_The Two Towers_ thread talk (SPOILERS)

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Might as well get something separate for this going. T-minus 2 hours and change for me. Post praise, abuse and everything else here...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 05:52 (twenty-three years ago)

Woah! You're going to the midnite showing!? Hardkore! (I...uh, I almost went myself...)

Dan I., Wednesday, 18 December 2002 06:08 (twenty-three years ago)

Holy crap was it good. And fuck y'all Tolkein pedants (i.e. some of my posse) that can't wait FIVE SECONDS after the credits start rolling to bitch about what was left out / changed / sacrificed to the gods of continuity and story flow. Fuck you and your Tom Bombadil (sic).

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 08:47 (twenty-three years ago)

AARRRGH I HAVE TO WAIT ANOTHER *checks watch* OMIGOD NEARLY TEN HOURS!!! i am CHAMPING at the bit!!

katie (katie), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 09:18 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh, it's an ok film, not as good as Legally Blonde.

jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 09:49 (twenty-three years ago)

(I haven't seen it)

jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 09:53 (twenty-three years ago)

Well, having just come back from my midnight showing and with a need to try and get three hours sleep tonight, all I will say now is...

ARGH! WAITING ONE MORE YEAR! ARGH!

A couple of lines I would have rewritten and a couple of minor changes I would have made. But oh man, was it worth the wait and then some. Not as stunned as I was last year because this time around I knew with confidence that Jackson would deliver. And did he ever.

Second showing for me starts in just under seventeen hours. Time for sleep.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 11:18 (twenty-three years ago)

Second showing for me starts in just under seventeen hours. Time for sleep.

Grrr....*ahem* Never mind me. Just a huge dash of envy going on!

It is released today....Can I go? NO! I am forced to work today.

Mind you, my inner hobbit wants me to play hooky!

Dammit.

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 12:54 (twenty-three years ago)

As all the articles I've been collecting about the film have been so interesting, I have to wait til my paycheck comes out---in 2 weeks---to see it.

Torture, I tell you.

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 12:57 (twenty-three years ago)

Thought about going to the midnight showing last night but I was about to crash at 9pm (from sleepiness, not drink) so I only thought about it for a few seconds. But all in good time, my dears...

Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 14:13 (twenty-three years ago)

I HAF SEEN IT!

(full story to come)

Graham (graham), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 16:29 (twenty-three years ago)

hmm, maybe it's about time i saw the first one...

g-kit (g-kit), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 16:31 (twenty-three years ago)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAAAAAAA! Ms G.

Graham (graham), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 16:31 (twenty-three years ago)

up yours! ;p only another 2 hours 22 minutes to go for me!!

katie (katie), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 16:39 (twenty-three years ago)

Don't worry Katie, I've still not seen the first one so I had no idea what was going on. It was all very fancy though, expecially all the elves dancing and the musical numbers.

I was meant to be seeing the first one this morning but STUPID FAT HOBBIT that I am I got there and discovered they were only showing it Monday and Tuesday, and I'd walked for an hour down the edge of the motorway to a mjostly deserted rubbish shopping center for nothing. Then 10 minutes later I realised that was only the Gold Class screenings cos the card was so appallingly laid out, and it was on and I missed it, but then I noticed there were tickets still available for the next Two Towers show, but the ticket machine wanted to charge me £6.50 and the card said £3, all show all times, so I went to the customer service desk cos there was nothing else resembling a box office, and he pointed "over there", and I went "over there" and found nothing, so I went back and realised he was pointing at the snack counter, and I felt very weird asking the guy in the silly hat for tickets, especially as there were no signs or anything. But then I still had to find the auditorium, and the signs said "< 5-8 1-4 >", and I wanted screen 5 which turned out to be on the right AAAAAAAAAAAAARGH, so I went in there and sat down and realised the show was in Screen 3 and I am a STUPID FAT HOBBIT. I've left off lots of other idiocy that happenned today, but that is the stupidest cinema ever, I am the stupidest patron, I think we deserve each other, frankly.

The fearsome EYE OF SAURON:
http://www.ctnow.com/media/photo/2002-09/4499432.jpg

Graham (graham), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 16:53 (twenty-three years ago)

*smacks hed* ph00l!! you NEED to see the first one! go and buy the extended DVD NOW!!! to make up for cinema being rub!

aaargh two hours and THREE minutes!!

katie (katie), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 16:58 (twenty-three years ago)

*waits patiently for later explosion of Katie happiness*

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 17:00 (twenty-three years ago)

3 hours 29 mins...

