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I am about as Irish as a Shamrock Shake, thanks to my Euromongrel background, but I have roots on both mom and dad's side and my family name derives from a town in County Kilkenny, so hey. Then there's our own Miss Kearney, of course. ;-) But above and beyond that and other folks like Ronan, there's the nation itself, where the list of Irish (and Anglo-Irish, true) artists in many fields runs on forever, regrettable interruptions like, say, Bono aside. So then -- a bunch of Guinness-soaked louts or a flowering of native Celtic genius that makes the English look like a passel of Hooray Henrys and who wisely escaped the UK's clutches to help make America the brilliant place it is?

Search: Flann O'Brien, Wilde of course, the Virgin Prunes, Father Ted.

Destroy: leprechauns, St. Patrick's Day-related idiocies in America.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Do bartenders in horrible phony Irish pubs in America ever draw anything in the head of a pulled pint of Guiness other than a shamrock? A pair of tits maybe.

Benjamin, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I can't believe you didn't mention Kevin Shields, Ned.

Michael Bourke, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

He's afraid Alan Mc G Burger might jump on this thread.

nathalie, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I'd like to point out that I'm only a third Irish, you know. Hence the big ass. If I was 100% I wouldn't have that.

Ally, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

What Natalie said. Besides which, I thought by now I don't need to mention him, it's implicit. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

search: bad basement punk rock shows in dublin while on vacation where huge football thug dances around on stage before vomiting and passing out in the corner.

destroy: the current amurrican hard on for all things irish.

jess, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Kevin Rowland once said the Irish were "unnecessarily zealoius, if becoming" which kinda hit the nail on the head for me. I have a bit of a zealous streak myself which I have to keep in check because it's a bit shit really, isn't it?

"Father Ted" was a load of arse-juice but the "D'unbelievables"...

Michael Bourke, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Some Irish pple are nice, some Irish pple are not so nice.

jel, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Search: Neil Jordan, Beckett, Thin Lizzy, foxy Colin Farrell (ok Joel Schumacher, we'll let you live), Undertones, the rugged coastline

Destroy: What Ned said about St. Paddy's in the USA, my ridiculous "Kiss Me I'm Irish" relatives: stop the Erin Go Bragh insanity please!, the Cranberries, Hothouse Flowers, the Troubles (wouldn't that be nice?).

I lurve leprechauns. And shamrock shakes.

Brennan on the Moor, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

All the Irish pple I've met have been nice, lucky me.

Now, Irish Americans, that's *quite* a different story.

The Unicarn, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Irish soda bread is really good. If you mix Baileys with Kahlua, Amaretto and milk, you get a real solid drink.

Ally, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Mmm, toasted almond.

I love Ireland solely because of Guinness, Murphy's and Bailey's. I'm a lush.

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Destroy: stinky Irish "cuisine". Thank god my mom's Italian, that's all I have to say...

Kerry, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Search: Celtic mythology. Oooh lord.

Lyra, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

U2, Guinness... um... hills and rain.

JM, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Ethan is a Mick. So I've heard. He's also whisky. POP SHOTS.

Greg, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

The worst Irish export is that smug bastard on Top Gear. And the IRA.

DG, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm the best mick ever.

ethan, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Search: Uniformed attire (i.e., white shirt, dark green or plaid skirts, etc.) of all the young women there...*whew* have mercy!

Destroy: The food.

I believe it was Shane MacGowan once poignantly said: "Ertwas swillin' 'n' sllen/ inna mrsts o' Culcllan/ er pour me a-point o' whiskey t'day..."

Joe, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I spent a week in Ireland (2 days in Northern Ireland, the remainder in the Republic) six years ago, and it was fabulous. Rented a car in Belfast and drove all over the place, ending up in Dublin. Sunny for 4 days out of the 7, too, which the locals said made me very lucky.

My favorite Ireland memory: driving up the Conor Pass on the Dingle Peninsula, parking the car and hiking up a mountain. The view of the countryside, the ponds, the sheep and the sea was breathtaking, of course. But what was really remarkable was just how quiet it all was -- I could hear the grass crunching under my feet and I thought I was stepping on dried out grass, till I realized that it sounded so loud only because it was so quiet. I'd literally never "heard" silence like that before. I realized then how really loud even "quiet" moments are where I live, how there's always some sort of ambient noise in the background disrupting the perfect quiet. And then you just stand there, with the knockout view in the closest thing to perfect peace and quiet I'd ever experienced. Then you walk down and throw some money at the person playing some cliche Irish music on a harp at the foot of the hill.

