has anyone here ever read George Orwell's "Coming Up For Air"?

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I hadn't heard of it 24 hours ago; now I'm reading it online and it fits *exactly* with a lot of my historical interests. interested.

robin carmody (robin carmody), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 00:06 (twenty-three years ago)

sorry, that was dreadful repetition wasn't it? "intrigued", surely.

robin carmody (robin carmody), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 00:07 (twenty-three years ago)

I have now finished reading it online and am currently printing it. everything I needed to read right now. plus it inspired me to start writing songs again!

robin carmody (robin carmody), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 03:02 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes, I have. I don't remember much about it now - I'll try to remember to dig it out later, when I'm home, to prompt myself.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 12:30 (twenty-three years ago)

I read it in 1990. It's my favourite of his novels; in fact, it's one of my ten favourite novels, full stop:.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 18 December 2002 15:58 (twenty-three years ago)

is that a v.v.subtle punctuation sight-gag, pf?

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 16:02 (twenty-three years ago)

y

the pinefox, Wednesday, 18 December 2002 16:20 (twenty-three years ago)

thanks again, Reynard.

it touches on everything, really, from the crushing of the Liberal Party through the urbanisation of the proletariat / suburbanisation of the countryside (only to be revived in the last decade partially through the erosion of the landowners' power and the major changes in rural demographics - I wonder how Orwell would view the Lib Dems' challenge to overtake the Tories and become the second party?), to the utter subjectivity of "golden age" yearnings. it is always good to realise that people have felt this way since time immemorial: "fears are always the same / only the details change"

robin carmody (robin carmody), Friday, 20 December 2002 05:15 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes, the big revelation to me as a kid was "how old nostalgia is".

the pinefox, Friday, 20 December 2002 11:29 (twenty-three years ago)

five months pass...
jaysus. I love the idea that Orwell has a better novel than 1984.

DV (dirtyvicar), Friday, 13 June 2003 21:15 (twenty-three years ago)

five years pass...

i'd like to know what the pinefox's nine other favorite novels are.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Sunday, 11 January 2009 00:35 (seventeen years ago)

What a fabulous question, and what a golden-age little thread (how old ilx nostalgia is ...). I could give you some kind of list but I think you would be very unimpressed and I would feel bad about it.

Maybe I'm being too negative.

the pinefox, Sunday, 11 January 2009 00:54 (seventeen years ago)

i'm guessing "ulysses" would be number one, at least?

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Sunday, 11 January 2009 00:58 (seventeen years ago)

Oh, sure.

Otherwise, not supposed to be in order, let's say these ten could contend:

1 Joyce, Ulysses (nothing to see here)
2 Moore, Who Will Run The Frog Hospital? (magnifique)
3 Plath, The Bell Jar (sounds teeny but I always thought it brilliant)
4 Pynchon, The Crying of Lot 49 (well I'm not gonna name a longer one; have always adored this as I've often said)
5 Waterhouse, Billy Liar (slight, but important to a Smiths fan, and to English culture in a way)
6 Warner, The Sopranos (liked this a lot for its romanticism; but may be overrating it now)
7 Dyer, The Colour of Memory (ditto, but very English, London, 1980s - I'll stand by it)
8 Eliot, Middlemarch (OK, that's solid, no one's going to argue)
9 O’Brien, The Third Policeman (quirky enough choice to be interesting, mainstream enough that people will know and approve)
10 Lethem, Motherless Brooklyn (really? oh, why not; only read it c.7 months ago but found it at least as awesome as anyone had said)

Tell me yours if you like. This is some thread derailment though.

the pinefox, Sunday, 11 January 2009 01:01 (seventeen years ago)

that's a good list! i'll need a day or two to mull mine over, i think. i should probably read "who will run the frog hospital," which i've owned for about three years.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Sunday, 11 January 2009 01:09 (seventeen years ago)

I read that novel as a young & foolish teen. I recall not liking the ending b/c (SPOILER ALERT) it's one of Orwell's endings where he taunts you with the possibility that the protagonist will break out of his depressing rut, but instead the conclusion is that everything stays exactly the same for him. It struck me as not plot-y enough. A Clergyman's Daughter is another one that's like that. I probably should give it another chance, though.

Keep the Aspidistra Flying is my favorite of his; it's just as pessimistic but has a more surprising narrative arc. Also it's hilarious.

What a Mess (Gudrun Brangwen), Sunday, 11 January 2009 02:17 (seventeen years ago)

Ditto on Aspidistra being pessimisitic and hilarious--especially if you've ever worked in bookselling, about which it's extremely savage.

James Morrison, Sunday, 11 January 2009 06:03 (seventeen years ago)


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