Sarah (starry), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 17:01 (twenty-three years ago)

ned i am sure my BOOOOOOOM!!!! of sheer excitement will reach you over the atlantic!!

(um no Perry jokes please ;))

i am all twitchy like a COKE addict or something!

katie (katie), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 17:02 (twenty-three years ago)

It's 3 hours long and the first half is BORING, plus don't forget the adverts. Adn trailers. And the Dobly Digital thingy?

(Should I run a book on when Katie explodes?)

Graham (graham), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 17:06 (twenty-three years ago)

the first half is BORING

Graham is on crack.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 17:15 (twenty-three years ago)

The adverts and trailers are an essential part of the cinematic process Graham YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND AND YOU NEVER WILL.

Sarah (starry), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 17:17 (twenty-three years ago)

minus 7 days and 7 hours. ha ha ha.

Alan (Alan), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 17:19 (twenty-three years ago)

Sorry Ned, I meant BROING.

Graham (graham), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 17:22 (twenty-three years ago)

Minus however long it takes to get on TV. No, I shouldn't be all Grinch/Scrooge about it. I have been able to work up no substantial interest in the book since I read it in my teens, and I don't suppose that will change.

Given that I'll eagerly read any Superman comic put in front of me, I am not thinking myself all superior and above it all or anything. I will be getting all excited about the Ang Lee Hulk, if the early indications are anything like as good as LotR or CTHD.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 19:33 (twenty-three years ago)

I must be on crack because I thought the Lord of The Rings was garbage that helped me ease into a nights sleep.

Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 19:40 (twenty-three years ago)

Smeigal was wonderful

chaki (chaki), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 20:02 (twenty-three years ago)

Remember how the first film was average at best? I do.

David Allen, Wednesday, 18 December 2002 20:14 (twenty-three years ago)

A couple of lines I would have rewritten and a couple of minor changes I would have made.

I would have a) Taken out all the rubbish dream sequences and maybe, just maybe keep the one were Agent Elrond and Liv argue. b) Remove the moronic enviromental/war affects us all message from the Entmoot. Go back to the orginal, much much more fun. And introduce the other Ent for crissakes.
But Gollum stole the show, take that jar jar! The scene where he is debating with himself was great. And it was nice to see the comic relief didn't get stuck solely on Merry and Pippin. The series of wisecracks from Helm's Deep were perfect.
Great start to the film as well.
But its not as good (or as close to the story) as the first. I can take the omissions and the beefing up certain threads but the more they add from out of the blue the more it takes away from the story.
I luckily avoided getting in the papers but I don't know if I escaped the 11 O'clock news. They had coverage of our lineup party outside and several people I was in line with ended up in the papers.

Im paying now at work for the 12:01 showing last night.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 20:25 (twenty-three years ago)

Blimey, what are you people getting so hyper about?
I'm seeing it on Sunday, no rush.

DavidM (DavidM), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 20:33 (twenty-three years ago)

Im paying now at work for the 12:01 showing last night.

I hear you there. Eeg.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 20:35 (twenty-three years ago)

T-3 hours, 39 minutes.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 20:41 (twenty-three years ago)

Fuck you and your Tom Bombadil (sic).


I wish I had wrote this. Haven't seen the movie yet, tho.

Nicole (Nicole), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 22:29 (twenty-three years ago)

*BOOM!!!!* (SPOILERS below people)

hahaha... :) well i was V HAPPY with it, apart from a few things eg. the ELVES turning up at Helm's Deep? Led by HALDIR THE GAY? Faramir being a complete TWUNT and trying to nick the ring (i was really hoping they'd put the line about "i would not pick this thing up if it were lying by the wayside")? and the Entmoot = rub, frankly. AND when they meet Eomer towards the beginning, and he's all like "oh sorry yeah we probably killed your friends. here's a couple of horses though!" and Arwen oh dear oh DEAR. when the horse was nuzzling Aragorn i exploded into giggles because it was OBV that he thought the horse was Arwen in his dream!

