― Lyra, Wednesday, 22 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― anthony, Wednesday, 22 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― DG, Wednesday, 22 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Arthur, Wednesday, 22 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 22 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
--Homer [Simpson]
― JM, Wednesday, 22 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
1. It is dull.
2. It is time consuming.
3. Chance of sequesterment, higher in NYC.
4. It is all the way in the hard to get to part of downtown NYC.
5. IT EATS UP WORK - this is the real kicker. I am in a high pressure job environment. I do not have the time to take away for jury duty.
― Ally, Wednesday, 22 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
I'm of two minds of it. I honestly do believe that if one can afford to take the time off from work that one should do it out of civic responsibility. On the other hand, it would still be a bit of a drag and I don't like the idea of being sequestered either. And smart-ass me would be squirming in my seat if one of the lawyers or the judge made an obvious bone-headed mistake (like admitting in some very inadmissible hearsay evidence).
― Tadeusz Suchodolski, Wednesday, 22 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
I did jury service once with lots of women. It was hard, but so is life. Interesting too.
― Nick, Thursday, 23 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
It was very interesting though
― cabbage, Thursday, 23 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Kerry, Thursday, 23 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Why do you say that? I come in on weekends, I work til 6:30 or 7, I only take half hour lunches, I'm running around all day. When I had to leave for J.D. I had to come in on the weekend to catch up, because no one helps me out with my shit while I'm gone.
― Ally, Thursday, 23 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Jury Duty is better if you have wireless net access
― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Monday, 24 October 2005 14:11 (eighteen years ago) link
― ken c (ken c), Monday, 24 October 2005 14:15 (eighteen years ago) link
― Kurt Russell in the Chinese Quarter (nordicskilla), Monday, 24 October 2005 14:15 (eighteen years ago) link
― Paranoid Spice (kate), Monday, 24 October 2005 14:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― katrina vanden roffle (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 24 October 2005 14:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― ken c (ken c), Monday, 24 October 2005 14:16 (eighteen years ago) link
Hi! I'm in a meeting!!!
― Kurt Russell in the Chinese Quarter (nordicskilla), Monday, 24 October 2005 14:16 (eighteen years ago) link
That's for goddamn sure -- every time I've been waiting in that room (three times now) I feel my soul being sucked from my body. It's impossible to read a book comfortably there.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 24 October 2005 14:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― ken c (ken c), Monday, 24 October 2005 14:18 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 24 October 2005 14:22 (eighteen years ago) link
― Kurt Russell in the Chinese Quarter (nordicskilla), Monday, 24 October 2005 14:24 (eighteen years ago) link
― nathalie, a bum like you (stevie nixed), Monday, 24 October 2005 14:32 (eighteen years ago) link
― katrina vanden roffle (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 24 October 2005 14:36 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 24 October 2005 14:37 (eighteen years ago) link
― katrina vanden roffle (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 24 October 2005 14:38 (eighteen years ago) link
― righteousmaelstrom (righteousmaelstrom), Monday, 24 October 2005 15:54 (eighteen years ago) link
― jel -- (jel), Monday, 24 October 2005 16:03 (eighteen years ago) link
State employees and "homemakers and retirees" were specifically told to report.
― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Monday, 24 October 2005 16:34 (eighteen years ago) link
― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Monday, 24 October 2005 20:00 (eighteen years ago) link
also good cheap thai and vietnamese lunches in chinatown.
― m coleman (lovebug starski), Monday, 24 October 2005 20:44 (eighteen years ago) link
― I do feel guilty for getting any perverse amusement out of it (Rock Hardy), Monday, 24 October 2005 20:50 (eighteen years ago) link
― jw (ex machina), Monday, 24 October 2005 20:52 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 24 October 2005 20:52 (eighteen years ago) link
― jw (ex machina), Monday, 24 October 2005 20:58 (eighteen years ago) link
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Monday, 24 October 2005 22:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― m coleman (lovebug starski), Monday, 24 October 2005 22:22 (eighteen years ago) link
The man broke down in tears as the judge asked if his son would be proud to know how his father had responded to jury service. "Nothing's funny about this, this is a serious matter to these men," she angrily told the man who said he'd answered so irresponsibly because he didn't want to serve on the jury.
― sub-dwayne nelson (dr g), Monday, 24 October 2005 22:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Monday, 24 October 2005 22:43 (eighteen years ago) link
― emilys. (emilys.), Monday, 24 October 2005 23:11 (eighteen years ago) link
The last time I remember particularly well, in a 1950s-era courtroom in the back of the Scottish Supreme Courts building. Waiting outside the courtroom, there was the usual selection of people who either couldn't or didn't want to get out of jury service; I was sat next to a avuncular and friendly-looking old man. When we got into the courtroom, I was slightly surprised when he headed for the dock instead of the public seats. He was charged with several counts of various charges, which boiled down to a common theme of incestuous child abuse, 15 to 30 years earlier.
