Planet Of The Apes movie series - Classic or Dud

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on Friday i watched the first film and then the third one Escape From The Planet Of The Apes straight after it having never seen it before (Channel4 in their infinite wisdom decided to show the third one straight after the first one on Friday afternoon with the second one to be shown at 3am that night due to its more brutal nature, puh) - but i taped the second one and watched that Saturday morning

anyway, i think the first film is ok - its strength is obviously in the novel concept rather than the execution...still dont you think its rather over-rated? i realise the twist is utterly classic and it made a big impact at the time and its hard to empathise with an early 70s audience a lot of the time (mainly because i'm post Star Wars generation i guess), but the sequels seem to be much less fondly regarded and rightly so cos they're pretty poor its gotta be said. 'Return' is just bizarre in the way it carries on straight after the first and mirrors it in many ways - but its pretty confusing in that no-one bothers to explain WHY the Forbidden Zone has a wall of fire and stupid lightning bolts, or why the apes see the mirage of burning apes when they cross the threshold - the worst part is the underground humans singing choir during their bomb-worshipping sermon...needlessly drawn out, implausible and it sounds awful! the other annoying thing is they do not explain how Zira and Cornelius escape the planet once the bomb is set off, there's too much filming of Brent and Nova riding around aimlessly and there's too much else unexplained like how Taylor ended up in the cage, and how humans lost the ability of speech in the first place...'Escape From' is actually more entertaining than i thought it would be but its also excruciatingly ludicrous as well, altho the paradox plotline is always good in any film really - i havent seen the 2 other sequels in the series but i've heard it plummets even further downhill

did anyone see the animated series or TV series when they were young? was it ever shown in the UK?

stevem (blueski), Sunday, 5 January 2003 13:21 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I remember watching the TV series pretty regularly when it was first on, but I can't remember too much about it now.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 5 January 2003 13:32 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

"this is a maaaaaaaaaadhouse, a maaaaaaaaaadhouse"

Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 5 January 2003 14:50 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

no-one bothers to explain WHY the Forbidden Zone has a wall of fire and stupid lightning bolts, or why the apes see the mirage of burning apes when they cross the threshold

Weren't these just holograms or something similar set up by the remaining degenerate humans to scare the dumb apes and deter them from venturing any further towards their otherwise undefended bunker or whatever it was?

David (David), Sunday, 5 January 2003 14:53 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

the other dud about the films is that 'Stop The Planet Of The Apes, I Want To get Off!' from The Simpsons utterly destroys it in every department

oh but there is Homer in the astronaut episode:

journo: question for the barbecue cheef, dont you think there is an inherent danger in sending ordinary civilians into space?
Homer: the only danger is if they send us to that terrible planet of the apes! wait a minute....statue of liberty....THAT WAS OUR PLANET!'

i conclude that the Tim Burton re-imagining from 2001 is BETTER than the original...i dont suppose they're doing a sequel for that tho eh?

stevem (blueski), Sunday, 5 January 2003 17:01 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

oh come on that tim burton film was dreadful. yeah but none of the 1st bunch were as good as the 1st movie obv, they were just....long episodes of the tv show really.

duane, Sunday, 5 January 2003 20:37 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I have a fondness for the later Planet of the Apes films. The last one is a great plea for inter-species understanding, and even goes so far as to suggest that through mutual tolerance a utopian future is possible.

The animated TV series impressed me when I was younger. I think there is a lot to be said for making the apes a bit more hi-tech rather than just having them live on the ruins of human civilisation.

The Tim Burton film is the worst film I have ever seen.

DV (dirtyvicar), Sunday, 5 January 2003 22:51 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I think there is a lot to be said for making the apes a bit more hi-tech rather than just having them live on the ruins of human civilisation.

Maybe I misunderstood it but in the original films (I've not seen the remake), the technology the apes have isn't copied from humans but reflects their being in an earlier phase of development. They have muskets and things like that which I always thought they'd invented themselves.

David (David), Sunday, 5 January 2003 22:55 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

The part near the ending of the the original Planet of the Apes always bugged me. Having the talking baby doll proves that humans are/were capable of intelligent thought, culture, etc.? Does no one remember Teddy Ruxpin?! It's a talking bear, a toy! It doesn't mean real bears can talk, and so forth...

Nicole (Nicole), Sunday, 5 January 2003 23:04 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Oh yes and though I am a Tim Burton fan his version of Planet of the Apes was an utter RUBFEST.