b-b-but! gollum! the Dead Marshes (i was TERRIFIED)! frodo turning on Sam (phwoar frodo show us your sting ect)! Gimli being HILARIOUS! Legolas not being utterly rubbish (though surfing down the steps of helm's deep i mean AHEM)! Aragorn being quite heroic! the "not idly do the leaves of Lorien fall" line (i love that line)! and GOLLUM ARGUING WITH HIMSELF it was one of the best scenes EVER!

and Grima wormtongue = he has a black velvet cape - he is a GOTH!!

hahaha! more later! i still want to HUNT SOME ORC!!

katie (katie), Thursday, 19 December 2002 09:24 (twenty-three years ago)

*SPOILERS*

I thought the film was great and my few qualms were almost exactly the same as katies above.

I liked the dream sequences - found the Eowyn/Aragorn attraction thing was good - it's in the book after all, just given a bit more attention in the movie. I actually really really liked the Eowyn character and the bit of ice-maiden thing , surrounded by death , stuff. I think it'll lead into the next movie well.

I didn't like Elves at Helm's Deep and Faramir taking the hobbits to osligoth(sp?). I wished the ent thing was more true to book as well - rather than Merry tricking treebeard to go south. Wished that the Ents/ Huorns (where were they?) went down to Helms Deep like they do in the book.

Viva Gollum! Viva the Dead Marshes! Viva Grima!! and Theoden!!

marianna, Thursday, 19 December 2002 10:13 (twenty-three years ago)

I liked the elves at Helm's Deep because Helm's Deep in the book is very boring and I was dreading 40 minutes of it - but they were grebt. To be honest I'd forgotten the elves weren't there. The Faramir stuff in the ruined city felt like it had been pasted in from a different fantasy epic (heh there are no different fantasy epics but you know what I mean - also why were they trying to defend this completely ruined town?). Agree with ents criticisms. The GLARING IDIOCY of letting Wormtongue to back to Saruman is even more GLARINGLY IDIOTIC when it's happening on a screen in front of you. Theoden and Eowyn were good, surely all right-thinking viewers will be on Eowyn's side rather than rubster Arwen. But the real actual love triangle - i.e. Sam/Frodo/Smeagol - was ACE.

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 19 December 2002 11:22 (twenty-three years ago)

Arwen is such a slut. V powerful scene though with Elrond foretelling her MISERABLE MORTAL DOOM hahaha. Also Gandalf vs Balrog: FITE = fantastic!!! More to come later...

Sarah (starry), Thursday, 19 December 2002 11:29 (twenty-three years ago)

hehe tom is totally OTM re. the love triangle. "b-b-but master frodo, I'M YOUR SAM!" THE HUMANITY (um the HOBBITRY?!) Sarah and i were both banking on big gurly hobbit-snogs but they never came. fneh oh well. the whole sam/frodo/gollum relationship is utterly brilliant and i LOVE how they handled the entire thing. and now i want to go and see it again.

katie (katie), Thursday, 19 December 2002 11:29 (twenty-three years ago)

ooh but Tom (thread revival WHERE ARE YOU NED??) the thing about the letting Wormtongue back to Saruman is another example (cf. Gollum) of when showing pity to someone ends up being the very wisest thing you can do. if it wasn't for Wormtongue, they wouldn't have got the Palantir AND i think he kills Saruman at the end of the book? so yes ON THE FACE OF IT they shd have killed him. but, like Gollum, he has a larger part to play.

katie (katie), Thursday, 19 December 2002 13:26 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes this is true IF they keep the Palantir and Shire-scouring bits in the film which I'm not 100% convinced they will. I can't actually remember what happens with the palantir in the book to be honest.

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 19 December 2002 13:32 (twenty-three years ago)

I started reading the books again last week for the first time since I was about 12 or 13 and boy oh boy am I enjoying them, I can't wait to see the film, I'm really looking forward to the part I read last night, "I have been through fire and deep water!" etc etc Gandalf returning. Also does it do the bit just before that when creepy Saruman appears Gimli reckons he's scared away the horses, given how cool Saruman looks in the films I think this scene needs to be there, eyes like windows in stone walls or whatever the quote was.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 19 December 2002 13:33 (twenty-three years ago)

uh Pippin looks into the palantir and goes a bit mental, and then ARAGORN SON OF ARATHORN uses it against sauron. Ronan they dont do that bit with Saruman but they do something else which is just as cool!

katie (katie), Thursday, 19 December 2002 13:35 (twenty-three years ago)

Bah! Don't get to see this until Boxing Day.