I was glad I wasn't selected - indeed, noone was; the prosecution still hadn't persuaded all their witnesses to testify. Every morning the judge would open proceedings, then the potential jurors would all be shepherded back out of the courtroom into the waiting area so the prosecuting advocate could argue that the trial be adjourned to the following day so he could get his witnesses ready. After three or four days of this, the judge got a bit pissed off, and told the potential jurors we could all go home.
― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 06:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 07:10 (eighteen years ago) link
― nathalie, a bum like you (stevie nixed), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 07:17 (eighteen years ago) link
― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 07:24 (eighteen years ago) link
coming soon from rockstar games
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COMING SOON IN ALL GOOD VIDEO GAMES STORE
― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 08:50 (eighteen years ago) link
just kidding
― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 09:10 (eighteen years ago) link
― Poppy (poppy), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 11:13 (eighteen years ago) link
but, to quote stirmonster upthread, serving for a potentially extended period can be ruinous for many people.
weirdly i just got summoned ayet another time a couple of weeks ago. i'm going to ignore it again and will report back if i hear anything more. it does seem here in Scotland they don't follow up, but in other countries the experience may vary!
― stirmonster, Monday, 27 March 2023 23:49 (one year ago) link
i wouldn't want to try that here. just got a grand jury notice. one of the questionnaire questions is "do you want to serve". i wouldn't mind, but $15/day for a month is absurd. i'll look at our MOU and see if the county kicks in anything. otherwise no freakin' way
― Half Japanese Breakfast (outdoor_miner), Tuesday, 28 March 2023 13:03 (one year ago) link
I served on a grand jury- a decade ago, time flies! I was the assistant foreperson, which meant that I sat up front and read the charges when it came time to do so and vote. There was a time when I could imitate the bailiff and most of the assistant DAs. My jury room got along pretty well and I thought it was a good experience but my job paid my regular salary while I was there so I might have felt differently if that was not the case.
― It’s Only Her Factory, Girl! (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 28 March 2023 13:46 (one year ago) link
It is baffling to me that grand juries are considered legitimate
― Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Tuesday, 28 March 2023 14:06 (one year ago) link
Ham sandwich?
― It’s Only Her Factory, Girl! (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 28 March 2023 16:12 (one year ago) link
hi!
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 9 May 2023 12:31 (ten months ago) link
You and 11 others judging cocktails.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 9 May 2023 12:39 (ten months ago) link
Line'em up!
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 9 May 2023 12:41 (ten months ago) link
Free! The judge, without giving reasons, dismissed us, thanked us rather courteously for our service.
Me an hour before the dismissal:
https://i.imgur.com/AB6419Y.jpg
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 9 May 2023 19:04 (ten months ago) link
Pretty sure masking would result in auto-dismissal around here.
― The Terroir of Tiny Town (WmC), Tuesday, 9 May 2023 19:30 (ten months ago) link
two fucking weeks! and it's a 75 minute drive each way!
― frogbs, Wednesday, 8 November 2023 04:31 (four months ago) link
75 minutes?? what the hell
― Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 8 November 2023 19:09 (four months ago) link
Good show imo
― Dwigt Rortugal (Eric H.), Wednesday, 8 November 2023 19:20 (four months ago) link
I also got called for jury duty. I was called in for a civil case in Brooklyn over a decade ago and I was there only through the early afternoon. This time it was for a criminal case in a different borough and it was a grueling night and day difference - once again, I wasn't selected, but it was a tedious, long drawn-out process lasting from Friday through Wednesday. Even worse was they awkwardly grilled everyone in front of the entire courtroom - in the civil case, the lawyers took everyone out one by one into the hallway and spoke to them in private, so you felt freer to talk. At least the commute wasn't long.
― birdistheword, Wednesday, 8 November 2023 20:08 (four months ago) link
yup this is a federal criminal case and I think the idea was to bring out of towners because this story apparently was on the local news a bunch and if you'd heard of it you were disqualified. unfortunately I get all my news from ILX so I was kind of screwed there.
― frogbs, Thursday, 9 November 2023 00:49 (four months ago) link
it's actually a federal case against an ILXOR.
RICO in fact
― a very very unfair (Neanderthal), Thursday, 9 November 2023 04:35 (four months ago) link
I got a jury duty summons this summer that showed up in the mail three days after I was supposed to go in.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 9 November 2023 04:39 (four months ago) link
LOL, nice.
