She Spies?

I wonder what this thread was about. Mata Hari? Stalker exes? Interfering mothers?

I thought it might be a shish kebab in pie format, but it's a TV show, apparently. Tag line: Bad girls... gone good. Sounds very high quality.

It looked kind of like VIP.

Only without the ostentatious boobs.

Ostentatious through presentation or sheer size (I do not know what VIP is and I fear google will not help in this matter).

Hmmm.. VIP "ostentatious boobs"

A successful googlewhack but I'm still no wiser.

Sheer size. "VIP" is a TV show starring Pamela Anderson as a star-turned-bodyguard. Every episode features her boobs, mostly because they are large and silly-looking.

I haven't seen that show, but my band has a song called SHE'S A SPY which I'm sure is way way cooler than something called SHE SPIES. It's about being unfaithful and it's not about me. Ok, I'm struggling here trying to find a way to contribute today...

You should employ ostentatious boobs.

This thread must have been about Daphne & Celeste's 'Spy Girl'. Sorry I missed it.

Nick's gonna look pretty stupid now!

re: VIP, I know it's not exactly surprising but I mean, once someone hovered over her breasts with a sword for about a five minute shot.

Were they deciding whether to chop em off?

re: Uma Thurman's pilot in Pulp Fiction. I always thought that was bsaed on Codename Foxfire, 80's TV series (very shortlived) with Joanna Cassidy as spy leading a team of agents that included Sheryl Lee Ralph as a catburglar.

am i the only one who watches this show semi-regularly? granted, the first season was 3214234234 times better, thanks mainly to Jack, but it's still pretty good (pretty good=so poorly written and produced that it makes you laugh your ass off at 2 am saturday night). it's really the perfect followup to the trainwreck of a show that is Cheaters.

i went to college with N@tashia Williams (not the blond Natasha). she's been dating a friend of mine since they were in highschool. she looks 3214234234 times better in real life. they make her hair and make up look way too grown up and boring in the show.

So, yeah, I hung out on the set of She Spies last summer in LA. It was sweet.

a friend of mine and n@tashia williams started a band together. it's not my favorite

http://www.suspendedapprehension.com/

I was quite the "fan" of the one girl on USA's excellent USA High, and yet neither that or the saddening presence of Carlos Jacott can inspire me to actually watch this show.

Is this show still in production? It's one of those shows like Mutant X or many other syndicated action shows where you don't know if it's still going or if it's been cancelled for 3 years. I'm not really sure why I'm curious, I've never watched it.

the earlier shows were really weird, like the network (it started on nbc!) decided at least ten years too late that it needed a post-ironic, media-theory-savvy female spy show spoof and paid a bunch of cultural studies graduates to give them one.

at some point, maybe after they ran out of existing episodes and ongoing syndication called for more, they cut back on the overt corniness and constant self-aware dialog gags, which made it more boring (i.e. more like the standard syndicated action show style). then they replaced carlos jacott with some dude.

haha yeah the show felt v. casual an amateurish in the best way whenever i caught it but i never rilly bothered with it much.

cheaters on the other hand i can't watch because it's just too sad.

i followed mutant x for a while, on occasion, and like i said i was a big andromeda fan.

i read the episode guide for Lost World on a slow day at work and that looked like it coulda gone somewhere then just got weird and tanked.

she spies never really had the big corny strange uber-plot-arcs of MYSTERY that drive the good action-hour shows tho, did it?

no, it was an episodic situation-dramedy! half of each show was mostly setting up the gig, including the part where they made the spies go 'undercover' to infiltrate whatever the week's thing was (usually a pretense for one or two spies to have to assume some potentially demeaning identity while the remaining ones got to do the breaking or the entering or the computer nerd work). then the other half involved the spies working out some nominally clever way of extricating themselves from the harrowing situation they put themselves into (often because they were split up or weren't working together!), or at the very least, waiting for one of the absent ones to show up and fix things (often by screwing up first upon happening upon the others, then fixing things).

they touched on some long-term plotting, i think, related to their fulfilling their obligations to the government, but i think after the replacement for jack showed up they just kind of downplayed that stuff and made like they were just for some reason an independently acting group of female spies.

