January 2023 01:23 (one year ago) link

i was thinking that as i wrote it but if so to what end

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 7 January 2023 01:26 (one year ago) link

The idea of the World's Greatest Detective is absurd, if you're going to have the WGD, Inspector Poirot in a crowd of contemporary American dirtbags, it would be strange if he wasn't as absurd as the concept.

papal hotwife (milo z), Saturday, 7 January 2023 01:33 (one year ago) link

This one was fine and the first one wasn't very good but they'd be completely unwatchable if the detective was played straight or given any kind of weight.

papal hotwife (milo z), Saturday, 7 January 2023 01:35 (one year ago) link

done better before, though

papal hotwife (milo z), Saturday, 7 January 2023 01:36 (one year ago) link

Murder by death an extremely racist movie

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Saturday, 7 January 2023 07:11 (one year ago) link

Also not funny when it's not being racist, just a parade of jokes dropping to the floor with a clang.

Andrew Farrell, Saturday, 7 January 2023 09:40 (one year ago) link

it’s fine for the character to be a gussied up nothing, a cipher or stand-in, but craig fills in the “blanc space” with a kind of…constipated modesty? which i guess he thinks is charming or interesting but is neither by my lights.

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 7 January 2023 09:58 (one year ago) link

Yeah as funny and racist as a drunk old uncle at a family dinner. Love Maggie Smith in it though

AlXTC from Paris, Saturday, 7 January 2023 09:59 (one year ago) link

xpost obviously

AlXTC from Paris, Saturday, 7 January 2023 10:00 (one year ago) link

“What is reality?!?” was really funny

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 7 January 2023 21:24 (one year ago) link

Five minutes in, and this is already fairly insane.

The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 7 January 2023 23:26 (one year ago) link

This was fun, but yeah, I probably prefer the first one.

The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 8 January 2023 01:47 (one year ago) link

I think I'm like them both about the same, for slightly different reasons.

Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Sunday, 8 January 2023 01:55 (one year ago) link

I appreciated how Miles’ friend “who was going through some things” was never revealed as some central part of this story. He was just a non-detail.

The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 8 January 2023 13:35 (one year ago) link

He was fun in "Moonlight Kingdom." In some ways he's the most insufferable when he's doing Serious Acting, and the most enjoyable when he's doing silly character stuff (like this or Wes Anderson or iirc "Birdman").

― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, December 25, 2022 12:02 PM (two weeks ago) bookmarkflaglink

He was the best past of “Birdman” and he was barely in it

The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 8 January 2023 13:42 (one year ago) link

xp he was just a good hang!

sault bae (voodoo chili), Sunday, 8 January 2023 13:48 (one year ago) link

I kinda suspected he wouldn't be, I thought it would be a hacky move to make that guy somehow relevant. Peg was the one I expected to hear more from, felt like that character was mostly there to deceive clever viewers who were going "you know what, I bet you anything it's the assistant"

frogbs, Sunday, 8 January 2023 18:07 (one year ago) link

i think she was mostly there to land the jokes about how birdie is not allowed to use her phone.

it seemed obvious to me from how all the characters were introduced that this was going not going to be an intricate whodunit and while i enjoyed it, it's using the pretext of the blanc character to tell a story about some other stuff. what johnson does with the third one will be interesting.

call all destroyer, Monday, 9 January 2023 03:15 (one year ago) link

I sense that I share a response with others. I was entertained, but don't like the film as much as KNIVES OUT. The Greek island setting already indicated a kind of decadence; I prefer cold autumnal New England. The characters didn't really belong together or interact particularly well. I was puzzled by how the obvious mastermind character, Miles Bron, was also the master villain, till I remembered that the theme was 'it's obvious, not complex' - hence the 'transparent' glass motif, replacing the knives motif I suppose. Echo of LINE OF DUTY last series ending here when the concept was 'an underwhelming person was the criminal mastermind'.

I think Janelle Monae acted well in that she performed sister 1, sister 2, and sister 2 pretending to be sister 1, and also being unsteadily drunk. Technically that seems to me a good demanding performance.

I started off with the impression of some buffoonery on Blanc's part but it seems to have been an act. By the end he is entirely composed. I like the way he does turn out to be brilliant at solving puzzles, notably with the murder mystery game crossbow itself.

But it strikes me that this wasn't much of a detective story in the classical sense; very little that the viewer could do to assemble or follow clues. More of a display with a lot of jokes along the way. Ultimately the amount of artifice and excess make me somewhat cool on it, whereas the fresh first film impressed me so much.

the pinefox, Monday, 9 January 2023 09:50 (one year ago) link

I think Janelle Monae acted well in that she performed sister 1, sister 2, and sister 2 pretending to be sister 1, and also being unsteadily drunk. Technically that seems to me a good demanding performance.