Also, one tip I learned from jury duty (which may not work for everyone) - quite a few people in my group got dismissed within the first 10-15 minutes of being in front of the judge because they already booked travel plans in the coming week or two, when the trial was going to happen. (I should add, we blew most of the day bored out of our minds in the waiting room, so at best they left the courthouse close to 4pm.) The judge basically asked this question to everyone after we were sworn in, so it was the easiest argument any juror could make to get dismissed without getting any pushback. "I already have a flight booked to ____ and will be gone for a week." Granted, it may not be practical to just book such a flight simply because you see you have jury duty, but it's a nice trick if that option is somehow available to you (maybe there's a trip you were going to take anyway or maybe it can be for business). Since it's November, a lot of people had extended holiday travel for either the middle or the end of the month.
― birdistheword, Thursday, 9 November 2023 06:32 (four months ago) link
I got a letter I was meant to respond to months ago which I haven’t. See what happens
― H.P, Thursday, 9 November 2023 06:46 (four months ago) link
When i had jury duty a few months ago anyone claiming any kind of hardship got a total grilling by the judge. He wanted every little detail about their excuse for not being there, exactly when their flights would be etc. A couple of people with legit reasons to be absent made their case at length but then noone else tried it as it was clear that anything more frivolous wasn't going to fly.
― Kim Kimberly, Thursday, 9 November 2023 06:51 (four months ago) link
eric otm
― vashti funyuns (sic), Thursday, 9 November 2023 07:29 (four months ago) link
xp it really is the luck of the draw with judges. NY state's website says you need to be able to show proof, and since we're all sworn under oath beforehand, it's a really, really bad idea to lie, but I've heard different experiences with judges where you have one who will say "can you show proof of this?" and others who clearly just want to keep things moving and just say "we'll make a note of that" then dismiss the juror after conferring with the attorneys later on.
― birdistheword, Thursday, 9 November 2023 22:26 (four months ago) link
I got called once maybe 10 years ago but my mom was really sick at the time and I was kind of on standby in case anything happened to her. I told them that and they didn't ask anything else.
― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Thursday, 9 November 2023 22:29 (four months ago) link
When one of the lawyers asked if any of us had any thoughts on being there I raised my hand and, being honest, said I had no interest in serving, that I felt bad about being away from my (then new) job, and that I was just watching the clock and waiting to get away. I didn't get picked.
― Kim Kimberly, Thursday, 9 November 2023 23:15 (four months ago) link
I remember reading years ago about a judge who held a potential juror in contempt because it was clear he was just saying anything to get out of jury duty. That made me paranoid about saying the wrong thing, but at this point, I think it really just depends on the judge.
I was honest to the court and said "I'm not comfortable making any promises." The guy to my left (I'm guessing a college student) immediately said, "YEAH YEAH! I'm, uh, not comfortable making any promises too." It was so blatantly obvious he was parroting my answer to get out of jury duty that I wanted to look at him and be like "seriously dude?" That was literally the ONLY thing he ever said during the whole selection process that might've raised a flag, and sure enough he wasn't picked. Like it was easy for him but somehow I felt like everything I was saying was getting grilled or pushed back.
― birdistheword, Thursday, 9 November 2023 23:44 (four months ago) link
The lawyer followed up by asking, were i to be picked, if i would be able to focus on the case. I said yeah probably but those had been my honest thoughts about it.
― Kim Kimberly, Thursday, 9 November 2023 23:50 (four months ago) link
well thank god that's over, wound up getting a federal sex trafficking case and that shit was brutal. also I genuinely think the defense might've hired the single worst attorney on the entire planet. that said I don't think even Johnnie Cochran could've helped this dude
― frogbs, Thursday, 16 November 2023 04:01 (four months ago) link
Would never occur to me to “try to get out of” jury duty, it’s important for people who aren’t 1000 years old to serve on juries
― G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Thursday, 16 November 2023 04:28 (four months ago) link
idk I most definitely did not want to do it. it basically left my wife alone with most of the kid duties for a while and also I work an office job so its not like someone is "covering for me", I have to work twice as hard for the next couple weeks which'll cut down on my ILX posting time
― frogbs, Thursday, 16 November 2023 04:31 (four months ago) link
Thing is, even when you're willing, serving on a jury can be enormously stressful. For the criminal case, it was stressful for me just to be up there in front of the accused for a variety of reasons - I didn't even want to make eye contact with the guy the entire time. I understand the logic of making yourself known to the defendant, but it's kind of unnerving that a potential criminal knows your name and neighborhood and all this information the court may pry out of you (and IIRC your identity becomes public record once the trial is finished). By the same token, it's mentally a lot to have a deciding vote on whether someone should go to jail, and people do second guess their verdicts later - I live in a state that notoriously had many questionable death row verdicts overturned, and I'm not sure if I can look myself in the mirror everyday if I knew someone's life was ruined because of me, even if the evidence was actually tainted and my verdict was technically honest and made in good faith. I realize jury duty is important, that we should have intelligent people trying their best to find a just outcome, but I'm not sure I'd have the stomach for it.
