British Food - Translation, Please...

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So here are the questions that have been gnawing at the recesses of my much maligned gray matter:

Is there a good website that explains some of the British "food" names? Of particular interest ('cause I've read about them somewhere and have no idea what they are, and it's been bugging me ever since) are:

1. Spag Bog
2. Toad in the Hole
3. Bangers and Mash (though I think this is a certain type of sausage and mashed potatoes?)
4. Mixed grill
5. Crap. Now I've lost the other one. Oh well.

And on a slightly-related topic:

1. What is a balaclava?
2. And what is/are pashminas?

Are there any organizations formed that support the translation of English to American to Canadian to Australian and then back again?

Thanks ~ Laura

LCD (Ms Laura), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 04:35 (twenty-three years ago)

The one that gets me is "spotted dick" -- that doesn't sound fit for human consumption.

j.lu (j.lu), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 04:39 (twenty-three years ago)

Spag Bog = Spaghetti Bolognese

Toad in the Hole = a dish with sausages covered in a batter that is not unlike Yorkshire pudding (kind of a doughy dumpling thing)

Bangers and Mash = Sausages and mashed potato

I've never had a mixed grill but I think it's kind of like a cooked breakfast with lots of different meats (e.g. sausages and chops and stuff)

Penny Lane (Penny Lane), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 05:06 (twenty-three years ago)

Also a balaclava is like a woolen hat this is pulled down over your face and has holes cut out for eyes and a mouth. Good for keeping warm but also good for robbing banks and the like.

Penny Lane (Penny Lane), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 05:08 (twenty-three years ago)

Unless I'm mistaken, a pashmina is a large rectangular scarf. Somewhere in size between a regular scarf and a shawl.

Kim (Kim), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 05:13 (twenty-three years ago)

j.lu - yes, that was the other one I was thinking of. Many thanks!

LCD (Ms Laura), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 05:16 (twenty-three years ago)

What are buttery gussets?

American ditz, Wednesday, 15 January 2003 05:19 (twenty-three years ago)

Thanks for all of the definitions - big help on this end. I do, however, have a few more, if y'all don't mind.

1. Are what we in the U.S. call chips (thin slices of potatoes, deep fried until crisp and then seasoned) your "crisps"?
2. And are British "chips" what the U.S. calls french fries? That is, thick(er) wedges of of potatoes, deepfried, and then served with salt, ketchup (in the States) and/or malt vinegar? (And do you have different words for different sizes of chips, such as "shoestring," "home-fries," "Texas-fries," etc?)
3. In the U.S. we have something called "French Toast" - it's sliced bread that is soaked in beaten milk, egg, vanilla, and then pan fried or baked and served with butter and syrup or jam. Is this "eggy bread"?
And in reference to Penny Lane's explanation of "Toad in the Hole" - about Yorkshire Puddings - are these boiled in broth, like dumplings/slickers, or are they cooked in oil? I know that they're somehow associated with Sunday roasts (thanks to a childhood reading of James Herriot, I think).
Many thanks for all of this - I do keep hoping that someone will produce a directory of such things!

LCD (Ms Laura), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 05:24 (twenty-three years ago)

> What are buttery gussets?

Wow, I've never heard of those! I do wonder if the Brits have trouble with U.S. food names, or has the hideous U.S. culture polluted the world so much that everyone knows what we eat?

LCD (Ms Laura), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 05:28 (twenty-three years ago)

botulism is steak and kidney pie

marge (electricsound), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 05:30 (twenty-three years ago)

In response to questions 1 and 2: yes
Not sure about question 3 though.

I think Yorkshire pudding is baked in the oven. You eat it with roast beef.

Oh and spotted dick is actually really nice. It's kind of like Christmas pudding but lighter in colour and probably not quite as much fruit. You eat it with custard.

Penny Lane (Penny Lane), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 05:32 (twenty-three years ago)

There's also a desert called "Frog in the Pond" which is basically a bowl of green jelly with a bit of whipped cream on top and a chocolate frog that sits on the whipped cream.