Nicole (Nicole), Sunday, 5 January 2003 23:06 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I can't remember exactly but the 'high priest' type ape zealots had an answer for things like that - how humans couldn't possibly have done this and that and that you were a heretic if you believed otherwise.

David (David), Sunday, 5 January 2003 23:08 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Oops I should have read your post more carefully. Misunderstood your point.

David (David), Sunday, 5 January 2003 23:11 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

The one with the Forbidden zone is not "Return," it's "Beneath the Planet of the Apes" and it is CLASSIC because it ends with the earth being destroyed, proving it was written by a 12-year-old who aspired to become a Great Author

Conquest of the Planet of the Apes is classic for having been shot on the campus of UC Irvine, but also because it works as satire, probably on purpose

J0hn Darn13ll3 (J0hn Darn13ll3), Sunday, 5 January 2003 23:12 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

TREASURE PLANET OF THE APES!!

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 5 January 2003 23:31 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

In light of Tim Burton's Planet of the Apes and Soderberg's Ocean's 11, I think that Scorcese should do The Posideon Adventure.

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 6 January 2003 00:18 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

i dont think the Tim Burton film was bad as most people seem to think - what am I missing? tell me WHY its so shit...my memory is poor i must admit but Wahlberg was okay, the apes were fantastic especially Tim Roth - all the humans were crap i guess, including Kris Kristofferson but i'm not sure the acting was any worse than in the originals...and neither was the script - perhaps the problem is the new film does not really dive into the philosophy about apes and humans that occurred in the original film(s)?

i also think the new twist was pretty cool, certainly tolerable - and it would be daft to say it ruined the film

stevem (blueski), Monday, 6 January 2003 02:16 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Well it ruins the film in as much as it doesn't make any sense with regards to the rest of the film and exists merely to have a twist like the first one without obviously doing the twist of the first one since that would no longer be a twist.

What is thius nonsense about showing Beneath... at three in the morning. I remember watching it when I was seven on ITV on a Staurday afternoon (after the Wrestling). I was shit scared of it.

Oh yeah.

The explaination in Escape From The Planet Of The Apes as to why the apes reach their ascendancy is pure brilliance. Its all due to a virus which wipes out cats and dogs....(If anyone else can finish this off I'd be most grateful, I cannot type it due to laughing too much).

Pete (Pete), Monday, 6 January 2003 10:19 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Well in battle for the planet of the apes, there is the stuff about domestic animals being wiped out, so humans turn to monkeys/apes as pets, and so just as artifical selection on dogs is accelerated by fashion, so we get the same with monkeys/apes until they become intelligent enough to... ok, i'm laughing too much now.

"Battle" is def the worst though. Can we have a thread on "On the buses" movies now? Did anybody tape "mutiny", please please please

Alan (Alan), Monday, 6 January 2003 10:48 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

the essentially brilliant thing about the original film is how stoner-y it is... all the odd camera angles and OH-MI-GOD-ness of it all. They don't make films like that anymore.

DV (dirtyvicar), Monday, 6 January 2003 11:19 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Not to mention the Jerry Goldsmith score, which is pure 'musique concrete for the kids'.

When the POTA tv show was briefly popular in the UK they re-released the first and third movies on a double bill. At the screening I went to all the kids couldn't stop laughing at Chuck Heston's bare bottom.

Andrew L (Andrew L), Monday, 6 January 2003 11:26 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Well it ruins the film in as much as it doesn't make any sense with regards to the rest of the film and exists merely to have a twist like the first one without obviously doing the twist of the first one since that would no longer be a twist.

well it makes sense in that whats happened - possibly - is that rather than travel back to his Earth, Wahlberg had ended up on the Apes planet far in the future, where Thade used the computer in the room he was trapped in to learn more about human civilisation and then managed to escape he led the apes in advancing further and mimicking the achievements of men on Earth, literally....perhaps this was never the intention of Burton but its plausible in the context of the film. another idea was that Thade had escaped, travelled back in time to Wahlberg's Earth and changed the course of history, perhaps even preventing cro-magnons from emerging leaving apes to evolve to Thade's level but develop the intelligence of humans, consequently developing in exactly the same way apart from the obvious physical differences...scientifically illogical of course but then this IS planet of the apes we're talking about

stevem (blueski), Monday, 6 January 2003 12:25 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

edgard varese for the kids, surely?

old pedant returns (mark s), Monday, 6 January 2003 12:39 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Remember kids, if you put a read-out for "Present Year" on your dashboard your machine will end up travelling in time.

