Clinton 2008

Or is it just the thought of a bird in that big white house?

1) yes i said she does Yes

2) 'bird'??

(If Hilary was serious, 2008 would be good for her if she runs again and wins in 2006 as senator...)

Does she have quim like buzzsaw? OUCHIE.

No, it would be terrible -- at least for the Democratic party. No matter what Hilary does in office, there are massive amounts of people who are always going to hate her and turn out to vote against her come election time. Even if all of the anti-Clinton antipathy didn't already exist, I still think sexism is pervasive enough that a female candidate would not win regardless of who she was.

On a related note, does anyone think that Lieberman has any chance whatsoever? I do not.

George...YES!!!!

As if either of the two are lefties. Sheesh.

But that aside, I agree with the general premise--the first woman to win the presidency of the United States will undoubtedly be a Republican, probably a conservative Republican. I expect she'll profess to be pro-life, although she won't actually advance many pro-life policies. She'll be more concerned with business and economics than foreign policy or social programs. And, she'll have a reputation as reasonable but firm. It would have been Elizabeth Dole if Dubya hadn't been recruited by the real powers-that-be.

I never said they were, but they are perceived that way.

Also, the first female president, Republican or Democrat, will be pro-choice.

No way. Two reasons:

1) Republicans will not nominate a pro-choice female in the foreseeable future. It would splinter the party.

2) A pro-choice female Democrat will be percieved as too liberal to be president, and will lose the general election.

also, most democrats are pro-choice, so it's not likely to be an issue for a female candidate. However, if she's a hardcore activist with regards to it, then it could be a problem (just as Al Gore's seeming environmental activism hurt him - like I said, America wants the absolute center).

Bush compromised after he got the nomination. Ashcroft was facing confirmation hearings by a very closely divided Senate. I think you're right that the religious right is being marginalized, but they remain a major power during the nominations process.

I agree that most Dems are pro-choice, and that most of the population is pro-choice. However, the Dems have been running from the label 'liberal' ever since Dukakis, and the label will stick to a female who is pro-choice whether or not she is a 'hardcore activist'. Because the Dems have allowed the Repubs to turn 'liberal' into a bad word, no Dem female will be elected president anytime soon.

N.B. I would LOVE to be wrong about all this.

Man, Robin's memory for quotes is good (assuming he didn't look this up, as it's actually 'prime minister or chancellor or foreign secretary'). Otherwise, word perfect. My quotations book says Sunday Telegraph, 26 Oct 1969 but I'm sure I remember seeing footage of her saying it in answer to a child's question on TV. Maybe the Sunday Telegraph was just reporting on it.

Why was Ask Aspel called Ask Aspel because he never answered the question, he just asked someone else.

Which is located on the extreme right?

Nicole is right, massive amounts of people would come out just to vote against her, and there's no way she would ever win a presidential election; but would all those people really be going to all that effort just because they think she's ugly?

And I do think it's very possible to have a powerful female in the Republican party who is pro-choice, damn it. There are at least two pro-choice Republican females with close ties to the current administration, after all. How close? One of them happens to be George W. Bush's mother, and the other happens to be his wife. And besides, this post is being brought to you by a pro-choice Republican woman. :)

I would love for Elizabeth Dole, Olympia Snowe, Kay Bailey Hutchison, or Christine Todd Whitman to become president. Had Hillary left her husband and gone off on her own to seek political power on her own, I would include her name in the list as well.

Question: Does every woman in the United States leave her partner upon allegations of infidelity and/or sexual harassment?

If not, do you hold the exact same judgement for each and every one of them?

I would love for Elizabeth Dole, Olympia Snowe, Kay Bailey Hutchison, or Christine Todd Whitman to become president.
Kay Bailey Hutchison might be the least competent human being ever to hold the title of United States Senator.

She probably should concentrate on keeping her Senate seat as the opposition is probably going to try and spend a billion dollars in the next election and who knows they may even bring out "Saint" Rudy of the natch to run against her, which could be the best ugly malicious campaign of all time.

The Democrat that should run but probably won't is Evan Bayh. He is another second gen politician like Bushy has two successful terms as a governor (Indiana) under his belt, two terms as a Senator (Armed Service & Intelligence committees), looks good on camera and is about as middle of the road as a Democrat can get. I don't think he will run, if he does, until 2012 as he is about as young as you can be with that much experience (47).

(I come down on the funny end - the evil fucker deserves everything he gets.)

I know she is their Senator, but it still seems as if Hillary got more attention for the NYC Olympics bid than GW did. My friend thought Dubya didn't even show up to the presentation in Singapore. You have to give it to her, she's starting early, and rightly so!

Thoughts....?

Also John McCain is dead in the water as soon as this "surge" goes through. He won't even be the candidate in 2008.

lol :D

John McCain
Pat Buchanan
Tom Harkin
Paul Tsongas
Richard Gephardt
Bob Dole
Gary Hart
George Bush I (1980)
Edmund Muskie

Maybe they don't like backing them, but they do back them.

big loz up thar...

i think it's possible that Hillary is pretending to run for potus so that the GOP lets her through easy into a second term. I think she may be looking down the road towards say 2016 when she's achieved elder stateswoman/grandmother status. she might even be a floor leader or governor then. Obama would be in his mid-50s and his second term.

by gabbneb on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 08:57:12 AM PDT

John McCain is dead in the water as soon as this "surge" goes through. He won't even be the candidate in 2008.

-- Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Saturday, January 20, 2007 4:39 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Link

I don't think that's a game you want to start playing morbs

but once again, sorry for your loss

I don't fancy her any more.

can someone with more energy and drive than me start a "RONG" thread based solely on the primaries threads so far. like not "RONG" in an opinion-based way but posts that have been proven wrong by the political process thus far. i think it would be interesting but i have no interest in actually doing it

-- n/a, Wednesday, June 4, 2008 12:00 PM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Link

Nicole, you're right about Hilary in particular as she is deeply reviled by middle America, regardless of her politics.

I think she may be looking down the road towards say 2016 when she's achieved elder stateswoman/grandmother status. she might even be a floor leader or governor then. Obama would be in his mid-50s and his second term.

by gabbneb on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 08:57:12 AM PDT

gabbstradamus!