Penny Lane (Penny Lane), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 05:36 (twenty-three years ago)

Yikes! So what is Christmas pudding? Is it like a fruit cake (a sweet bread batter that has dried and candied fruit added, then is baked, soaked in spirits, and then wrapped a left to age) or is it closer to something like a plum pudding, served with brandy or a hard sauce?

As far as "Frog in the Pond" is concerned, all it makes me think of was that food movement in the U.S. with "jello" molds - everyone added the oddest things - horseradish, mayonnaise, meat, etc. *shuddering* But your description is really cute.

When you say "green jelly," Penny, do you mean Jello/gelatin or jelly like jam (er, jam with seeds removed and clarified) and is it flavored?

Oh, and here's one that's thanks to my S/O - I was raised being served applesauce as a side to pork dishes (roasts, chops, etc.) He (being Canadian) was raised where it was served as a dessert, with a cookie on the side. Is this just his family, or a more wide-spread tradition?

And what are mushy peas? Are they as, um, unappetizing as they sound? (Makes me think of babyfood, from those little jars, with all of the unattractive colors.)

LCD (Ms Laura), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 05:47 (twenty-three years ago)

i'm canadian and apple scauce always went with pork, but then again my dad was english so, it.. might.. awww I don't know.

as for mushy peas, it's what it sounds like, but worse. it depends on the kind you get, but some of the stuff is just unnatural and is this eerie deep green. impossible to find over here (canada) too.

dyson (dyson), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 06:03 (twenty-three years ago)

*laughing* So are the peas from a can? Frozen? Are they mushy when you get them to cook them, or do you make them mushy through the cooking process? Interesing about the applesauce - maybe it was just his oddball family. Thanks.

LCD (Ms Laura), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 06:13 (twenty-three years ago)

Here's the Australian version...

Chips - Often referred to as "hot chips" - hot potato type things, can be crinkle cut, shoe string or normal but no-one ever specifies (except the bags of frozen ones at the supermarket), you just get what you're given. Eaten with tomato sauce and/or white vinegar and often salt too.
ALSO
Chips - Often referred to as "cold chips" or crisps - thin, cold slices of fried potato covered in msg and other flavourings.

Christmas Pudding = Plum Pudding

Jelly - fruit flavoured dessert made with gelatine
but there are also some pure fruit ones that are used like jams or preserves e.g. quince jelly - transparent jelly made from quinces (& lemon for extra pectin?) used like jam.

Stuff that accompanies roasts:

Pork - apple sauce & peas
Lamb - mint sauce/jelly & peas
Beef - mustard or horseradish and beans & pumpkin
Corned Beef - mustard and broad beans

I can't remember which ones have boiled new potatos and which have baked. All have carrots.

toraneko (toraneko), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 06:18 (twenty-three years ago)

French Toast is most definitely "eggy bread" (though we call it French Toast as well). Yum yum.

What are Twinkies?

C J (C J), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 06:23 (twenty-three years ago)

Toraneko - Thanks for the input. But more questions are raised:

What are broad beans? Green beans?
How is the pumpkin (served with beef) cooked?
And the same for the carrots - steamed/baked, whole/sliced, and are they sauced?

And about the cold chips or crisps, what flavorings are typical? Here we have salt; salt and vinegar; bar-b-que (in different styles, such as mesquite and firecracker); sour cream and onion; and then some that are cheese flavored (usually a cheddar cheese). I know that in Canada they have a wider variety (All Dressed = ketchup, mustard, pickles - Pill Pickle - Ketchup, etc.) And is your tomato sauce a thick liquid, very red, made from tomatoes that have been boiled down and then seasonings such as salt and vinegar are added?

On a different note, when I was in Barcelona, a friend ordered a "hamburder" in a restaurant. I expected a patty of ground beef, pan-friend, grilled, or broiled, served on a round bun/roll with items such as leaf lettuce, sliced tomatoes, ketchup, mayonnaise, mustard, and pickles piled on top. What he received was literally "ground ham", on a hard roll. And he had to request both the ketchup and mayonnaise. The waited didn't believe him about wanting both condiments - apparently they are not normally eaten together. I guess it's like some people eating French fries/chips/hot chips dipped in mayonnaise or ketchup or salt and vinegar.