― birdistheword, Thursday, 16 November 2023 05:08 (four months ago) link
*lived in a state
still never even reached the early group stage (proof if proof be that the legal profession reads my posts)
― mark s, Thursday, 16 November 2023 10:48 (four months ago) link
(self-evidently the correct metric *sigh*)
― mark s, Thursday, 16 November 2023 10:52 (four months ago) link
I’ve never been to even the selection stage. I’ve had two postcards twenty years apart saying “call on this date”, called and was immediately told I wasn’t needed.
― deep wubs and tribral rhythms (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 16 November 2023 13:47 (four months ago) link
there's definitely something awkward about the whole experience. I mean you're kind of the centerpiece of the entire thing - every argument made, every piece of evidence, every witness who comes in (some of whom had to fly in from across the country!) is all done to persuade you and the other jurors. but you don't know these people, you're not allowed to research who they are, you can't even talk to anyone (including the other jurors!) about the case until the very end
I guess I was lucky in that this case was basically a slam dunk. but yeah it was still stressful because, despite the fact that he was clearly a violent psycho whose attorney was constantly incriminating him further, he still was on trial for some very specific things, and there were definitely certain doubts and technicalities there. we all agreed the dude needed to be locked up (as much as I hate to say that) but yeah that is a very weighty decision. it feels kinda gross knowing you played a part in that.
― frogbs, Thursday, 16 November 2023 14:50 (four months ago) link
I received my second-ever jury duty summons recently. Supposed to be on deck the first week of December.
I'm guessing it'll go like the last time I got the notice. I called the info line and they only wanted people numbered 1 - 100, and I had a much higher number. My number this time is over 400.
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Thursday, 16 November 2023 15:35 (four months ago) link
Mom got out of criminal jury duty a decade ago by telling the judge she refused to sit in a courtroom with a guilty man staring at her. I think what led to her dismissal was using "guilty" instead of "accused."
― stuffing your suit pockets with cold, stale chicken tende (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 16 November 2023 15:39 (four months ago) link
Eek I'm on deck for a nasty sounding criminal trial. I don't have any real legally valid reasons as a "hardship". I answered the questionnaire and I think I only marked a few small things that are going to raise eyebrows. I have to go back in in another week and a half unless I get a call beforehand. If I get selected, it'll run through the beginning of February.
― fajita seas, Friday, 17 November 2023 00:01 (four months ago) link
...and I did serve, for 6 and a half weeks (Fridays and Christmas week off). The rules of evidence are very tedious, but the other jurors were all super cool.
― fajita seas, Wednesday, 17 January 2024 16:29 (two months ago) link
good to hear about the jurors
I got a text message two days before I was supposed to report in December saying my service was over. Guess that my number being over 400 and the number of jurors they expected to need meant I was once again unneeded surplus
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Wednesday, 17 January 2024 18:36 (two months ago) link
prosecutors be readin ILX
― Disco Biollante (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 17 January 2024 18:41 (two months ago) link
6 1/2 weeks!! god damn!!
― frogbs, Wednesday, 17 January 2024 18:59 (two months ago) link
― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Friday, 19 January 2024 00:02 (two months ago) link
Went today and it was a real nail biter whether I’d be selected. Perhaps unconsciously I asked a question that flustered them in the interview round, so they chose someone else
― calstars, Thursday, 15 February 2024 22:40 (one month ago) link
Ooh, what was the question?
― peace, man, Friday, 16 February 2024 13:06 (one month ago) link
I asked where the settlement money was coming from
― calstars, Friday, 16 February 2024 13:22 (one month ago) link
Interesting!
― peace, man, Friday, 16 February 2024 15:16 (one month ago) link
I got a nice thank you letter from the judge today.
BTW one thing that totally worked as a way to get out of jury duty for a few people for this criminal trial: Apparently there's a whole bunch of police body cam videos online, a lot related to officer-involved shootings. Just say "I watch these a lot...it's better than Cops!"
― fajita seas, Friday, 16 February 2024 21:35 (one month ago) link
I think it’s shameful to try to get out of duty if you’re otherwise able. Really shows that you prioritize yourself and aren’t willing to pitch in
― calstars, Friday, 16 February 2024 21:37 (one month ago) link
xp Yeah I got the impression they don't want people who have distinctly pro- (they asked if anyone knew or were related to anyone in the police) or anti-cop views (there were questions related to trusting the police).
― Kim Kimberly, Friday, 16 February 2024 21:45 (one month ago) link