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Wednesday, 22 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

ah bejabers sure aren't we a grand aul bunch o praties?

DV, Wednesday, 22 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Was it Shane Magowan, lifetime resident of North London (until recently, I think he has now moved to his spiritual home now) who said that then?

destroy people who say: "I'm Irish, my mother's brother's budgie was bought from a pat shop in Galway"

paddy's night in Kilburn too, destroy that, even more so in Neasden.

search: Tony Cascarino

cabbage, Wednesday, 22 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

five years pass...

Anybody want to recommend some traditional Irish music? There's so much stuff out there and a lot of it looks terrible.

Ned Trifle II, Thursday, 28 June 2007 22:33 (twelve years ago) link

Ooops, sorry I thought this was an ILM thread 'cos I was on ILM and then I did a search and so I thought...I know...I am dumb.

Ned Trifle II, Thursday, 28 June 2007 22:34 (twelve years ago) link

And it's quite a late night for me.

Ned Trifle II, Thursday, 28 June 2007 22:35 (twelve years ago) link

'search' and 'destroy'? UMkay

humansuit, Thursday, 28 June 2007 22:37 (twelve years ago) link

Ned, not quite full blown trad....but you can't go wrong with Christy Moore.

Ronan, Friday, 29 June 2007 01:21 (twelve years ago) link

Specifically, I'd recommend Planxty's 2004 (or is it 2005? I can't remember) live album, which is brilliant and has Christy Moore singing on it. Any one of the first four Chieftains albums are also top class. Martin Hayes is also very popular and good, and there's a great, great singer called Iarla O Lionaird who sings unaccompanied Irish songs. His voice is beautiful, but it can get a little wearing after a while if you don't understand what he's singing about.

accentmonkey, Friday, 29 June 2007 09:37 (twelve years ago) link

The Dubliners ain't half bad either.

Ed, Friday, 29 June 2007 09:43 (twelve years ago) link

luke kelly.

darraghmac, Friday, 29 June 2007 09:45 (twelve years ago) link

also, what's with lack of WB Yeats love upthread?

darraghmac, Friday, 29 June 2007 09:46 (twelve years ago) link

Ned's question inspired me to dig out that Planxty 2004 album. It is GRATE.

accentmonkey, Friday, 29 June 2007 10:08 (twelve years ago) link

Ned, not quite full blown trad....but you can't go wrong with Christy Moore.

My lord, the prosecution cites "Don't Forget Your Shovel".

The Real Dirty Vicar, Friday, 29 June 2007 11:42 (twelve years ago) link

search: Planxty's "The Well Below The Valley", if only for the title track.

The Real Dirty Vicar, Friday, 29 June 2007 11:43 (twelve years ago) link

My lord, the prosecution cites "Don't Forget Your Shovel".

Also "The Voyage", and his version of "Ride On".

accentmonkey, Friday, 29 June 2007 11:44 (twelve years ago) link

xpost

If it's the same one the Devil's Interval do then it's got incest and 6 cases of abortion/infanticide, body count is the hallmark of a good folk song.

Ed, Friday, 29 June 2007 11:45 (twelve years ago) link

Planxty, yes - I only know the first three albums though. Also that Andy Irvine+Paul Brady album - in fact, is Andy Irvine famous? He's certainly not as famous as he should be! (He's also from London, of course!)I don't know as much about Irish music as I should.

Tom D., Friday, 29 June 2007 11:49 (twelve years ago) link

yes well, not every track! I'm out of my depth here, and I've forgotten my shovel.

Ronan, Friday, 29 June 2007 11:51 (twelve years ago) link

Planxty, yes - I only know the first three albums though. Also that Andy Irvine+Paul Brady album - in fact, is Andy Irvine famous?

he is famous enough, but maybe not as famous as he deserves to be. He plays live a lot in Whelans, and every time I go to see him I kick myself for not going to see him every time he plays, as he is awesome.

In a piece of inspired supportage, the first time I saw him was when he was supporting Will Oldham; a whole new generation of fans was born.

The Real Dirty Vicar, Friday, 29 June 2007 14:59 (twelve years ago) link

He is awesome. Everything I've ever heard him do, from Sweeney's Men onwards, has been great, and he always seems like the most talented and yet least well known in whatever setup he's involved in.