LCD (Ms Laura), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 06:36 (twenty-three years ago)

> What are Twinkies?

Twinkies are a pre-packaged snack food. They consist of a yellow sponge-cake batter that has been shaped like a submarine (oval, long, and flat on the bottom). Once baked, they're filled with a - hmmm - it's supposed to be similar to a stabilized whippied cream filling. However, it tastes like very sweet, sticky, gooey, plastic. There are many preservatives in Twinkies and many jokes about their long shelf-life. However, the manufactures say that they last only a couple of months. Most kids love these things, but at some point out-grow the taste.

Here's an entertaining website all about the little devils. http://www.twinkiesproject.com/

LCD (Ms Laura), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 06:41 (twenty-three years ago)

Er, I'm American and I grew up with applesauce primarily as a dessert-type food. I didn't know about its uses as a condiment until I was older.

Chris P (Chris P), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 06:43 (twenty-three years ago)

Another question, but this time on pronunciation - my S/O pronounces many words that originated in France, "incorrectly". That is "fillet" is pronounced as "fillit" instead of "filay," and so forth. Is this common? I seem to recall hearing such on British cooking shows, but now am questioning my memory.

And on a slightly related subject, is the food prepared on "Two Fat Ladies" reasonably representative of British Home Cooking? Or is Delia Smith closer? Or is Delia Smith like Martha Stewart and widely hated by those who don't have the time and/or money and/or staff to be perfectionists?

And, while thinking about Mushy Peas - one of my favorite food/photographs book is Lilek's "Gallery of Regrettable Food". Basically, he took illustrations from U.S. magazines, cookbooks, advertisements, packaging, etc., all from the 40s, 50s and 60s, and then commented on the appearance - the photography, the colors, the lighting, the arrangements, the people, and so forth. It's a good way to kill an appetite (and it's also an excellent explanation about why Americans are now over-weight, looking at what they were supposed to consume). Here's the book's website http://www.lileks.com/institute/gallery/ And here's a link from the same site about other, um, questionable advertising tactics. http://www.lileks.com/institute/index.html

Oh, to heck with it. Here's the link to the index page - browse to your heart's content: http://www.lileks.com/ It's marvelously retro. Enjoy.

LCD (Ms Laura), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 06:54 (twenty-three years ago)

Chris - I am beginning to think that my family is the abnormal one, at least in regards to applesauce. Of course, we used it on pancakes, waffles, french toast, etc. - my mother was a health-food fanatic, so we didn't get syrup.

And, actually, because she only bought organic foods, it wasn't until I was in Elementary school that I leard most Cheddar cheese is orange - she always got the "un-colored" stuff (and yeah, Twinkies were forbidden, too. So I used to buy them off of friends who had more open-minded parents).

LCD (Ms Laura), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 06:56 (twenty-three years ago)

Beans = green beans, runner beans & snake beans
Broad Beans have no other name that I know of.

Pumpkin with beef = baked.
Carrots always chopped into little, round discs and boiled at home but I've met some that are sliced long-ways and baked since then. They never seen to have cooked properly. No sauce on carrots.

Gravy on meat, potatos & peas.

Cold chips have the good, old flavours: plain, bbq, salt & vinegar & chicken. Now there is also light & tangy, herbs & spice, tasty cheese, chilli, tomato salsa, sour cream & chives and a few others that I don't know.

Tomato sauce - thick red stuff. Looks the same as Campbells tomato soup straight out of the tin. Home made tomato sauce is much nicer and has onion and vinegar and funny little seeds and spices in it - very similar to tomato chutney.

Apple sauce on pancakes & waffles & toast? My god. We used lemon juice & sugar on pancakes, didn't eat waffles - but if we had it would have been with chocolate syrup and icecream.

I've never seen orange cheddar cheese and can't say I want to.

