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― Chris V. (Chris V), Friday, 17 January 2003 19:46 (twenty-three years ago)

So that's the bullet time sequence, eh? I keep hearing about it. This seems like an improvement, I'm willing to bet.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 17 January 2003 19:57 (twenty-three years ago)

you've never seen the matrix, ned?

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 17 January 2003 19:59 (twenty-three years ago)

I've never seen the film either. I was tempted by the trailer, but Andrew L told me that having seen that I had seen all that was worth seeing. His flatmate said it was the worst thing he'd ever seen.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 17 January 2003 20:08 (twenty-three years ago)

KITTY TIME!

― Curtis Stephens, Friday, 17 January 2003 20:41 (twenty-three years ago)

you've never seen the matrix, ned?

I just knew somebody would say that. I have gone on about this ad infinitum on other threads. Basically, it all falls down given that I'm supposed to accept this: Keanu Reeves, action hero. No, no, and no again.

I've never seen the film either.

Martin is my noble ally on this matter.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 17 January 2003 21:09 (twenty-three years ago)

but you've seen so many films that are infinitely crapper?

[n.b. I do not like/condone this film]

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 17 January 2003 21:12 (twenty-three years ago)

fark-related anything = not that interesting!

― Aaron A., Friday, 17 January 2003 21:15 (twenty-three years ago)

What is interesting?

― Ally C (Ally C), Friday, 17 January 2003 21:20 (twenty-three years ago)

but you've seen so many films that are infinitely crapper?

The vagaries of taste are strange. ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 17 January 2003 21:28 (twenty-three years ago)

Ned refusing to see the Matrix is like an alcoholic drinking water with his dinner.

― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 17 January 2003 21:37 (twenty-three years ago)

I have no problem with Keanu - in fact I want to see everything he is in. This is sex rather than aesthetics. To end the Ned-Martin alliance, I will add that I'd be considerably keener to watch the Matrix than any of the LOTR films.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 17 January 2003 22:01 (twenty-three years ago)

The Matrix is overrated. It's not "the most overrated movie ever," though, which my brother says it is, it's just kind of dull. Mild sex appeal yes, very little else.

― Maria (Maria), Friday, 17 January 2003 22:02 (twenty-three years ago)

The first time I saw it, I thought it was very original and thought-provoking.

The second time I saw it, I didn't think it was as original, but it was still thought-provoking.

The third time I saw it, it was still thought-provoking, not so much in the "ooh look at this grand philosophy" sense as much as the "wow, look at how the screenwriters tried to be all mythic and iconic" sense.

At the end of the day, the special effects are rad enough to gloss over any plot quibbles that have revealed themselves upon subsequent viewings (one person I know deeply rejected the film on the basis that it endorsed killing innocent people if they get in your way; my reasoned, considered response was "FUCK OFF YOU PUSSY").

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 17 January 2003 22:07 (twenty-three years ago)

I've never seen the movie either. But I knew exactly what the above animation was referencing. Is that good or bad?

― donut bitch (donut), Friday, 17 January 2003 22:17 (twenty-three years ago)

I've never seen it either. My major qualm is the same as Ned's.

― Amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 17 January 2003 22:18 (twenty-three years ago)

NEXT YR GONNA CLAIM U NEVAH SAW POINT BREAK!!!!!!

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 17 January 2003 22:22 (twenty-three years ago)

I'd like to think *nobody* ever saw that film.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 17 January 2003 23:27 (twenty-three years ago)

Ned refusing to see the Matrix is like an alcoholic drinking water with his dinner.

*befuddled*

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 17 January 2003 23:27 (twenty-three years ago)

Point Break was a pretty good film, I thought. But Keanu's casting there was inspired. Is he supposed to be endearing himself to surf-punk felons in The Matrix?

Anyways: The Matrix came out while I was in school, and there was no first-run movie theater nearby. By the time I came back to Chicago, everyone had seen it (so, no one to go with), and it was sort of passe anyhow. Anyways, I had read that the film "quotes" Baudrillard, which was enough to keep me far away. I don't like Baudrillard at all, and I imagine I'd like a film that cites him even less. I'd like to think, besides, that my not having seen the film is a small gesture of independence from the monoculture.

― Amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 17 January 2003 23:31 (twenty-three years ago)

I've never seen the movie either. But I knew exactly what the above animation was referencing. Is that good or bad?

Well, the original sequence has been parodied and excerpted often enough. (I also haven't seen it, and have no intention to do so.)

― j.lu (j.lu), Saturday, 18 January 2003 01:33 (twenty-three years ago)

Ned, that is totally bogus. Don't be a dickweed. Come over to my house and we can watch it. It's possibly my best movie since I cut my hair. But did you see the Gift. I was totally awesome as a psycho in that. The Watcher was ass though.

p.s. we should be together too

― Ted "Theodore" Logan (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 18 January 2003 01:38 (twenty-three years ago)

j.lu, I think d.b. is talking about the "Every time you masturbate" picture.

― Curtis Stephens, Saturday, 18 January 2003 02:36 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh, that's also been parodied and referenced to death.

― j.lu (j.lu), Saturday, 18 January 2003 04:15 (twenty-three years ago)

I fear the designs of Ted will not be accomplished as desired.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 18 January 2003 04:18 (twenty-three years ago)

The Matrix is a fantastic movie, especially how Keanu always seems bored and unphased by the completely fantastical things going on around him. Also, it's romantic, so says JImmy Fallon.

BUT IT IS NOT BILL AND TED FUCKERS.

― Ally (mlescaut), Saturday, 18 January 2003 04:22 (twenty-three years ago)

especially how Keanu always seems bored and unphased by the completely fantastical things going on around him

I suspect this is not him showing an acting gift.

BUT IT IS NOT BILL AND TED FUCKERS.

So whatever happened to Alex Winter anyway?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 18 January 2003 04:28 (twenty-three years ago)

Good point.

― Kim (Kim), Saturday, 18 January 2003 04:31 (twenty-three years ago)

Did you ever wonder what the title of Bill and Ted 3 would have been? I mean, after 'Excellent Adventure' and 'Bogus Journey' there's not much left is there? "Bill and Ted's Most Indifferent Excursion"?

― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Saturday, 18 January 2003 04:36 (twenty-three years ago)

Maybe they could resurrect the original "B & T Go To Hell" title...

Always thought that Reeves was pretty good in My Own Private Idaho, but he just mugs his way through the action movies like a disinterested Bruce Willis.

Didn't mind The Matrix that much and hell, I'll go see the sequel, but it's all pretty much PKD-by-numbers. A better version of Total Recall if you will...

But then again, I'm probably the only person that's looking forward more to Kill Bill than anything else.

― Chris Barrus (xibalba), Saturday, 18 January 2003 04:54 (twenty-three years ago)

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