Tom D., Friday, 29 June 2007 15:02 (twelve years ago) link

I think he is all about the music rather than about the self-promotion.

I love his song about how Ronnie Drew is actually a culchie.

The Real Dirty Vicar, Friday, 29 June 2007 15:31 (twelve years ago) link

three months pass...

CINCINNATI -- A man was caught Tuesday morning inside a car with his pants down.

Police said Kim Leblanc broke into a parked car overnight on Central Parkway, and the owner found him asleep inside and called police.

Officers said Leblanc was not wearing any pants when they arrived.

Investigators said Leblanc told them he had done drugs and believed that a leprechaun had let him into the car.

Leblanc remains in police custody on a variety of charges.

omar little, Thursday, 18 October 2007 19:08 (twelve years ago) link

top scientist claims irish less intelligent than other ethnicities,

blames leprechaun influence.

darraghmac, Thursday, 18 October 2007 21:49 (twelve years ago) link

Thieving Irish. Here's something funny: I'm American, and my grandfather raised us to be conscious of our Irish heritage. We just find out our Irish side actually came from England ... and had lived there for centuries before coming to the US, rather than actually coming here from Ireland during the potato/weird root tasting beer/cable knit sweater famine.

So what's the deal with that - English, Irish, what? I'm sure most of the people who claim Irish heritage here are less of Irish heritage than suspected.

http://www.dk-ink.com/AngelsRemembered/files/leprechaun.gif

burt_stanton, Friday, 19 October 2007 03:38 (twelve years ago) link

Oh who knows. My family could care less about it, we're American...but my boyfriend's family is v v proudly Irish...except at this point all their relatives back home live in the Leith district of Edinburgh. At least they're all Hibs supporters!

Laurel, Friday, 19 October 2007 03:43 (twelve years ago) link

um, hibs aren't the 'irish' team in scotland.

darraghmac, Friday, 19 October 2007 09:40 (twelve years ago) link

they are one of the Irish teams, as far as I know. especially if you live in Edinburgh. Scots may know better.

Ronan, Friday, 19 October 2007 09:42 (twelve years ago) link

Hibs were the "Irish" team in Scotland before Celtic were.

onimo, Friday, 19 October 2007 09:46 (twelve years ago) link

If by "Irish" you mean "charitable club set up by members of the Catholic church to provide aid to poverty stricken Catholics who were mostly Irish immigrants" or something. Hibernian means Irish, doesn't it?

onimo, Friday, 19 October 2007 09:49 (twelve years ago) link

Lads come on!

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Perri popcorn is not good, though I will always have a soft spot for the brand after winning a box of their crisps as a child. It doesn’t help that the prepopped popcorn you can buy here is luxury shite that’s not half as good for twice the price.

extremely Dutch coughing sound (gyac), Friday, 27 March 2020 08:43 (one month ago) link

the professed Manhattan ignorance is a bit odd alright

Number None, Friday, 27 March 2020 08:50 (one month ago) link

id know the bag now i see it

less analysis, more contribution there now please

ole uncle tiktok (darraghmac), Friday, 27 March 2020 08:57 (one month ago) link

People say the crisps are good but I’ve never seen them on sale anywhere. My school’s shop used to routinely sell out of their popcorn.

extremely Dutch coughing sound (gyac), Friday, 27 March 2020 09:20 (one month ago) link

Can this Limerick man please do all the governments social distancing announcements from now on? pic.twitter.com/nBL6ZSc3HW

— The Blindboy Podcast (@Rubberbandits) March 27, 2020

ole uncle tiktok (darraghmac), Friday, 27 March 2020 12:40 (one month ago) link

Definitely one for the “I love the Irish accent 😍” crowd.

extremely Dutch coughing sound (gyac), Friday, 27 March 2020 12:42 (one month ago) link

lol

ole uncle tiktok (darraghmac), Friday, 27 March 2020 12:53 (one month ago) link

have that then

ole uncle tiktok (darraghmac), Friday, 27 March 2020 12:54 (one month ago) link

chrisht a man watches a movie and the whole fuckin country gets shut down

ole uncle tiktok (darraghmac), Friday, 27 March 2020 21:18 (one month ago) link

we just got the pay cuts chat from our CEO today, so that was the cherry on top

Number None, Friday, 27 March 2020 21:29 (one month ago) link

fucks sake, really sorry to hear NN

extremely Dutch coughing sound (gyac), Friday, 27 March 2020 21:30 (one month ago) link

best thing is, today was just the teaser. We find out the amount on Monday!