Pete (Pete), Monday, 6 January 2003 13:16 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

curse you flux capacitator!

stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 7 January 2003 10:28 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

don't diss the flux capacitor, please.

g-kit (g-kit), Tuesday, 7 January 2003 11:53 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

well i would if i could remember its proper name

stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 7 January 2003 12:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Conquest of the Planet of the Apes is classic for having been shot on the campus of UC Irvine

And is still legendary around here to this day.

Never have seen any of the films, nothing sparked my interest. I know the catchphrases used in MST3K by heart, though.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 7 January 2003 15:36 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

five years pass...

I watched the original yesterday for the first time ever. Have to say I really enjoyed it, even though I knew how it ended.

Want to watch the sequels but from the sounds of things, I'd probably regret it.

Ant Attack |=| (Ste), Monday, 6 October 2008 08:42 (nine years ago) Permalink

don't be a fule, the sequels are great! the most bizarro franchise in hollywood history, you will not believe your eyes. and they don't get unwatchably dodgy until the 5th film.

my babble about the sequel from The 1970's Science Fiction Movie Poll :

I just watched beneath the planet of the apes the other night. the scene where the ape city army marching through the desert encounters a field of squirming apes crucified upside-down in flames while in the background an enormous statue of the lawgiver begins bleeding from his eyes is like a halfstep from jodorowsky-level wtf.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/edwardiii/beneath-the-planet-of-the-apes.jpg

and I know I've gone on about conquest for the planet of the apes around here somewhere, the prequel that depicts the rise of the apes as a 60s watts-style race riot. o_O

Edward III, Monday, 6 October 2008 14:03 (nine years ago) Permalink

There was one that was set in one shopping preecinct, presumably one of the dodgy sequels.

I see the box set is cheap in HMV right now.

I went for the "likey Lads" one instead.

Mark G, Monday, 6 October 2008 14:05 (nine years ago) Permalink

the second one is hysterically awful, the third one (when the apes come to present day earth?) is great

akm, Monday, 6 October 2008 14:13 (nine years ago) Permalink

for a serious apprec of the race angle, read this:

http://server40136.uk2net.com/~wpower/images/product_images/9780786426638.jpg

Dr Morbius, Monday, 6 October 2008 14:18 (nine years ago) Permalink

I first consumed Beneath the Planet of the Apes as a Marvel comic book, and as that it was classic. Watching the movie was a slight let-down as a kid. But the whole nuclear thing made a big impact on me. I was pretty much obsessed with Planet of the Apes until Star Wars came along.

Pete Scholtes, Tuesday, 7 October 2008 00:04 (nine years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

http://www.populationstatistic.com/images/vegas_zaius.jpg

Dr Morbius, Friday, 6 February 2009 15:42 (nine years ago) Permalink

Nope. Try again.

Mark G, Friday, 6 February 2009 15:53 (nine years ago) Permalink

? is yr browser older than the Sacred Scrolls?

Dr Morbius, Friday, 6 February 2009 15:55 (nine years ago) Permalink

In the last few weeks I've made it all the way to Conquest and had a pretty good time. For some reason I can't yet pull the trigger on Battle.

Dear Tacos, how are you? I am fine. The weather is nice. I miss yo (Oilyrags), Friday, 6 February 2009 15:55 (nine years ago) Permalink

it's pretty uninspired even with the presence of Severn Darden and Paul Williams.

Dr Morbius, Friday, 6 February 2009 15:57 (nine years ago) Permalink

That one was big letdown.

lemmy tristano (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 6 February 2009 17:00 (nine years ago) Permalink

obv Fox cut the budget to the bone, but I liked the school buses.

Dr Morbius, Friday, 6 February 2009 17:01 (nine years ago) Permalink

it's pretty uninspired even with the presence of Severn Darden and Paul Williams.

not to mention john huston and john landis, what a bizarro cast

鬼の手 (Edward III), Friday, 6 February 2009 18:40 (nine years ago) Permalink

Landis?

Dr Morbius, Friday, 6 February 2009 18:45 (nine years ago) Permalink

The Tim Burton film is the worst film I have ever seen.

I don't even remember very much about the film...but ^^^^ this.

It was among the few times in my life when the movie is so bad that you actually come out of the experience semi-angry. I have not seen a new Tim Burton movie since, and possibly never will.

iatee, Friday, 6 February 2009 18:46 (nine years ago) Permalink

c'mon, filmmakers fuck up. He did well turning Sweeney Todd into a horror musical.