I have never heard fillet said other than how it is spelt - although the dictionary says americans spell it filet and I suppose I might pronouce that as filay, not unlike referring to Target as Tar-zhay.

toraneko (toraneko), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 07:44 (twenty-three years ago)

Pashmina refers to the type of wool rather than to the size of shawl. Its a much abused term but I believe it refers to cashmere woven onto silk.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 08:42 (twenty-three years ago)

Trad british crisp flavours are: Ready Salted, Salt and Vinegar and cheese and onion. Naturally there is a cornucopia of other flavours.

Delia smith is bland and dull as far as cooking goes. She amuses by the dull ways she does 'foreign' food.

The Two fat ladies are exemplary of a very traditional british cookery, but they also do a good deal of continental classics as well. British cookery has never been entirely just that it has always been wide open to foreign influence in a way that french and italian cookery isn't. In my opinion the best british TV chefs at the moment are Hugh Fearnly Whittingstall and Nigel Slater. Both are great exponents of simple home cooking and take great joy from food. Nigella Lawson's recipes are good, especially here baking one but please god don't make me watch her on TV, its excruciating. Look through OFM

Now for some recipes:

Toad in the hole

Preheat Oven to 220C

In a fairly deep roasting tin toss in a little olive oil and some sausages, 3 or more per person, nice big fat Licolnshires or Pork and Apple. Put in the oven. Whilst the sausages are in the oven. Make a batter with 4oz. flour, 1 egg, 1/2 pint(UK) of milk, salt and pepper. That should be enough batter for one tray of toad in the hole.

Make sure the sausages are spread out on the tray then pour in the batter and close the oven door. Cook for about 30 mins but don't open the oven door until the batter has got good and crispy round the edges. Serve with steamed savoy cabbage, Soy Greens, or other winter green veg.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 08:59 (twenty-three years ago)

Mushy peas is the food of the GODS.

SittingPretty (sittingpretty), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 09:45 (twenty-three years ago)

Mushy peas is the food of the GODS.

but only the gods of tastebudlessness.

g-kit (g-kit), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 10:06 (twenty-three years ago)

no, mushy peas are godlike, either with a good dose of vinegar, a dollop of mint sauce or even a lump of butter. I am really really craving them now.

And Ed, for once I agree with you about cooking! Hugh and Nigel are indeed the kings of current British food.

chris (chris), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 10:18 (twenty-three years ago)

I just saw a website that translated Broad Beans as Butter Beans but as far as I am concerned this is totally wrong. I mean they look similar (though broad beans are green and butter beans off-white) and are probably related, but a broad bean is a vegetable whereas a butter bean is a nutty pulse thing.

Broad beans in a pod:
http://www.deliaonline.com/picturelibrary%5Cjpeg150/br/broad-beans.jpg

Mushy peas are a bit of a joke, but done properly they are very good indeed, and not in a 'junky' way. They got revived with the whole rebirth of trad British cookery that went on some time ago.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 10:33 (twenty-three years ago)

Are broad beans lima beans?

Melissa W (Melissa W), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 10:36 (twenty-three years ago)

Pease pudding is the mushy peas of the gods.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 10:37 (twenty-three years ago)

butter beans = garbanzo beans??

chris (chris), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 10:54 (twenty-three years ago)

Castor beans = evil poison making device which will kill all of us.

Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 10:57 (twenty-three years ago)

N. and Ed are spot on. Only godlike when done well.

Ed, I'm english, so I suppose I'm supposed to know, but what the fuck *is* Pease Pudding?

SittingPretty (sittingpretty), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 11:08 (twenty-three years ago)

Erk, that should have read "N. and Chris are spot on". Sorry Chris - too many things going round in a very limited mind.

SittingPretty (sittingpretty), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 11:09 (twenty-three years ago)

Boiled dried split peas mashed into a thick smooth paste (consiostency not dissimilar to apple sauce) to be served with roast/boiled ham. Very nice accompaniment.

I think Ed is being a bit sniffy above about Delia Smith by the way. And if any TV chef was to be representative of British cooking then she probably is (with regards to kind of kitchen, techniques and lack of OTT flamboyance about the relatively simple job of cooking).