but sure lookit, could be much worse and I'm confident I won't lose my job so can't overly complain

Number None, Friday, 27 March 2020 21:35 (one month ago) link

people have been saying lookit far too often for my comfort recently

but lookit, it is what it is

extremely Dutch coughing sound (gyac), Friday, 27 March 2020 21:37 (one month ago) link

#Breaking: Dept for Foreign Affairs is warning Irish nationals in the US on short-term visas, who risk losing employment, financial security & health care due to the Covid-19 to return to Ireland

— RTÉ News (@rtenews) March 27, 2020

extremely Dutch coughing sound (gyac), Friday, 27 March 2020 21:38 (one month ago) link

sorry to hear that nn, hope its short and as painless as possible

ole uncle tiktok (darraghmac), Friday, 27 March 2020 21:39 (one month ago) link

It must be admitted that the English people are at present doing their utmost to justify the low estimate in which their rulers hold them.

— James Connolly (@ConnollyEbooks) March 28, 2020

it’s settled, I’m going to read big Jimmy C’s book this week.

extremely Dutch coughing sound (gyac), Sunday, 29 March 2020 23:39 (one month ago) link

A headline appropriate for any day of any year between 1171 and today. pic.twitter.com/il6F4V7xXd

— Liam Bright (@lastpositivist) April 1, 2020

silby, Wednesday, 1 April 2020 19:44 (one month ago) link

still not worth it tbfh

ole uncle tiktok (darraghmac), Monday, 6 April 2020 18:18 (one month ago) link

id swear the mane aul cunt public health nurse who gave it me out the letterkenny road broke it off in the bone

ole uncle tiktok (darraghmac), Monday, 6 April 2020 18:19 (one month ago) link

I assumed the UK had a mandatory BCG vaccination programme but apparently that was only from 1953 to 2005 - still covers an awful lot of the population!

Did somebody just say eat? (Tom D.), Monday, 6 April 2020 18:41 (one month ago) link

self fp-ed bcz at first glance i read the URL as "bog vaccine"

mark s, Monday, 6 April 2020 19:05 (one month ago) link

its the first time the anniversary of the gfa falls on gf btw

plax (ico), Friday, 10 April 2020 10:52 (one month ago) link

There yah have it folks. pic.twitter.com/ijhM8OsHrz

— Fleggy McFleggerson (@FleggyM) April 10, 2020

calzino, Sunday, 12 April 2020 11:53 (one month ago) link

I'm not sure if everyone's seen the Lainey Doyle thread:

I don't understand the British media. I really, really don't.

Basic things: Ireland and the UK started this pandemic with roughly the same number of ICU beds (6.5 per 100,000 for Ireland, 6.6 per 100,000 in the UK).

If anything, the UK was slightly better off. pic.twitter.com/owhHMUZccU

— Lainey Doyle (@laineydoyle) April 12, 2020

Something interesting but unsurprising in the comments is someone saying that the North has followed the Republic rather than GB, and is doing better because of it.

Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 12 April 2020 12:14 (one month ago) link

excellent thread

ole uncle tiktok (darraghmac), Sunday, 12 April 2020 13:53 (one month ago) link

(xp) Irish Sea has come in useful too, I imagine. Also, no Rangers games, so no need to go to Glasgow every other weekend.

The Corbynite Maneuver (Tom D.), Sunday, 12 April 2020 14:23 (one month ago) link

What a bunch of fucking idiots. pic.twitter.com/WIkCLD6NIc

— Daithi K. (@tvcritics) April 21, 2020

there's been a bit of Irish anti-lockdown idiocy it seems.

calzino, Tuesday, 21 April 2020 15:49 (one month ago) link

just drop a giant glass dome over them, sorted

clap for content-providers (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 21 April 2020 16:11 (one month ago) link

same rent a ghoul crowd as have been on the wrong side of everything else this past ten year

steer calmer (darraghmac), Tuesday, 21 April 2020 16:20 (one month ago) link

is that john waters (not that john waters) in the middle?

plax (ico), Tuesday, 21 April 2020 17:56 (one month ago) link

And Gemma O next to him

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 21 April 2020 17:58 (one month ago) link

Reading up on him, he seems like a real piece of work, this Waters character... and he has a daughter with Sinead O'Connor!