Dr Morbius, Friday, 6 February 2009 18:57 (nine years ago) Permalink

yeah but there's a difference between an artistic stumble and a piece of art that's *so* actively bad that you immediately have to really wonder whether or not that person has anything of worth say to the world and whether or not should be making things to begin with...and I remember the remake being one of those.

iatee, Friday, 6 February 2009 19:09 (nine years ago) Permalink

err:

'of worth to say to the world and whether or not they should be'

iatee, Friday, 6 February 2009 19:10 (nine years ago) Permalink

eight months pass...

i've always wondered if the nuclear-bomb cult of mutants and their hymns in beneath the planet of the apes was at least partly the inspiration for the holy hand grenade sketch from monty python and the holy grail

crack?!? wow, maybe they can have china white later! (Eisbaer), Tuesday, 20 October 2009 08:45 (eight years ago) Permalink

seven months pass...

The "Planet of The Apes" series is reportedly getting an origin story with James Franco .

According to Variety, the actor has signed on to star in a prequel to the series.

A mag source said James had a great meeting with director Rupert Wyatt over the weekend about the movie, that will be set in the present day and chronicle how genetic engineering gave the animals intelligence. The actor will reportedly play an important scientist in the midst of the war between man and ape.

The effects team WETA Digital, who wowed moviegoers with their work on "Avatar," will reportedly use photo-realistic apes and not actors in costumes for the movie.

The "Apes" prequel is slated to start filming in July and will hit theaters on June 24, 2011.

velko, Friday, 21 May 2010 23:03 (eight years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

Didn't know about this til Franco interview in NYT (in which he rolled his eyes over it, bet the producers loved that).

Plot basically seems to sort of redo the 4th film in the original series, w/ Andy Serkis Gollumizing Roddy McDowall's Caesar:

http://www.filmjunk.com/2010/06/30/andy-serkis-to-play-caesar-in-rise-of-the-apes/

kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 15:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

'Return' is just bizarre in the way it carries on straight after the first and mirrors it in many ways - but its pretty confusing in that no-one bothers to explain WHY the Forbidden Zone has a wall of fire and stupid lightning bolts, or why the apes see the mirage of burning apes when they cross the threshold - the worst part is the underground humans singing choir during their bomb-worshipping sermon...needlessly drawn out, implausible and it sounds awful!

rong on so many levels

do you get befuddled by jump cuts too

they were over here, now they're over there! WHAT IS HAPPPENING

(e_3) (Edward III), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 16:07 (seven years ago) Permalink

I still haven't seen the R-rated cut of conquest for the planet of the apes that they released last year

need to rectify

(e_3) (Edward III), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 16:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

The score/soundtrack for the original movie is so perfect that I think it elevates the material.

(¬_¬) (Nicole), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 16:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

great score, esp that whole opening desert trek and the hunt sequence.

kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 17:11 (seven years ago) Permalink

morbz your love for planet of the apes is very humanizing, what other secrets are you keeping

(e_3) (Edward III), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 18:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

dogs and children love me

kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 18:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

aw <3

(e_3) (Edward III), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 18:15 (seven years ago) Permalink

seven months pass...

Against my best instincts i think i kinda want to see this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MtqRd9tKLw&feature=player_embedded

Number None, Thursday, 14 April 2011 18:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

Look at the bright side: even if it's terrible it's going to automatically be better than the Burton Apes abortion.

das reboot (latebloomer), Thursday, 14 April 2011 22:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

^^^^ cannot be overstated

'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 14 April 2011 22:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

I keep seeing people on Twitter bitching about the title, but I feel like it pretty much feels like the long and awkward titles of some of the 70s sequels. Its not like Dark of the Moon or something really lame.

'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 14 April 2011 22:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

Haven't seen more than a few minutes of the Burton version, but it was enough

Number None, Thursday, 14 April 2011 23:09 (seven years ago) Permalink

Burton not tHAT bad

otoh, i don't even wanna watch this trailer

your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 14 April 2011 23:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

burton version is incredibly bad and retains almost none of the stuff that was appealing about the original (aside from some great makeup effects)

that teaser was actually better than i expected

cum dude (Princess TamTam), Friday, 15 April 2011 13:07 (seven years ago) Permalink

james franco is gonna make one hell of a scientist

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Friday, 15 April 2011 13:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

I hope this is just like "Deep Blue Sea" only with apes.

