how much do you think about your physical appearance?

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I've been realizing how much of my time is consumed by this. I literally can't leave the house if my hair is not straightened and perfectly shiny, if my makeup is not done properly, if I can't find clothes that look just right...
And I always think about what others must think when they look at me. I know people tend to associate fatness with laziness and/or not taking care of oneself, so I want to do everything I can to make it look like I *absolutely* care about what I look like when I go out.

But it also causes a certain paralysis, because I feel too tired to go through that ritual of preparing myself to go out on a daily basis. So I don't go out much because so much work goes into it.

Also I am constantly worried about exactly what people thought of me based on my physical experience. I imagine all the thoughts that would go through their head upon seeing me. I also hate meeting people that I really like (especially guys) or want to impress. I feel like it's an automatically hopeless situation, and that no matter what I do I will make a bad impression just by looking the way I do. (As an aside, ever since I met Jonny Greenwood last August, I've become a bit obsessed with what his immediate impressions of me were, and whether I'm known as that "fat, stuttering, pale American girl that I met in Salamanca" in his head. Not that I'm inclined to think he is shallow and disliked me for it, but it is hard to control one's own thoughts).

And it's not even just something I'm falsely perceiving. I know that people imbue me with certain personal qualities upon meeting me that seem to have much to do with my weight.

And also, I know I do the exact same thing. It's hard not to judge people by their physical appearances sometimes.

But anyway, back to the point of the thread. I feel like I think about this too frequently, to the point where it's completely stopping my life in its tracks (though there are other things contributing to this state).

I guess the problem is that I am beginning to feel like I AM my appearance, and that that is all there is to me. So as long as I look like this, I will hate myself.
But at the same time, I feel like this is absolutely NOT me, and that it can't possibly be me, and that someday the evil witch will lift the spell and I will become my true self.

How much do you think about it? How much does it affect your life and how you think about yourself?

Melissa W (Melissa W), Saturday, 18 January 2003 12:29 (twenty-three years ago)

For me, I think about it as little as possible. It has been clear to me for a very long time that looking good is well beyond my abilities, so I settle for clean, clean-shaven and not doing anything that makes me worse.

What you say worries me. As you clearly know, it does sound as if it is becoming too much of an obsession. People do make judgements based on appearance, but I think people generally do adjust them depending on all the other facts and factors. Obviously those of us here who haven't met you, including me, have a very strong, extremely positive impression of you that really doesn't significantly include your build. (The couple of photos I've seen made you look gorgeous, and didn't give the impression of a fat person.) Obviously impressions are revised when you meet someone, but it sounds to me as if you are putting rather more weight on appearances than most people who matter to you are likely to. What I mean by that is that while strangers on the street have only your appearance to go on, friends and people you know will gather more and more information, and appearance becomes correspondingly less important. Of the ILXers I know in person, the visual/sexual/aesthetic appeal varies pretty widely, but I haven't got the impression that I'm ignored and neglected at gatherings because I'm twenty years older and a twentieth as cute as someone else.

This almost sounds as if I'm saying that people don't judge others by their appearance. Of course I don't mean that, but I do think that it doesn't play such a big part.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 18 January 2003 13:01 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm obsessed with mine. The worst thing is that the obsession used to be a pleasurable thing because I pretty much liked my appearance. But as I'm getting older and seedier I'm more and more repulsed by what I see when I glance in the mirror. I have always spent far too much time worrying about how I'm perceived by others. Maybe there will come a point where I'll just give up the fight and accept being a broken down old shell of my former 'self'. I envy those who are relaxed/accepting about being unattractive.

David (David), Saturday, 18 January 2003 13:07 (twenty-three years ago)

Well, uhm, I take careful consideration to see what colour schemes look good on me clothing-wise, but that's about as far as it goes. I know how people will look at me, anyway- as the terribly pale, awfully weird-looking yet oddly attractive skinny German boy (the "oddly attractive" part might be a bit off- I mean, I know I'm a sex god and all, but I don't think ppl are attentive enough to notice that- but who cares? Denial iz r0x0r!)

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Saturday, 18 January 2003 13:20 (twenty-three years ago)

sometimes i cause myself significant psychological pain trying to imagine how look from another's perspective.

mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Saturday, 18 January 2003 13:38 (twenty-three years ago)

I think about it more than the average person, but then I see an average person and think 'You should really take more care over your appearance'. I'm content with how I look/dress but I'm concerned about a time when I'll turn into my dad and can imagine spending thousands in an attempt to not do.