Palantir: Grima throws it out of Orthanc at Gandalf, Merry(?) looks in it & sees The Eye of Sauron, Aragorn keeps hold of it as descendant of Numenorian Kings?

Mooro (Mooro), Thursday, 19 December 2002 13:37 (twenty-three years ago)

I should have waited for Katie!

Mooro (Mooro), Thursday, 19 December 2002 13:39 (twenty-three years ago)

Does he use it against Sauron? I remember the Pippin bit. It always struck me as a bit rub - like the big thing at the end of book 3 hurrah we have the PALANTIR but then it never really did much. LOTR suffers from a plot problem though in the same way that Quidditch doesn't 'work' for me as a sport - the entire action of book 5 of LOTR makes no difference to the outcome one way or another, and it's going to seem even more so in the third film I guess.

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 19 December 2002 13:40 (twenty-three years ago)

yus! ;) i think it's Pippin. ISTR that he spends most of the book being told off by Gandalf for one thing or another!

cripes new message alert... um he kind of announces his presence to Sauron via the palantir to STRIKE PH34R into his heart, and wrests control of it away from him. its more a psyching-out measure i guess.

katie (katie), Thursday, 19 December 2002 13:44 (twenty-three years ago)

ooh and also to take the heat of Fwwwoarodo.

katie (katie), Thursday, 19 December 2002 13:45 (twenty-three years ago)

I tried seeing it last night but it was completely sold out. Probably will try seeing Gangs of New York tomorrow instead until the slavering hoards for TT die down a bit, even though Leo's Oirish accent sounds even more rub than David frickin' Boreanz's.

Nicole (Nicole), Thursday, 19 December 2002 14:39 (twenty-three years ago)

The cinema I saw it in was almost deserted, though the later screenings were sold out.

I have no idea what any of you are talking about.

Graham (graham), Thursday, 19 December 2002 14:57 (twenty-three years ago)

Fwoooooooaaaaarodo!

honestly, pay attention Graham ;)

katie (katie), Thursday, 19 December 2002 15:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I misread that as "inn of the poncing pony".

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 24 February 2003 20:21 (twenty-three years ago)

dan there is an andrew wk song that sounds like "let's go crazy" and other that sounds like "love vigilantes".

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 24 February 2003 20:23 (twenty-three years ago)

ARGH.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 24 February 2003 20:24 (twenty-three years ago)

i was thinking of posting this to ILM, stay tuned.

it will be RED HOT.

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 24 February 2003 20:30 (twenty-three years ago)

What do ponies pounce on?

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 24 February 2003 20:44 (twenty-three years ago)

Andrew WK, if we're all lucky.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 24 February 2003 20:45 (twenty-three years ago)

dan there is an andrew wk song that sounds like "let's go crazy" and other that sounds like "love vigilantes".

You know, Gygax, I could have you killed.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 24 February 2003 20:47 (twenty-three years ago)

mystic!

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 24 February 2003 20:55 (twenty-three years ago)

prancing pony... hahahahaha i just realized my error... ugh.

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 24 February 2003 20:56 (twenty-three years ago)

I wasn't going to say anything, I was too busy enjoying the idea of ponies pouncing.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 24 February 2003 20:57 (twenty-three years ago)

I am imagining them with giant balls of wool, not unlike kittens.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 24 February 2003 20:57 (twenty-three years ago)

two weeks pass...
is there a RotK thread yet?

from a friend's email today:
I went to visit a friend at Network Appliance, and they are supplying Peter Jackson with over 250 Terabytes of storage for the new movie. Apparently there are something like 20,000,000 non-human "actors" in the movie.

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 23:39 (twenty-three years ago)

ready for the big push

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 00:07 (twenty-three years ago)

haha terabytes

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 00:07 (twenty-three years ago)

awe ewe weady to wumble?

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 00:13 (twenty-three years ago)

four months pass...
Bestbuy.com is taking preorders for both the 2xDVD ($24.99) and the "expanded" edition ($59.99) for LOTR-T2T

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 19:31 (twenty-two years ago)

one month passes...
I forsee TT extended DVD including scene w/ Boromir's boat thingy going out to see and his cloven horn washing up on the river bank. Otherwise it's not really explained in the film why Farimir thinks Boromir is dead.