Anti-mist K-Lo (Phil D.), Friday, 15 April 2011 13:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

Although apes AND sharks would move this quickly into "Best Picture frontrunner" territory now that I think about it.

Anti-mist K-Lo (Phil D.), Friday, 15 April 2011 13:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

I kept thinking of "Monkey Shines" (which was s'ok).

What are the odds that this movie ends with a shot of an ape perched on the Statue of Liberty? Because, you know ... get it!?!?

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 15 April 2011 14:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

cgi apes look like crap

when that one jumps off the railing at the helicopter it's like oh noes attack of the panda

if u see l ron this weekend be sure & tell him THETAN THETAN THETAN (Edward III), Friday, 15 April 2011 14:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

It also looks like a prequel to "Congo"

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 15 April 2011 15:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

Well, now I want to see it more than ever:

It plays out like an escape movie, says director Rupert Wyatt, as Caesar the chimp leads his fellow imprisoned apes to escape the research facility where they're imprisoned. Caesar enlists the aid of Maurice, an orangutan who knows sign language, and a big bruiser of a chimp named Rocket. It's an "A-Team of apes," says Wyatt.

Anti-mist K-Lo (Phil D.), Friday, 15 April 2011 15:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

Assuming they're playing this for laughs.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 15 April 2011 15:50 (seven years ago) Permalink

wait are we supposed to root for the ape-team or be terrified of them

i can tina turner (elmo argonaut), Friday, 15 April 2011 15:51 (seven years ago) Permalink

Saw the Burton POTA in the theater with friends when it came out and actually had a blast watching it. I've paid good money to see movies that were far more dreadful and dull.

Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 15 April 2011 15:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

visually it was pretty cool! if only the script had been worth a damn.

das reboot (latebloomer), Saturday, 16 April 2011 05:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

Isn't that every Burton movie?

Number None, Saturday, 16 April 2011 12:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

Burton's always been hit or miss but I don't think at that point he had made anything as joyless and uninspired as Planet

das reboot (latebloomer), Saturday, 16 April 2011 13:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

Robert Wyatt directed this new Apes? Oh, wait...

Winky Dinky Dawgz (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 16 April 2011 16:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

Where are the orangutans?

wk, Saturday, 16 April 2011 16:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Watching the original again, was struck by how much of a quisling Cornelius is, for a heretic! Nearly shits himself whenever Dr Zaius is around. If they ever closely remake it they'll probably cast Jesse Eisenberg.

also,

orangutans = WASPS (administer the place, sittin pretty)

chimpanzees = Jews (scientists, liberals, just had an employment "quota" abolished)

gorillas = warriors + menials, exploited classes of color

joyless shithead (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 29 June 2011 17:30 (six years ago) Permalink

I guess those classses resemble the US demographics and segregation mid-20th-century

joyless shithead (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 29 June 2011 17:31 (six years ago) Permalink

I love the original movie series. After the first one, the best is Escape from the Planet of the Apes, followed probably by Conquest, Beneath, then Battle. Battle for the Planet of the Apes is pretty bad but I do love the very ending with the statue.

As a child I loved the tv series too.

The Tim Burton remake was irredeemably terrible.

MrDasher, Wednesday, 29 June 2011 19:02 (six years ago) Permalink

five years pass...

Anyone seen this?

The title of this film translates to something like “the bumbling ones on the plateau of the apes”; indeed the film is but one of many in the 30+ title O TRAPALHAOES saga, which can be taken to mean “pranks”, “shenanigans” or “pratfalls” – in essence, anything that isn’t helping. Starring legendary Brazilian comedians Dedé Santana, Mussum and Didi Mocó, O TRAPALHAO NO PLANALTO DOS MACACOS’ is a surprisingly earnest (and indefatigably goofy) recreation of the original PLANET, wherein a band of idiot heroes end up “liberating” a simian populace that hates them – save for one comely philosopher-queen chimpanzee...

http://www.spectacletheater.com/missing-links/#otrap

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 15 June 2017 16:07 (eleven months ago) Permalink

seven months pass...

The first film premiered in New York 50 years ago today.

Rod Serling's original draft, which featured the Pierre Boulle book's modern ape civilization (and no doubt even more Cold War liberal speechifying), is being adapted for a graphic novel.

http://www.slashfilm.com/rod-serling-planet-of-the-apes-script-graphic-novel/

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 February 2018 17:24 (three months ago) Permalink


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