The Corbynite Maneuver (Tom D.), Tuesday, 21 April 2020 19:12 (one month ago) link

hes a cunt

steer calmer (darraghmac), Tuesday, 21 April 2020 19:47 (one month ago) link

as close as we have to a peterson, but id argue worse tbh

steer calmer (darraghmac), Tuesday, 21 April 2020 19:48 (one month ago) link

this guy has been very good imo

Some interesting weaponizing of Ireland's death rate going on by very ignorant people.

"Ireland have the 9th highest death rate per capita".

Do we now.

— Danny Boy (@Care2much18) April 22, 2020

steer calmer (darraghmac), Wednesday, 22 April 2020 10:00 (one month ago) link

short story

we're doing much better than it looks on death per capita than the various comparisons would seem to show

though we wont really know anything til next year earliest

steer calmer (darraghmac), Wednesday, 22 April 2020 10:01 (one month ago) link

what do we make of the government's current "stop being naughty or we'll extend the lockdown" approach?

tbh they're going to struggle to keep people in check for the bank holiday weekend let alone beyond the 5th

Number None, Monday, 27 April 2020 17:29 (four weeks ago) link

i think it leaves them a little wriggle either way

experts will advise a lockdown for further with some limited exceptions

tabloids and twitter will demand freedom

they dont need to show cards for now but prob wise to flag that both options are open

kim rong un (darraghmac), Monday, 27 April 2020 19:20 (four weeks ago) link

Could do with a rainy spell for next weekend.
Been really nice all week.
& people are out using the public furniture and exercise machines around the park. Playing in the adventure playground.
So if there is another wave imminent will they continue to try to continue the isolation.

Stevolende, Monday, 27 April 2020 20:24 (four weeks ago) link

makes sense. groups will need to be exposed in sections i think

kim rong un (darraghmac), Tuesday, 28 April 2020 08:51 (three weeks ago) link

Two weeks from friday seems to be a bit ambitious and reducing the social distancing rules seems a bit counterproductive.
I thought there wasn't any guaranteed immunity from having been through a bout of covid either.
So surprised by that news.
thought this was going to go oon for a while longer whatever.
Aren't there going to be a load more cases of infection after the coming weekend anyway, which would presuambly only be showing theirfull blown infection in 2 weeks time.
So sounds a little premature doesn't it?

Stevolende, Tuesday, 28 April 2020 10:05 (three weeks ago) link

How puppets work. pic.twitter.com/W9ocR99z8B

— Daithi K. (@tvcritics) April 29, 2020

calzino, Wednesday, 29 April 2020 23:32 (three weeks ago) link

Ionanist is such a good term.
I take it it's always used of somebody else rather than by the individual themself?

Stevolende, Wednesday, 29 April 2020 23:46 (three weeks ago) link

two weeks pass...

why is every man on irish tv a hotel manager?

plax (ico), Monday, 18 May 2020 16:40 (one week ago) link

https://irishboston.org/images/march/ryan-tubridy.jpg

"i'll have dearbhla add those 'additional expenses' (cocaine!) to your bill"

plax (ico), Monday, 18 May 2020 16:43 (one week ago) link

this is the basic vibe on literally every rte program

plax (ico), Monday, 18 May 2020 16:44 (one week ago) link

Sometimes I think about how there was an Irish laundry firm called Swastika Laundry which predated the Nazis rise to power but continued to use the name and distinctive logo well after WWII, up until 1987. pic.twitter.com/sB6vvjnyFr

— Mr Demos of Pnyx (@gem_ste) May 19, 2020

calzino, Tuesday, 19 May 2020 16:27 (six days ago) link

In his May 2007 interview with Jason O'Toole, former Minister for Health Cowen admitted to smoking marijuana, saying,

Anyone who went to the UCD bar in the '70s that didn't get a whiff of marijuana would be telling you a lie. I would say there were a couple of occasions when it was passed around – and, unlike President Clinton, I did inhale! There wasn't a whole lot in it really – (it was like) a Sweet Afton, as a 10-year-old, under a railway bridge on a rainy day, in small town Ireland in the late '60s. I certainly got more enjoyment out of a few pints.

Andrew Farrell, Saturday, 23 May 2020 13:21 (two days ago) link


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