People who say, "I'm not Aztec, why should I participate in human sacrifice" - classic or Grand Commissar of the Collective Cockfarm?

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Even when you're nice to them and say "C'mon, have a heart!", they refuse!

dave q, Monday, 23 December 2002 11:09 (twenty-three years ago)

The Aztecs weren't the only ones

geeta (geeta), Monday, 23 December 2002 11:12 (twenty-three years ago)

Aztec Camera weren't The Only Ones, either.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 23 December 2002 11:26 (twenty-three years ago)

by the standards of the time, the human sacrifice practiced by the Aztecs was not overly excessive.

DV (dirtyvicar), Monday, 23 December 2002 11:55 (twenty-three years ago)

and THATS where they went wrong.

Alan (Alan), Monday, 23 December 2002 12:05 (twenty-three years ago)

didnt they used to pile the eyeballs they would extract on top of each othert in this gigantic eye-pile ? and what about that "basketball game" they would pay wherer both the winnes and losers (i may be wrong) had their insides ripped out at the end? or maybe just the losers

Vic (Vic), Monday, 23 December 2002 12:12 (twenty-three years ago)

The basketball game is the Mayas, I think.

I also think it didn't stay the same throughout all of Mayan history... sometimes the losers were murdered horribly afterwards, sometimes they weren't. The game itself was incredibly violent, I gather.

apparently the Mayan ballgame had a great rule whereby the winners were allowed loot whatever they liked from the people in the audience. So people used get killed in the stampedes when the match was nearly over.

why don't they resurrect this excellent sport? It would make a great 2000AD story.

DV (dirtyvicar), Monday, 23 December 2002 12:14 (twenty-three years ago)


"by the standards of the time, the human sacrifice practiced by the Aztecs was not overly excessive"

"when Bernal Diaz arrived in Mexico with the army of Hernan Cortes, he and his fellow Spaniards were not shocked to witness slavery, the subjection of women, or brutal treatment of war captives; these were familiar enough practices among the conquistadors. But they were appalled at the magnitude of cannibalism and human sacrifice. As Diaz describes it, in an account generally corroborated by modern scholars:

They strike open the wretched Indian's chest with flint knives and hastily tear out the palpitating heart which, with the blood, they present to the idols in whose name they have performed the sacrifice. Then they cut off the arms, thighs, and head, eating the arms and thighs at their ceremonial banquets. The head they hang up on a beam, and the body of the sacrificed man is not eaten but given to the beasts of prey.

When Cortes captured the Aztec emperor Montezuma and his attendants, he would only permit them temporary release on the promise that they stop their traditional practices of cannibalism and human sacrifice, but he found that "as soon as we turned our heads they would resume their old cruelties." Aztec cannibalism, writes anthropologist Marvin Harris, "was not a perfunctory tasting of ceremonial tidbits." Indeed the Aztecs on a regular basis consumed human flesh in a stew with peppers and tomatoes, and children were regarded as a particular delicacy. Cannibalism was prevalent among the Aztecs, Guarani, Iroquois, Caribs, and several other tribes.

Moreover, the Aztecs of Mexico and the Incas of South America performed elaborate rites of human sacrifice, in which thousands of captive Indians were ritually murdered, until their altars were drenched in blood, bones were strewn everywhere, and priests collapsed with exhaustion from stabbing their victims. The law of the Incas provided for punishment of parents and others who displayed grief during human sacrifices. When men of noble birth died, wives and concubines were often strangled and buried with them."

JH, Monday, 23 December 2002 12:22 (twenty-three years ago)

I was joking when I made the "by the standards of the time" comment. It is a feature of history books that whenever they talk about some awful act committed by someone in the past they say something like "By the standards of the time Genghis Khan was not overly bloodthirsty".

DV (dirtyvicar), Monday, 23 December 2002 13:12 (twenty-three years ago)

I just don't understand how a civilization that so advanced in the ciences - particularly astronomy/astrology, mathematics and timekeeping - could be so barbaric in some respects, at the same time. I know you can say the same thing about a number of other cultures, but the contrast here still stuns me..