Ian SPACK (Ian SPACK), Saturday, 18 January 2003 14:01 (twenty-three years ago)

I try hard not to think about my appearance, because I don't like it. I deliberately avoid looking in mirrors as much as I can, and I've refused to weigh myself since I was a teenager in case I start obsessing about my weight again.

caitlin (caitlin), Saturday, 18 January 2003 14:03 (twenty-three years ago)

I wonder about my personal appearance. I think my posture and demeanor have more to do with the way people approach me than other attributes - and of course the fact that I'm white and male. People I've never met ask me for directions in cities I'm just visiting - people ask me for advice in stores where I don't work. I'm also universally regarded as an easy mark by beggars, which is not fun. I don't know what it is, really, and I joke about it when it happens, but I'm mystified.

Tom Millar (Millar), Saturday, 18 January 2003 14:14 (twenty-three years ago)

Nah I just worry about my personality

Keith McD (Keith McD), Saturday, 18 January 2003 15:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't worry abt how i look. I never comb my hair and er...don't actually spend that much time shaving so I do look badly shaven, etc.

I do think abt what i say when i meet someone. I do look back on meetings with ppl and often think: ''shouldn't have said that''. but i do put these things out of my mind pretty quickly.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 18 January 2003 15:27 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm extremely vain. And I associate looking decent with self-worth far more than I should. But hopfully the fact that I'm aware of the fact, and that I'm too lazy to get obsessive about anything, means I don't really have much to worry about.

Mark C (Mark C), Saturday, 18 January 2003 15:39 (twenty-three years ago)

melissa you are obviously not alone in being a tad obsessed about your personal appearance, we all think about how we look and are perceived by others whether or not we like what we have to work with. what is worrying is that you say it could be something that prevents you from leaving the house.
there is little you can do about what people will think of you on first sight, none of us are in control of that and even the most 'attractive' people can be judged negatively by others for various reaons. try to focus on the fact that it doesnt signify what the 'person on the street' thinks of you, what is important is that you are valued by the people you know for being You.

donna (donna), Saturday, 18 January 2003 18:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I know what you mean about thinking it's not you and the witch will lift the spell, it surprises me all the time when I look in the mirror. Once I put a big scarf over the mirror in my room for a few months and only saw my reflection when I was brushing my teeth or something. It might help you stop obsessing if you covered up some mirrors just so you wouldn't be reminded to think about it as much.

Maria (Maria), Saturday, 18 January 2003 18:33 (twenty-three years ago)

a few months ago i probably would have answered this with something along the lines of "i think about my physical appearance but i'm not too bothered by the fact that i don't rate very highly in the looks department, and don't really obssess over it".

but, over the last few months, i've become *very* aware and self-concious about the way i look.

i suppose it does have an effect on my life, becuase it makes an impact on how i interact with people and makes me stop doing things i want to do. also, just *thinking* about how awful i look depresses me. it also impacts on everything else too- how i carry myself, my mood etc. i don't know why this has become so *central* to everything for me recently. i just can't believe i'm going through this whole thing again, because i thought that the whole "feeling awkward and self concious all the time" part of my life was over, and i was *finally* feeling confident and good about myself (or at least i wasn't obsessing to the point that i used to obsess).

i'm hoping it's just a phase though - and i'll go back to my old self soon.

for what it's worth Melissa, from the pictures you've posted, i think you are totally gorgeous.

sand.y, Saturday, 18 January 2003 19:24 (twenty-three years ago)

I think it's naive to think people aren't judging you on physical appearance. I mean I'm not suggesting that that's all there is to a person, and your percepion of who they are ends at the physical. But it's the first thing you learn about someone, and it (can) inform everything you think and feel about them. Is this unfair? Sure. And maybe some people are immune to it, or let appearance inform their thoughts more or less than others. But appearance is a fact of life, there's no getting around it. I think it's right to think, Oh people are going to judge me by the way I look, therefore I should take some care with my appearance; on the other hand you shouldn't let it obsess you or paralyze your behavior.

