The Irish

The soundproofing in my building is very good.

I went to look at the charred wreckage this morning with all the other rubberneckers. While the columnists and junior ministers will be bleating today, as with the anti-trans stuff there is a layer of civil society people that will have to put up with and manage this stuff and I felt bad for the council workers, service staff, teachers in the area that have to put up with this and get little help or sympathy. I'm skeptical that this event will prompt any genuine rethink among the great and good.

I mean yeah I was on RTE all morning & all it was about was the value of the property damage

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2023/1124/1418256-rioting-dublin-city/

I mean, Drew, every fucking leftist in the country was telling you that the fash were a problem and now you’re deciding it’s true because you were embarrassed internationally? Never overestimate how Irish politicians and office holders will act faster in response to shocked tweets from people they follow on Twitter than the concerns of their own constituents, I guess!

I mean just as a start it might a good shout if the papers thought to revisit how they continue to cover a story about a creepy guy that kept showing up a school and bothering the staff there while roaring extremist slogans for the cameras with his deranged family. Just to pick one example that seems quite relevant among many.

i'm going to Dublin tonight, right where the rioting was. Reckon it will kick off again this evening?

i think theres a chance and tomorrow i think theres a bigger chance again that protests kick off

xps the library staff were left hanging in the wind, as were healthcare staff over covid, as were dail staff last month. the response has been very lax and if this makes things happen at last then great but the kid glove handling of active threats is a long time going on at this stage

Was prompted by today's Second Captains to check out Conor McGregor's social media presence. Not going to lie, doesn't seem like a great guy.

Thanks for the update.

The brother-in-law is a prison officer, one of the ones ferrying some of them to court today - someone must've found a few pence down the back of the sofa, because they all made bail.

I mean how is that surprising, soaked in foreign money just like the eighth amendment supporters were and are

Very good and thorough breakdown of Friday’s events.

How much of a role has covid/lockdown played in any of this, as a multiplier or accelerant? It seems to have had differing effects in different countries, but I can't tell how much a factor

a high level as far as dublin streets goes

a high level as far as social media cranks gaining significant followings and turning that into open organised defiance and action on the streets, hospitals, politicians homes, libraries etc

a high level as far as the proven probing and testing of the govts soft handling of the lunatic or dangerous fringes

I wonder if the establishment parties are hoping that this kind of thing will put people off voting SF in the next election. They're not exactly known as the party of law and order, after all.

Kneecapping aside.

ya I would have thought SF might have some ideas abt how 2 handle these types

i think theres a curious split between the type of law and order party SF might be expected to be, and by whom

Pretty good but ultimately depressing piece about last month’s events.

Focusing on the poor performance of far right parties also elides the significant successes they have had in getting visible support from fellow travelers in the Dáil, like Mattie McGrath and Danny Healy Rae, or in electing sympathetic independents like Verona Murphy. There is a far right in parliament, just not one with a party label yet.

Because fascism appeals to an imagined past, admission to the far right typically entails some apologia for the many brutalities of the Irish state in the twentieth century, which were principally directed at non-conforming women, children, the working class, and queer people.

kerry has long voted for a behaved exactly like a legal/social/political return to the worst elements of that past

the last election saw a lot get voted in on protest with nary a look at them- sf have actually been cleaning house to get rid of sitting tds and councillors- and im somewhat confident that some mentioned above wont get in next time but ofc that doesnt mean others from the far right dont get in instead

by and large the electorate has tended to reject the fringe to an extent that you wouldnt believe given the media and social media focus on them across referendum and election history

I had one of them genetic heritage tests and sent my DNA sample on a mail journey to a lab in Texas, because I just wanted to know I wasn't British - because I've never felt it and at least a part of me got sent on a holiday.

the result was

85.3%
Irish, Scottish, and Welsh

12.9%
Scandinavian

1.8%
East European

It's not really that interesting or significant, but still give me some amusement, I'm almost Irish American!

Scandinavian tho buck?

kerry has long voted for a behaved exactly like a legal/social/political return to the worst elements of that past

the last election saw a lot get voted in on protest with nary a look at them- sf have actually been cleaning house to get rid of sitting tds and councillors- and im somewhat confident that some mentioned above wont get in next time but ofc that doesnt mean others from the far right dont get in instead

by and large the electorate has tended to reject the fringe to an extent that you wouldnt believe given the media and social media focus on them across referendum and election history

xp

changing my name by deed poll to Tomas O'Dowd!

I've read that there's so little real difference between Irish, Scottish, Welsh and English DNA that it's kind of useless, or at least extremely difficuly, to separate them. My sister got 50% Scottish and 50% Irish, which seemed far too neat.

... she might have editorialised that though to take out the random nonsense, like Native American or whatever, that show up in these tests tbf.

well

i can see why youd tell yourself that but

yeah, it's a load of bollix, really. My uncle reckoned there was an Indian connection to our family but I think the poor bugger was taking too much speed. In the sub results, it narrowed it down to "Cork, Kerry and Limerick" which is very accurate.

I don't know anything about these tests tbh. I don't know if you have to give your name or not because, if you do, I reckon they'd could get quite a bit of information from that alone. A bit like how mindreading acts and mediums work.

... your name and location. Maybe I'm being too cynical.

the one I used, your dna sample is given a number. You can supply your name but I just put Tom Jones because I'm not having some US company having my dna and government name

I kind of believe it because I was expecting to be underwhelmed, and there is nothing more underwhelming than finding out you are 12.5% Scandi!

I think there might be a strong pool of neanderthal gene variants concentrated in Kerry, making it easier to identify

I just put Tom Jones because I'm not having some US company having my dna and government name

That's explains the Welsh DNA then.

wouldn't the scandinavian bits have been left behind by yr old viking callers

yeah, they got about a bit

"come on in, I *may* have some loot to plunder..."

The viking discourse in Ireland is very funny. Everybody loves them and is like "and they became just as Irish as ourselves!" as though they all spent a year moaning about school places and then started calling Liveline frequently.

Fellas is the battle of Clontarf…bad?

I should also point out that calz is from Jorvikshire, sorry, Yorkshire.

lol at the viking discourse

iirc they came in and just made a few suggestions around architecture and currency but otherwise fairly smooth integration?

Also the contributors of red hair to the gene pool, which ofc is not a problem for those of us descended directly from the Tuatha de Dannan, Diarmuid Ua Duibhne and *checks notes* the Normans.

the anatolians or do we not mentions that

xxxp
there is really something badly wrong with the narrow gene pool of rural Yorkshire, in a much more fucked up way than Kerry. A good example is that horrible fucker Simon Armitage. I bet his family tree is the same bunch of Marsden cousins interbreeding since the doomsday book.

Alec Douglas-Home made this point very well when Harold Wilson called him out in parliament by his lordly title "14th earl of whatever" and he retorted "and you are the 14th Harold Wilson".

the anatolians or do we not mentions that

Srsly I didn’t realise there was an Anatolian influence though.

this the exodus of farmers from Turkey? This has been mentioned on here before and my dad did look a bit like Omar Sharif

i knew an ann o toole i wonder was she related

almost certainly!

I blame the Milesians