Black Pudding = Blood Sausage = Bloody nummy.

Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 11:11 (twenty-three years ago)

Pease pudding and saveloys
What next is the question?
Rich gentlemen have it, boys
In-di-gestion!

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 11:16 (twenty-three years ago)

Delia does have her good moments but she doesn't seem to take the same joy in her food that others do. I use her 80s Complete cookery course as my number one cooking reference, especially useful for getting the timings of roasts right. There's just not the passion, or a lot of the time, the simplicity that I like from cooking

Pease Pudding made from yellow split peas soaked overnight then cooked in ham stock with a little finely chopped onion, celery, carrot, salt and pepper. Cooked till soft, squashed through a sieve, mix in a little butter. Very good with game as well as pork or ham.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 11:25 (twenty-three years ago)

But the seeming lack of joy in the food is what is so English about her. She is not a taster and a tweaker, which might be frustrating to a good cook but perfect for the beginner. Bottom line - her recipes invariably work.

Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 11:28 (twenty-three years ago)

i hate delia's lebensraum-style working surfaces, but only bcz i covet them

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 11:33 (twenty-three years ago)

In my BEER book there is a recipe for ham in GUINNESS, which necessitates that I buy a big HAM on the BONE which I could wield about like a club and then STEW IN GUINNESS!

I love my beer book!

It also has a grebt recipe from 1932 for jugged hare!!!

Sarah (starry), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 11:34 (twenty-three years ago)

True but the best beginners cook book is the winnie the pooh cookbook which generated my love of cooking, perfect for smackrels and morsels and elevenses. Delia come from the very laudable Mrs Beeton school of cookery, hearty effective home cooking, its primarily the joyless way in which she presents it that gets my goat.

The other extreme is Nigella Lawson which is just excruciating to watch, but her recipes are very good.

Ham in guiness, mmmmmmm. Is it rubbed all over in mustard powder first. (after clubbing naturally)

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 11:38 (twenty-three years ago)

Jugged hare smells of poo.
No, really.
(Jugged Hare, Hare cooked in its own blood. And - in Sarah's recipe - beer too).

Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 11:39 (twenty-three years ago)

If you can't see the quiet joy in Delia's cookery then I pity you.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 11:43 (twenty-three years ago)

The proof of the pudding after all is in the eating. (and Delia gets all her wild abandon out going to see Norwich play footie).

Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 11:44 (twenty-three years ago)

fifteen years pass...

At long last, have you left no sense of decency?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWy2M-JW0AIbvIz.jpg

mark s, Saturday, 24 February 2018 11:22 (eight years ago)

Finally, something worse than peas in macaroni cheese.

2018 has to be better (snoball), Saturday, 24 February 2018 11:34 (eight years ago)

now hold on there

mark s, Saturday, 24 February 2018 11:43 (eight years ago)

I like the one that went Asian fusion with it.

Daniel_Rf, Sunday, 25 February 2018 12:56 (eight years ago)

pinch of nom dot com

Le Bateau Ivre, Sunday, 25 February 2018 13:12 (eight years ago)

I often put borlotti beans in pasta dishes, didn't think it was a big deal tbh.

calzino, Sunday, 25 February 2018 13:43 (eight years ago)

borlotti beans good, baked beans bad is i think the thrust of this beef

mark s, Sunday, 25 February 2018 13:48 (eight years ago)

ah

calzino, Sunday, 25 February 2018 13:51 (eight years ago)

OMG Spag Bog

MaresNest, Sunday, 25 February 2018 13:55 (eight years ago)

I've got to admit to mixing baked beans with instant noodles sometimes while quite stoned, but that was a different me many years ago.

calzino, Sunday, 25 February 2018 14:03 (eight years ago)

that sounds bad

mark s, Sunday, 25 February 2018 14:05 (eight years ago)

prioritising lager and weed over food is always bad, but nevertheless I'm reminiscing about happier times!

calzino, Sunday, 25 February 2018 14:14 (eight years ago)

fair

mark s, Sunday, 25 February 2018 14:14 (eight years ago)


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