And based on the preview Marianna called it. :-) And the Huorns are going to turn up and the descent on the rope scene at the start of the Sam/Frodo/Gollum sequence and the Entdraughts and...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 28 August 2003 19:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Amazon is taking preorders for the *4*-disc extended version for $27.99 (released 11/18)

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 28 August 2003 19:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Speaking of which, does anyone know for certain why they put the extended movie across two discs? It isn't volume of material: I have DVDs with more hours of audio-video footage on a single disc. A friend told me it's because there's a finite number of tracks you can put on a disc, regardless of how much data is in them, and that the sheer number of scenes in the extended version is therefore the culprit. But I have no idea if that's true.

(I just find it very irritating to have to switch discs, and I know that a lot of early DVDs were double-sided because of sloppy coding.)

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 28 August 2003 20:33 (twenty-two years ago)

I think it's a combination of the various audio tracks for the movie presentation plus the four separate commentaries and then the extra footage as well. At least that's always been my understanding in this particular case.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 28 August 2003 20:48 (twenty-two years ago)

See, if it was the commentaries, I'd think they'd put two commentaries on each disc. That would have to be preferable. I can see it as one factor, though.

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 28 August 2003 21:03 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd think they'd put two commentaries on each disc

? Not following you here. You mean only two feature length commentaries instead of four?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 28 August 2003 21:26 (twenty-two years ago)

No, see, if having four commentaries was the only thing that required them to split it between two discs (actually, this would apply for audio tracks of any kind), why not just put the entirety of the movie on each of the discs -- one disc has the whole movie with commentaries #1 and #2, the other has the whole movie with commentaries #3 and #4.

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 28 August 2003 21:34 (twenty-two years ago)

*shrug* Hey, ya got me. I've heard stranger.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 28 August 2003 21:38 (twenty-two years ago)

haha, I'm pretty sure this is covered in the indices Ned and Tep... c'mon Ned, you don't remember that chapter? pshaw!

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 28 August 2003 21:51 (twenty-two years ago)

*weeps in shame*

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 28 August 2003 21:55 (twenty-two years ago)

stop crying i could be totally making this up but i think (perhaps even in one of the audio commentaries) somewhere in that mass of cinematic data is where the answer lies...

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 28 August 2003 22:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Man, now I have to listen to all four of them closely! (The cast one is excellent, so I'm not complaining much. I'm not sure I've ever heard a cast commentary where everyone seemed so sincere about loving the movie.)

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 28 August 2003 22:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Heh, I love that cast commentary -- the four hobbit actors are just cutting themselves up so ridiculously, Christopher Lee all wonderfully stern and proud, Ian McKellen bemused, etc. The only absence is Viggo Mortensen, which I regret -- as he was filmed for various bits in the documentaries I can only guess it was a scheduling issue. I love Orlando Bloom and John Rhys-Davies in particular because while they're both so merrily and obviously luvvies in the grand British style, Orlando is completely enthused about everything in such a generous way and Rhys-Davies has all sorts of good stories with the satisfaction.

But all four commentaries are good in their own ways (and the director/script one is the only spot throughout where Fran Walsh directly participates; she consciously avoided participating in the documentaries because she's generally a more private person, I gather).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 28 August 2003 22:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I felt so bad for Rhys-Davies, though, after the commentary and documentaries! It sounded like his filming experience was just plain miserable with the makeup and everything, and that he didn't get to be as much a part of the social parts as he might have otherwise.

The director/script one is the only other one I've heard in full -- the others, I've put on to listen to while I was cooking, something I can't do in this apartment since the kitchen is not similarly close to the living room.

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 28 August 2003 22:45 (twenty-two years ago)

He certainly admits to worries and strife but there are other moments in the documentaries where Dominic M. or Mr. Wood or the like talk about hanging around with him and all, so all wasn't pain for him. Good thing too!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 28 August 2003 22:46 (twenty-two years ago)

orlando bloom sounds really dumb... or is it just me?

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 28 August 2003 23:30 (twenty-two years ago)

(that's really dumb)

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 28 August 2003 23:30 (twenty-two years ago)

He sounds very young to me (how old is he, come to think of it?) -- I'm not sure if that's the same thing as dumb, cause you grow out of young ...