Yes! I'm glad you said it - she was easily the standout for me

Tracer Hand, Monday, 9 January 2023 09:51 (one year ago) link

there was something delicious about the first movie and that its death first appeared to be an inexplicable self-murder - that the planned murder didn't work as intended, that the intended victim happened to be a whodunnit expert who immediately envisaged a much more complex plan of their own which did work, that they seemingly had no idea that anyone had tried to murder them and that what they thought was a pre-emptive killing of themselves was actually, in the end, self-murder. very difficult to match that, which may explain why a sequel based apparently upon superficial complexity.

where we have two remarkable and sympathetic characters in the first, in the second we have one. the murdered sister has obviously been wronged (and then murdered to boot) but do we see anything that really portrays her as a sympathetic person? then the deaths themselves are, in the end, boring rather than obvious.

conrad, Monday, 9 January 2023 11:00 (one year ago) link

I'm fully invested in Benoit Blanc as a character and as a performance. It's Cage-ian

Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Monday, 9 January 2023 11:42 (one year ago) link

Cracking post from Conrad. 100%.

the pinefox, Monday, 9 January 2023 11:49 (one year ago) link

What would you consider a classical detective story movie, PF? I don't know that it's a medium that lends itself well to it - the projectors drags us onwards without much of a chance to revisit clues placed (and I think the film goes to some lengths to point out the clues dropped for the first muster, at least).

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 9 January 2023 17:50 (one year ago) link

I agree that the medium may militate against the genre in that way, a way that prose fiction precisely does not.

However, there have, I think, been a lot of films (and TV) of things like Poirot and Holmes where it was still somewhat possible for viewers to pick up clues and formulate theories.

Here I don't think it's the speed that prevents that, more the lack of clues or mystery.

the pinefox, Monday, 9 January 2023 20:11 (one year ago) link

I enjoy mysteries and have rarely if ever felt like trying to solve the mystery with the clues made visible to the audience was what I was there for. What I relish is the experience of being strung along, watching the author’s contraptions execute

G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Monday, 9 January 2023 20:18 (one year ago) link

the thing is even if you did notice the clues it's not like that would help you figure out much of the mystery. outside of the glass switch I suppose, though I wonder how many people actually caught that?

I did figure something was up with Monae's character since when she first appears in the movie she does clearly have a Southern accent, but yeah I wouldn't have landed on THAT

frogbs, Monday, 9 January 2023 20:25 (one year ago) link

i'm not a guy who can solve a mystery during the movie itself either, but i remember in the thread for the first movie somebody said they totally figured out the switched vials plot element, and i liked that somebody was able to figure out some of the big plot twists in real time there.

this was, like i said upthread, a movie on rails, which is fine, but not like the first at all.

, Monday, 9 January 2023 20:32 (one year ago) link

i liked the mystery and Craig was great in it, i think johnson at one point maybe suggested he was a character who was slightly adaptable to his surroundings depending on the case. so here i think his intent at the beginning was to be a caricature, masking his real reason for being there. he wasn't a guy unexpectedly invited to a billionaire's party, acting the fool a bit, but rather a guy who was there to actually solve a murder no one else (but Helen, and the murderer) knew had occurred. so when he's watching everyone at the beginning of the film it's kinda to gauge them based on Helen's presence, and knowing what he knows about Andi being dead. i did like it less than Knives Out, which is a pretty uh sharp story and has that really amazing central performance by ana de armas. but i like it plenty for what it is.

omar little, Monday, 9 January 2023 20:36 (one year ago) link

I think Knives Out is a cleverer puzzle. I think the misdirection in Glass Onion is outstanding, though, particularly when you watch it a second time and try to catch the movie cheating. I think there’s very much a statement there about how little of our environment we actually perceive or process and how much received wisdom we allow to fill in the blanks in order to fit what we’re seeing into our preconceived narrative.

castanuts (DJP), Monday, 9 January 2023 20:58 (one year ago) link

Ah, I should rewatch GO, which I watched first time last night. I like KO better on one watch because it did feel like a tighter story, more intense presentations of the players, who also were slightly more interesting than in GO, and more subject to viewer evals and consideration during the viewing process.

I thought the whole puzzlebox thing was annoying and over done, it started to just be like, oooh how's macgyver gonna do this one? the whole thing felt very made for tv to me, despite the opulence.

normal AI yankovic (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 10 January 2023 01:18 (one year ago) link

puzzlebox set up the hammer joke

Cinta Kaz is comin' to town (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 10 January 2023 02:46 (one year ago) link

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