Sean (Sean), Saturday, 18 January 2003 19:25 (twenty-three years ago)

what keith McD said

erik, Saturday, 18 January 2003 19:57 (twenty-three years ago)

what Tom Millar said.

gabbneb, Saturday, 18 January 2003 20:29 (twenty-three years ago)

What Sean said.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Saturday, 18 January 2003 20:30 (twenty-three years ago)

I guess the problem is that I am beginning to feel like I AM my appearance, and that that is all there is to me. So as long as I look like this, I will hate myself.
But at the same time, I feel like this is absolutely NOT me, and that it can't possibly be me, and that someday the evil witch will lift the spell and I will become my true self.

Sometimes its what you cant_see is what is turning people off. No matter how good you look if you radiate the vibe and have that look in your eye of I totally hate myself and how I look-this isn't me. Break the spell and show your ture self Melissa!!- I think your attractive and your posts are interesting and funny. Be yourself and be happy...

brg30 (brg30), Saturday, 18 January 2003 21:21 (twenty-three years ago)

And it's not even just something I'm falsely perceiving. I know that people imbue me with certain personal qualities upon meeting me that seem to have much to do with my weight.

It is always that "first impression" that is scary. With people that have some knowledge of you, there's nowt to be scared of; we always think that strangers whip out their magnifying glass to judge our appearance.

Personality matters more than looks, and from what I've read, you have that in spades.

Oh, and sometimes, I'd rather not look at myself in the mirror, either. (I'm not large, at all.) There is no magic wand that says thin people have an easier time.

I'm worried for you, too. Shutting yourself in the house is not a solution. I'm sure you know this already, but concentrate on finding hobbies you love; your looks will then be the last thing you focus on.

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Saturday, 18 January 2003 21:49 (twenty-three years ago)

two years pass...
...

cozen (Cozen), Monday, 12 December 2005 09:33 (twenty years ago)

Lately? All the time. Never had a weight problem EVER. Hit me 30s... BAM metabolism went south, hello big belly and arse.

Trayce (trayce), Monday, 12 December 2005 09:36 (twenty years ago)

The term "marmalade", originally meaning a quince jam, derives from the Portuguese word for this fruit marmelo. The fruit, like so many others, can be used to make a type of wine. In Spain, the quince or "membrillo" as it is called, is cooked into a paste-like jelly and is eaten with cheese.

RJG (RJG), Monday, 12 December 2005 10:06 (twenty years ago)

I stand corrected!!

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as per

-- cozen (skiplevel...) (webmail), Yesterday 11:52 PM. (Cozen) (later) (link)

Adventurese at the cheese shop

cozen (Cozen), Monday, 12 December 2005 10:17 (twenty years ago)

I wasn't correcting you!

RJG (RJG), Monday, 12 December 2005 10:19 (twenty years ago)

oh I know! corrected by the truth!

I still maintain tht colloquially it's known as, or called, quince

but, yup, it's actual name is quince paste or jelly

cozen (Cozen), Monday, 12 December 2005 10:31 (twenty years ago)

Yes, but where do you stand on the crucial divisive DAMSON PICKLE issue.

TERRORDEATHCHEESE, oh my, that was good.

As regards the appearance issue, I've packed my mirror. It's been the best few days ever as I don't give a damn about my appearance and have an excuse not to. Perhaps I will just not unpack it in the new house and see if my self esteem improves.

Control your ponies, children! (kate), Monday, 12 December 2005 11:43 (twenty years ago)

I have NO idea what looks good on me and what doesn't. I only know to wear my hair in a certain way because I've been TOLD that's the way to wear it, and being a bloke, once you've got the haircut you don't really have much to do. My much-mocked brown-clothes-wearing is because I KNOW that autumn colours work on me, so I wear those. I always end up looking okay, but it's through knowing what looks good, rather than feeling it, if that makes sense.

As for all the bits of me I don't like (odd teeth, freckles, pot-marked hands) I can't really do much about, so I don't worry about them. The only thing I DO worry about that I can't really effect is my grating voice, but I'm learning to accept that hey, this is my voice, live with it.

And damson pickle/jam is amazing - my mum used to make that using all the damsons that grow round Aston Tirrold. It was immense on toast, if memory serves.

Come Back Johnny B (Johnney B), Monday, 12 December 2005 12:22 (twenty years ago)

you're a bloke???

RJG (RJG), Monday, 12 December 2005 12:35 (twenty years ago)

People named John usually are!

Control your ponies, children! (kate), Monday, 12 December 2005 13:05 (twenty years ago)


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