The law of the Incas provided for punishment of parents and others who displayed grief during human sacrifices.
Thats terrible, but all the parents would still acquiesce - why? another example of conforming to society = not necess. right thing to do

Vic (Vic), Monday, 23 December 2002 13:19 (twenty-three years ago)

THIS HEART IS DELICIOUS

Jonathan Williams (ex machina), Monday, 23 December 2002 14:04 (twenty-three years ago)

it doesn't stun me Vic, particularly when you consider that they were only advanced in certain branches of the sciences. They didn't have writing. Or the wheel.

MarkH (MarkH), Monday, 23 December 2002 15:54 (twenty-three years ago)

I thought they had writing, or at least enough writing to do those calculations? It's still stunning.

Vic (Vic), Tuesday, 24 December 2002 01:09 (twenty-three years ago)

Letters, math and science weren't harnessed humanely in the old days. One savage civilization with advanced math, calendar AND writing attacked it's enemies with a ROBOTIC DRONE from hundreds of miles away! er...

Hunter (Hunter), Tuesday, 24 December 2002 03:37 (twenty-three years ago)

Using the words "advanced" and "barbaric" in regards to cultural groups, Vic? tsk, tsk, you're not a very good liberal are you? :)

, Tuesday, 24 December 2002 05:05 (twenty-three years ago)

"what about that "basketball game" they would pay wherer both the winnes and losers (i may be wrong) had their insides ripped out at the end?"

Oh sh*t, my Nuggets fantasy!

Hunter (Hunter), Tuesday, 24 December 2002 05:24 (twenty-three years ago)

One savage civilization with advanced math, calendar AND writing attacked it's enemies with a ROBOTIC DRONE from hundreds of miles away!

And they called that civilisation...RADIOHEAD.

Anyway, I think the Aztecs had the right idea, except I wouldn't eat people. I don't like to eat too much meat. Sports where the loser is eaten! It's fantastic! I think the Super Bowl should be played that way. And the Stanley Cup, hockey players are savage. Except they have no teeth so how would they eat their opponent? That's a quandry.

Baseball players are not so savage though. I mean could you even imagine Jeter eating a person? Maybe Roger Clemens, he's insane.

Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 24 December 2002 05:38 (twenty-three years ago)

Using the words "advanced" and "barbaric" in regards to cultural groups, Vic? tsk, tsk, you're not a very good liberal are you? :)

I'm NOT a liberal, i'm a ..oh wha are those people called again? a reactionary. we have to go back to the caves, man

Vic (Vic), Tuesday, 24 December 2002 06:34 (twenty-three years ago)

VIC

Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 24 December 2002 06:38 (twenty-three years ago)

um oops.

Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 24 December 2002 06:38 (twenty-three years ago)

OH SHIT. I am drunk. VIC what about Derek Jeter?

God to post three posts for THAT. How sad is that? I should do something really extrodinary to make up for it. Trust you me, I am stripping for everyone right now.

Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 24 December 2002 06:38 (twenty-three years ago)

yes! I'M MAKING HER SCREAM MY NAME FOLKS!!

i knew this would happen =)

Vic (Vic), Tuesday, 24 December 2002 06:47 (twenty-three years ago)

I think Derek Jeter is CAPABALE OF ANYTHING HE DATED THAT HUMAN SAUSAGE = MARIAH...OF COURSE HE COULD EAT LITTLE CHILDREN

Ally, what are you wearing right now? anythin' sexXxee?

Vic (Vic), Tuesday, 24 December 2002 06:49 (twenty-three years ago)

HAHAHAHA the Human Sausage. Poor Mariah, don't you pity her at all??

I'll be wearing something seXXXy if i ever put on PJs tonite and don't just go straight to work.

Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 24 December 2002 07:03 (twenty-three years ago)

I almost pitied her after seeing her Larry King interview, but then I had to hear a snippet of her new song somewhere againg and as I almost barfed on myself, my pity had to stop.

You're working at 1:00 am on x-mas eve? i wonder what u make

Vic (Vic), Tuesday, 24 December 2002 07:15 (twenty-three years ago)

wait wuz ally making some sort of sky self-deprecating joke about prostituting that ttoally went over my thick head?

Vic (Vic), Tuesday, 24 December 2002 07:53 (twenty-three years ago)


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