mutant x was boring as shit due to its single point of interest being ANDY WARHOL AS AN EVIL MUTANT SCIENTIST GUY. and lost world, eh, until i spot a pseudo-victorian dude to put the tarzan girl in context i'm not sure if i've stumbled across an episode of beastmaster or a random sci-fi channel show or what.

syndicated television dramas and action shows underscore just how boring tv can be from minute to minute without, like, stories or good writing or acting.

but yeah, andromeda was v. interesting. also very amateurish! in the sci-fi-fans-who-made-up-a-narrative-world-and-let-it-go sense.

lost world kept promising they'd learn the SECRET behind EVERYTHING strange that happened to them but the ep guide made it look like they got cut short a season and just made up an "and then they escaped -- the end" episode. i saw the two-parter with the ghost zepplin and it was freaking and exciting and weird.

mutant x was lame after andy warhol was defeated, yeah. the really strange "exciting" action cinematography was awesome though.

the she-spies formula is how not only classic spy shows but also spy movies usually work too, no? i mean, with more or less silliness. they never got the tension right though in the suspense bits.

i like the action hour stuff i think when it's totally compellingly wtf which is how i started watching andromeda -- i tuned in this episode and it just made no sense at all. i think this is especially coz it was right in the middle of the one where the future and present trances switch.

i've caught bits and pieces of startrek tng lately while channelflipping and it doesn't seem like it had much more going for it than the action hours, if that? if anything, the characters seem even more awful and awkwardly scripted b/c the plots took so much time to "develop" them.

is the 4400 the next generation of this? they already did a "what if this was all a DREAM" episode which was the same as the "the whole episode turns out to have been in his HEAD" episode.

ha i was thinking that mutant x was lame when andy warhol was THERE, on account of all the time spent not focused on andy warhol! and i've never seen lost world for more than five minutes, in which time they generally just seem to stand around and not ever remark on the fact that the chick is wearing a bikini and everyone else is not.

i guess you're right abt spy shows and spy movies, i think it's just that their always not playing the infiltration and then extrication bits straight makes the suspense or action more awkward for its unsuspensefulness. but then when are action or suspense shows very much so? (though: the other night i watched part of a monk with a girl and she was all yelping and hiding at the suspense parts! so maybe i am just jaded beyond belief, or at least beyond the reach of low-effort television)

i think the various star treks (well tng i guess - from what i remember of the later ones they at least had variations, like the political-and-insitutional stuff of ds9, to give them -something- beyond action hour in space; well, wait, i guess i take that back, after comparing to other action hours) mostly had extensive narrative universes going for them, insofar as they had them going for them. (insert a bakhtin gloss here if you like, i know you can!) which is interesting when compared to andromeda, since it's a roddenberry leftover: i haven't seen enough to know whether i would say that it had a relatively more elaborated narrative universe (compared to other current syndicated action hours that are lamer) of its own, or if it was more that it was easy to recognize it as a weird deformed variant on the star trek type of universe. (i.e. look at the number of objects of comparison for andromeda, vs. mutant x.)

ugh the 4400 is boring. i don't know what the 'this' is you mean it to be the next generation of. it's got that basic cable emptiness that's like syndicated action hour emptiness, yes. but the stories seem go-nowhere, stretched out for the bare minimum of revelatory payoff, which it seems like you have to be watching for because what else is there to watch for? the characters are more or less distinguished from one another, and the show jumps back and forth between them and occasionally keeps things moving by giving the principals a chance to be onscreen at the same time as some of the other principals (like, the black dude and the mastermind, instead of just the everyday pairing of mastermind and healer kid). but what actually happens to the characters is pretty boring and they then show themselves to be boring as a result. very much in the line of various older big-mystery shows but seemingly only because they needed some nominal gimmick to justify the air time. (esp. recently, think x-files, the pretender - also not very good, and i suppose if someone thinks highly of themselves, not that i've seen it since i was a kid, twin peaks. surely others)

it reminds me a lot of the dead zone in its boringness and lack of motion, they're just constructed out of different dramatic elements (e.g. ensemble cast vs. the three principals or so of dead zone). both purport to be interesting because of the suspense involved in the slow revelation of something that smells vaguely millennarian (?) but the elements of the shows - the stories, events, characters - don't seem prepared to actually confront anything millennium-caliber.

the 4400 angers me because its surprise success last summer helped usa decide not to renew touching evil, which was fucking perfect.