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 28 August 2003 23:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Orlando is only is his late 20's (I think), so you can't really expect him to show the same amount of wisdom (maturity?) as say, Ian McKellen. However, that alone doesn't equal dumb

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Thursday, 28 August 2003 23:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Man, now I have to listen to all four of them closely! (The cast one is excellent, so I'm not complaining much. I'm not sure I've ever heard a cast commentary where everyone seemed so sincere about loving the movie.)

How true! Sad gal that I was, I hadn't listened to most of the commentaries until this past weekend. In spots, it was more fun to listen to the commentary (as I'd seen the movie already, natch). It's rare that you hear every actor in a cast actually say that they loved doing a project. Where else would you find out that Christopher Lee smashed his hand before filming?

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Thursday, 28 August 2003 23:56 (twenty-two years ago)

to clarify, orlando bloom seemed like the lone cast member NOT to have been a fan (or even had read) the books. the dimension to his commentary seems to focus on how "cool" everything was... maybe he had a recent trepanation?

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 29 August 2003 00:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Orlando is only is his late 20's (I think)

Not even that, early 20s.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 29 August 2003 00:44 (twenty-two years ago)

the dimension to his commentary seems to focus on how "cool" everything was...

I dunno, I liked that (and he wasn't saying 'cool' all the time or anything)! If anything he was talking about sheer enthusiam for the joys of cinema as a watcher and I think it came across really well. He might not have been Pauline Kael or the like, but are we expecting that of such commentaries?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 29 August 2003 00:46 (twenty-two years ago)

i know i am.

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 29 August 2003 00:53 (twenty-two years ago)

*bows in acknowledgment*

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 29 August 2003 01:20 (twenty-two years ago)

seriously, do you think he read the books? listen to a couple minutes of his commentary... i have a feeling he was cast to up the mimbo ante:

"orlando bloom, he might look good on the poster, he doesn't have many lines does he?"

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 29 August 2003 01:26 (twenty-two years ago)

seriously, do you think he read the books?

Elijah Wood has often noted that he was never able to finish LOTR itself, so personally I don't think that's much of an issue. But if you must play the card, Bloom *does* say on the commentary that he had read it at least once.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 29 August 2003 01:31 (twenty-two years ago)

two months pass...
Ho! Tom Bombadil, Tom Bombadillo!
By water, wood and hill, by the reed and willow,
By fire, sun and moon, harken now and hear us!
Come, Tom Bombadil, for our need is near us!

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 20:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Thankfully not included in the extended edition. The reincorporated material focuses on a lot of background info and extra detail and really makes the movie stand on a bit more solid ground than before -- my two chief complaints above are addressed pretty well:

* Though I still think that the Ents come off as almost willfully ignorant on certain things and that they could have written the movie to have Treebeard be more immediately understanding, they do set it up so that Saruman's decision to start hacking into Fangorn happened almost right there and then in second-movie-timeframe terms, and thus making it more an honest surprise.

* The seemingly complete rewrite of Faramir's character from the book is much more conditional now -- the Faramir/Denethor/Boromir plays out the tensions described but not directly encountered in the book within that family and his initial actions are less surprising/less of a switch than before.

A lot of the additional scenes came straight from the book or used a lot of the direct dialogue, v. nice -- and Old Man Willow sorta shows up indirectly!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 20:44 (twenty-two years ago)

one year passes...
am keeping halfan eye on this on tv. it's pretty dece. i haven't seen any of lotr or read it, so i don't really know what the blazes is going on.

Theorry Henry (Enrique), Sunday, 13 November 2005 20:45 (twenty years ago)

I had a thought...

Liv Tyler elf lady doesn't really have to worry about being alone. old Legolas will still be around won't he? I can't remember if he left or not?

jel -- (jel), Monday, 14 November 2005 18:08 (twenty years ago)

He leaves, according to the book.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 November 2005 18:12 (twenty years ago)

bloody books.

jel -- (jel), Monday, 14 November 2005 18:19 (twenty years ago)

seventeen years pass...

It's been twenty years! Remember when!

Well, those of us on the podcast did...

https://www.megaphonic.fm/bythebywater/45

Ned Raggett, Monday, 5 December 2022 21:44 (three years ago)


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